Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers Association (SFWA) - Nerds protecting nonces

[Table Country]

That's all very well, but what about that scene where Martin goes into great detail about exactly how messily and frequently Daenerys shits herself and how stinky all her big fat shits are?

When you put it like that I think I'd rather just watch the show. Even up to the terrible ending.

 

[Wikipedia]

Why are sci-fi writers deranged. It's such a good genre, and yet we have people like Anita Sarkeesian and geek feminist movement ruing what's good about science fiction in the first place. It's escapism which can or cannot convey a message. It's a genre in which you can find alien transformation smut full of hyper sexy android babes and ultra masculine strong men which 26 pack abs strong enough to sharpen a blade on. Or contemplate what it means to be a person, or what makes us animals. And yet we have pedos, sociopath's, and political activist hijacking a amazing thing and perverting it into a weapon and cover for their real motive.


It makes me want to pick up my pen and write a thousand pages and prove why they deserve to be barred from inclusivity.

 

[Loose Goose]

A venue for escapism inevitably becomes an attractive place for people who want to escape from the real world to live out their sick fantasies and weird ideologies. It is like flies drawn to a jar of honey. Scientology started in SF fandom, furries started in fantasy fandom, troons are a transhumanist idea that is heavily connected to fandom, and you can see from the thread how pervs of various kinds found a place in it going way back to the golden age era. There is a reason SF/fantasy was looked down upon as skeevy by the normies.

Lots of normal people are drawn to SF/fantasy, but the weirdoes were always there, they were always numerous, and there are good reason why that is. You have to carry that canister of bug spray with you when you venture into this territory.

 

[FuckedUpDeer]

Why are sci-fi writers deranged. It's such a good genre, and yet we have people like Anita Sarkeesian and geek feminist movement ruing what's good about science fiction in the first place. It's escapism which can or cannot convey a message. It's a genre in which you can find alien transformation smut full of hyper sexy android babes and ultra masculine strong men which 26 pack abs strong enough to sharpen a blade on. Or contemplate what it means to be a person, or what makes us animals. And yet we have pedos, sociopath's, and political activist hijacking a amazing thing and perverting it into a weapon and cover for their real motive.


It makes me want to pick up my pen and write a thousand pages and prove why they deserve to be barred from inclusivity.

Because anybody interested in writing/discussing sci-fi (fiction in general) has higher likelihood of being a massive autistic faggot that scorns social norms. There's a reason dorks got bullied in school.

 

[Henri Barbusse]

Sarah Monette/Katherine Addison is a writer and member of the SFWA. I have no idea what her books are like, but I do know that she had what can be considered a strong contender for the worst take on Tolkien:

What I do believe is that Tolkien's chosen ending allows him [...] to circumvent and elide the reality of thousands of men of his generation, [...] men who actually have to live with the unredeemable pain and sometimes humiliation of having survived World War I.

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[RA-5C Vigilante]

Sarah Monette/Katherine Addison is a writer and member of the SFWA. I have no idea what her books are like, but I do know that she had what can be considered a strong contender for the worst take on Tolkien:



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You know for someone part of a writing association, she seems unable to read between the lines. Or maybe reading period.

 

[Mellorine]

Sarah Monette/Katherine Addison is a writer and member of the SFWA. I have no idea what her books are like

Rapey. If memory serves, Melusine starts with a description of a sorceress making a gay man her sex slave and how it completely destroyed his psyche, and then the plot hinges on copious male-on-male rape. I never finished the first book, but there's a bunch of 'em.

Edited to add: She also co-wrote another rapetastic man-on-man series with Elizabeth Bear, the fat second wife of Scott Lynch of Locke Lamora fame, who has been accused of treating the third party in their dumb poly thing poorly, idk. The series had some kind of Pern-esque gimmick along the lines of "we soulbond with our direwolves and when the wolves fuck, we are bidden to fuck" or whatever. I remember it being pushed as serious grimdark-ish fantasy when it came out, but I don't think even the fujoshi segment of lit-fantasy fandom ever cared, and they were the only ones who could have been reasonably expected to read it.

 

[Illumithotty]

More of a fantasy writer but she was a SFWA grandmaster so it counts. But Anne McCaffrey. Insanely litigious when it comes to fan projects, but also a lunatic that thinks you can rape the gay in.

Anal sex makes you gay.

A: The situation will arise where two males will enagage in sexual activity. Greenriders, have to be homosexual.

Q: Some fandom Weyrs choose to seperate sexual tendencies and flight related sex experiences...

A: Let me stop you right there, there is no seperation. Two men engaging in sexual activity with one another are gay. The dragons choose based on their own drives.

Q: *audible pause* *sounds of paper rustling* But, uh, some people say one experience, especially under the control of outside forces dosen't really make you *emphasis* gay.

A: It's not a matter of the rider *emphasis* becoming homosexual. Green and blue dragons choose people who are already homosexual. And even if circumstances arose, and a green dragon chose a heterosexual lifemate... Well, he would become homosexual. It's a proven fact that a single anal sex experience causes one to be homosexual. The hormones released by a sexual situation involving the anus being broached, are the same hormones found in large quantities in effeminate homosexual males. For example, when I was much younger I knew a young man who was for all intents and purposes, heterosexual. He was mugged, and involved in a rape situation involving a tent peg. This one event was enough to have him start on a road that eventually led to him becoming effeminate and gay.

 

[Wikipedia]

A venue for escapism inevitably becomes an attractive place for people who want to escape from the real world to live out their sick fantasies and weird ideologies. It is like flies drawn to a jar of honey. Scientology started in SF fandom, furries started in fantasy fandom, troons are a transhumanist idea that is heavily connected to fandom, and you can see from the thread how pervs of various kinds found a place in it going way back to the golden age era. There is a reason SF/fantasy was looked down upon as skeevy by the normies.

Lots of normal people are drawn to SF/fantasy, but the weirdoes were always there, they were always numerous, and there are good reason why that is. You have to carry that canister of bug spray with you when you venture into this territory.

I am on some level ok with people wanting to playing out their weird fantasy's. In some way that is what sci-fi is for. That being said pedophilia and beastiality is the point where I draw a line. For troons they simply forgot where the line between fantasy and reality is, which is why they're delusional sickos who think cutting off their dick will give them a vagina.

 

[Henri Barbusse]

More of a fantasy writer but she was a SFWA grandmaster so it counts. But Anne McCaffrey. Insanely litigious when it comes to fan projects, but also a lunatic that thinks you can rape the gay in.

Anal sex makes you gay.

The tent peg statement is an absolute classic that never fails to make me laugh.

And she is technically a sci-fi writer, since the world where her dragon stories take place was colonized by semi-luddites who wanted to let all their advanced technology break down in a generation or two, but were forced to genetically engineer dragons from a native lizard species to survive on it.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Why are sci-fi writers deranged. It's such a good genre, and yet we have people like Anita Sarkeesian and geek feminist movement ruing what's good about science fiction in the first place. It's escapism which can or cannot convey a message. It's a genre in which you can find alien transformation smut full of hyper sexy android babes and ultra masculine strong men which 26 pack abs strong enough to sharpen a blade on. Or contemplate what it means to be a person, or what makes us animals. And yet we have pedos, sociopath's, and political activist hijacking a amazing thing and perverting it into a weapon and cover for their real motive.


It makes me want to pick up my pen and write a thousand pages and prove why they deserve to be barred from inclusivity.

Because it got co-opted by commies, "free love" faggots, and child molestors early on.

Asimov had a thing for enema porn.

 

[Goblin9]

He wasn't bankrolled by his mother post-childhood, since she was insane and his marriage was very short-lived and didn't involve any bankrolling either given that his letters note that it took six months of him living in New York before he could afford a stove. Plus Lovecraft actually had to sell his work, since sci-fi and horror publishing in his time wasn't exactly a profitable business and couldn't afford charity cases.

Early SF was extremely gate kept. There's no way he wasn't into sketchy stuff if they were willing to let him into their inner circle.

Why are sci-fi writers deranged. It's such a good genre, and yet we have people like Anita Sarkeesian and geek feminist movement ruing what's good about science fiction in the first place. It's escapism which can or cannot convey a message. It's a genre in which you can find alien transformation smut full of hyper sexy android babes and ultra masculine strong men which 26 pack abs strong enough to sharpen a blade on. Or contemplate what it means to be a person, or what makes us animals. And yet we have pedos, sociopath's, and political activist hijacking a amazing thing and perverting it into a weapon and cover for their real motive.


It makes me want to pick up my pen and write a thousand pages and prove why they deserve to be barred from inclusivity.

Anita is irrelevant, she's not ruined anything but her own vagina. People who question "what is it that makes us animals" are often trying to justify bestiality. Pondering the human condition with friends over a beer is normal. Investing hundreds of hours writing a book and then getting it to print means there's an underlying motive beyond "I want to write a book about being a dinosaur rraahhh!!"

A venue for escapism inevitably becomes an attractive place for people who want to escape from the real world to live out their sick fantasies and weird ideologies. It is like flies drawn to a jar of honey. Scientology started in SF fandom, furries started in fantasy fandom, troons are a transhumanist idea that is heavily connected to fandom, and you can see from the thread how pervs of various kinds found a place in it going way back to the golden age era. There is a reason SF/fantasy was looked down upon as skeevy by the normies.

Lots of normal people are drawn to SF/fantasy, but the weirdoes were always there, they were always numerous, and there are good reason why that is. You have to carry that canister of bug spray with you when you venture into this territory.

I'm going to argue that normal people aren't drawn to fantasy or any kind. They have little interest in either genre as a genre. Movies in the genre do well because they're exciting action movies like Terminator 2 or Star wars. But what we consider the peak of sci fi today didn't have any normie acceptance. Like Game of thrones fans aren't reading the books and the books were unknown outside of DnD players.

Because it got co-opted by commies, "free love" faggots, and child molestors early on.

Asimov had a thing for enema porn.

They were probably the founders.

Maybe a bit off topic but a good use for the thread would be to promote alternative authors to these people. They're all degenerate scum and have so much marketing they're going to be as popular as any sci fi author can be. I would personally like to avoid reading any of their kiddy fiddling garbage so any based author recommendations would be nice.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

What's the story on the guy behind File 770? I know he's a fat, retired IRS agent who has won about 300 Hugos for regurgitating links, but that's about it. And that Larry Correia hates him, of course.

 

[Not A Skinwalker]

Early SF was extremely gate kept. There's no way he wasn't into sketchy stuff if they were willing to let him into their inner circle.

I doubt it; Sci fi/Fantasy prior to the war was comparatively free wheeling. and the people Lovecraft associated with like Howard and Derleth were not really associated with groups like the Berkeley circle that would ultimately be characterized by association with Walter Breen and Zimmer Bradley

 

[Argos]

What's the story on the guy behind File 770? I know he's a fat, retired IRS agent who has won about 300 Hugos for regurgitating links, but that's about it. And that Larry Correia hates him, of course.

There isn't one. He was doing File 770 back in the days of hardcopies and snailmail, and later moved it onto the web.

 

[Smoke Manmuscle]

What's the story on the guy behind File 770? I know he's a fat, retired IRS agent who has won about 300 Hugos for regurgitating links, but that's about it. And that Larry Correia hates him, of course.

Mike Glyer AKA China Mike built file 770 as a sci-fi/fantasy fan magazine for years. He used its alleged popularity as a bully pulpit to push around authors with wrongthink. After getting called out in about this he accidentally revealed that 70 percent of his page views come from Chinese bot farms. For all of this he has WON 40+ Hugo awards both for best fan magazine author and best fan magazine. Lately, after magnanimously stating he will not accept any more nominations he instead plugs a slate of writers who post on his site. Because slates are ok as long as those evil doubleplusungood puppies aren’t involved.

 

[Not A Skinwalker]

Mike Glyer AKA China Mike built file 770 as a sci-fi/fantasy fan magazine for years. He used its alleged popularity as a bully pulpit to push around authors with wrongthink. After getting called out in about this he accidentally revealed that 70 percent of his page views come from Chinese bot farms. For all of this he has WON 40+ Hugo awards both for best fan magazine author and best fan magazine. Lately, after magnanimously stating he will not accept any more nominations he instead plugs a slate of writers who post on his site. Because slates are ok as long as those evil doubleplusungood puppies aren’t involved.

What's more pathetic? a games journalist or a scifi journalist

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

Sarah Monette/Katherine Addison is a writer and member of the SFWA. I have no idea what her books are like, but I do know that she had what can be considered a strong contender for the worst take on Tolkien:

"What I do believe is that Tolkien's chosen ending allows him [...] to circumvent and elide the reality of thousands of men of his generation, [...] men who actually have to live with the unredeemable pain and sometimes humiliation of having survived World War I."

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I don't think she's saying that men who lived through the first world war should be ashamed that they did so. I think what she's putting forth is that those men did feel shame for living when so many other men and boys (who inevitably became noblier and grander in death, than they truly were in life) did die. I think we as people have a rose tinted view of loved ones, especially when they're no longer around to tarnish that image. And her point is that Tolkien's sending Frodo away is a cop out instead of facing survivor's remorse. I don't think that's what Tolkien was doing with Frodo. And I am trying to take this woman's words in the best light.

Her over arching point is that epics are binary in essence. As she points out "Epic heroes (in the literary sense of "epic," Beowulf, The Iliad, etc.) do not survive battles to live crippled or maimed. They die on the battle-field or they survive in triumph." I think she is wrong in this regard, especially in relation to the Iliad (Achilles may not be physically maimed, but he is mentally.) And that as Lord of the Rings is an epic, it conforms to this established "trope" she has constructed.

 

[Henri Barbusse]

I doubt it; Sci fi/Fantasy prior to the war was comparatively free wheeling. and the people Lovecraft associated with like Howard and Derleth were not really associated with groups like the Berkeley circle that would ultimately be characterized by association with Walter Breen and Zimmer Bradley

Lovecraft's wife claimed that he had no interest in sex and she had to initiate everything.

I don't think she's saying that men who lived through the first world war should be ashamed that they did so. I think what she's putting forth is that those men did feel shame for living when so many other men and boys (who inevitably became noblier and grander in death, than they truly were in life) did die. I think we as people have a rose tinted view of loved ones, especially when they're no longer around to tarnish that image. And her point is that Tolkien's sending Frodo away is a cop out instead of facing survivor's remorse. I don't think that's what Tolkien was doing with Frodo. And I am trying to take this woman's words in the best light.

Her over arching point is that epics are binary in essence. As she points out "Epic heroes (in the literary sense of "epic," Beowulf, The Iliad, etc.) do not survive battles to live crippled or maimed. They die on the battle-field or they survive in triumph." I think she is wrong in this regard, especially in relation to the Iliad (Achilles may not be physically maimed, but he is mentally.) And that as Lord of the Rings is an epic, it conforms to this established "trope" she has constructed.

You're being extremely kind to her here. For me, her arrogance in chiding Tolkien, a world war veteran who lost almost all his friends in a single week, for allowing Frodo to die in peace instead of making him face survivor's guilt (completely ignoring that it's exactly what Frodo does for years in the final chapters of LotR) negates any point she might have (and I don't think she actually has one). Her bringing up Dorothy L. Sayers' portrayal of wartime trauma only underscores the arrogance. Not because it was a bad portrayal, but because Sayers spent WW1 at Oxford, leading exactly the kind of life Tolkien had to interrupt to go to war and, once again, lose almost all of his dearest friends at the Somme.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

troons are a transhumanist idea

I heard something like that: that "transgender" is "social engineering" with the aim of grifting people into accepting "transhumanism" that's really about turning "little people" into cybernetic serfs with brain-computer interfaces. SF in general could be used to condition people to be more accepting of such a "New World Order" by tyranny.

But yeah, nothing inherently wrong with "speculative fiction" (especially when the world is dystopia), though escapism can attract freaks - not just mere non-conformists.