Serious LGBT Discussion

It's come to my attention that someone asked earlier in this thread whether or not homosexuality could be contagious and it was deleted as a shitpost. I don't see what's wrong with the question though. "Contagious" is obviously a metaphor, so the question is really "Can people's sexuality be influenced by those around them?" Other aspects of people's personalities and thought patterns can be influenced by others to some degree, so why is it a shitpost to ask if sexual attraction could be similarly influenced?
 
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It's come to my attention that someone asked earlier in this thread whether or not homosexuality could be contagious and it was deleted as a shitpost. I don't see what's wrong with the question though. "Contagious" is obviously a metaphor, so the question is really "Can people's sexuality be influenced by those around them?" Other aspects of people's personalities and thought patterns can be influenced by others to some degree, so why is it a shitpost to ask if sexual attraction could be similarly influenced?
I don't think that it is influenced by nearby people per se but I think that identity is. There are probably people who just have random attraction to a member of the same sex or wonder whether life would be better as the opposite sex who would become married productive members of society with children in the 50s who due to the omnipresence of LGBT propaganda will enter into same sex relationships or get sex changes in order to fit in in 2016
 
There are probably people who just have random attraction to a member of the same sex or wonder whether life would be better as the opposite sex who would become married productive members of society with children in the 50s who due to the omnipresence of LGBT propaganda will enter into same sex relationships or get sex changes in order to fit in in 2016

This sentence should be taken out and shot.
 
It's come to my attention that someone asked earlier in this thread whether or not homosexuality could be contagious and it was deleted as a shitpost. I don't see what's wrong with the question though. "Contagious" is obviously a metaphor, so the question is really "Can people's sexuality be influenced by those around them?" Other aspects of people's personalities and thought patterns can be influenced by others to some degree, so why is it a shitpost to ask if sexual attraction could be similarly influenced?

I think people are more likely to come out about feelings they have, which leads into the 'almost everyone is bi' argument from earlier, I don't think society changes who people are fundamentally, but I do think it makes people more able to recognise those feelings in themselves and be honest about them.
 
There is a lot of heated debate in some of the numerous tranny threads about whether or not transsexualism is an actual thing or just a illness/disorder. So, I thought I'd make a thread about it so all of you passionate deep thinkers can discuss it amongst yourselves.

On one hand, if you look like a girl/b0y and everybody refers to you as a girl and nobody knows that you're transgender, aren't you just a girl/boy? But, on the other hand, if you have a penis or a vagina you obviously can't just transform it into whatever genitals you want it to be.
 
It's definitely an abnormality and in my opinion there's nothing wrong with calling it as such. I'd rather just be left alone to my own devices rather than becoming the poster child of an acceptance movement that urinates on everyone's fun time. Mental disorder, or not? It fits the definition of one, at least from what I know.
 
There is a lot of heated debate in some of the numerous tranny threads about whether or not transsexualism is an actual thing or just a illness/disorder.
Both. It's an actual thing. That's caused by a disorder.
On one hand, if you look like a girl/b0y and everybody refers to you as a girl and nobody knows that you're transgender, aren't you just a girl/boy?
Yes, you are.
But, on the other hand, if you have a penis or a vagina you obviously can't just transform it into whatever genitals you want it to be.
No, you can't. Shit sucks. You can kind of emulate your target genitals with surgery, but the results are less-than-ideal. It's up to you how you want to go.

Sex is going to suck for you. But there are other disorders that make sex tricky. Some people just get dealt a bad hand. Again, shit sucks.
 
Nobody was less any less gay or gender non-conforming back in the 50's, just more miserable and closeted about it.

The transtrenders and the snowflake faggots that 'fall' for modern day LGBT propaganda are histrionic dipshits who would've joined a different but equally stupid movement back in the day.

And them not having children is objectively better for society.
 
Just gonna recycle this post from another thread:

"As far as I'm concerned they've succeeded, gender is now an absolutely meaningless term. Too bad for them they still can't escape the reality of sexual dimorphism and the binary nature of sex, which is what the insane deconstruction of gender is clearly all about. You can be a demiromantic asexual queer all you like, but you're still either male or female, down to every last single cell in your body. This isn't true for the occasional genetic anomaly, but those are so statistically neglible they are the exception that proves the rule."

If you take the SJW/intersectional definition of gender (i.e a completely batshit insane one) then yeah boy/girl is nothing but a superficial and meaningless distinction. If you take the (actual) biological definition they are trying to supplant with their idiocy then no, no they aren't. Sorry but hormones and bone structure and muscle mass and brain wiring and how your genetic code is telling your body to build itself from a blueprint present in the most minute part of it and etc isn't socially constructed. "Biotruths" are just that, truths, and the ignorant contempt of a bunch of delusional cultists aren't going to make them any less true.
 
If you take the SJW/intersectional definition of gender (i.e a completely batshit insane one) then yeah boy/girl is nothing but a superficial and meaningless distinction. If you take the (actual) biological definition they are trying to supplant with their idiocy then no, no they aren't.
That's not how words work. Words are defined by usage. There's no biological definition of "gender" if that's not how people use the word in practice.

If words had absolute, rock solid meanings, no new languages ever would've evolved in the first place.
 
On one hand I don't really care what gender or how someone wants to portray themselves as but on the other if someone said they were suffering dysphoria for say feeling like they should be another race medical professionals wouldn't help you transition to look like another race.
 
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That's not how words work. Words are defined by usage. There's no biological definition of "gender" if that's not how people use the word in practice.

If words had absolute, rock solid meanings, no new languages ever would've evolved in the first place.

There is no scientific or biological definition of gender. Because of that, there is no objectively correct answer to whether or not a tranny is their identified gender.

Unfortunately, like most religious nutjobs, they keep trying to pretend their views are backed by science.
 
There is no scientific or biological definition of gender. Because of that, there is no objectively correct answer to whether or not a tranny is their identified gender.
There's a deeper principle here at work: there's no objective definition of any word. Words only have meaning in context.

Whether or not transgenderism is legitimate is a complex topic. I don't really much to say about that. I'm only arguing against people's attempts to claim that scientific definitions of words are the definitions of words. They aren't.

People try to make the argument that a scientific usage of a word is the overriding one, because of the objectivity of science. It is true (as far as I'm concerned, anyway), that science is objective and the ultimate source of truth. But science doesn't say anything about how we should apply science outside of a scientific context.

All science has to say about these questions are that things like chromosomes exist and people have made statistical observations based on sexual characteristics like them. Certainly useful information, no doubt. But to claim that they actually fix what the English meaning of the words "man" or "woman" mean is a confirmation bias. It's not really supported by linguistics.

Science might as well be a separate language that you're merely translating into your native language. For example, there's the scientific definition of planet, compared to the astrological definition of a planet. Or "frog" and "toad" both have English definitions, but there's not really a consistent difference, scientifically.
Unfortunately, like most religious nutjobs, they keep trying to pretend their views are backed by science.
Well, I mean, there's certainly some interesting evidence to suggest that gender confusion might have some concrete roots.

But either way, I'm not really that concerned with the science, so much as the practical social understanding of gender.

If enough people accept a transman as a man, then the English language has evolved (like all languages have evolved to their current state) to accommodate that. Language is ultimately defined by usage.
 
Yes. But I'm not going to.
I think that is just a cop out so you can avoid admitting that you are wrong.

EDIT: I acknowledge that there are some times when it is not prudent to continue arguing with someone if they are using faulty argument to advocate a position that has long been disproven but that does not apply to this because I am taking a novel position on a contemporary issue that by its nature does not have much written on it so far
 
I don't think that it is influenced by nearby people per se but I think that identity is. There are probably people who just have random attraction to a member of the same sex or wonder whether life would be better as the opposite sex who would become married productive members of society with children in the 50s who due to the omnipresence of LGBT propaganda will enter into same sex relationships or get sex changes in order to fit in in 2016

I'll take a crack at this.

There is a far bigger push for homosexual men and women to stay in the closet than there is for them to come out and be part of the LGBT community at large, this is true around the world as well as industrialized countries like the United States.

There is no such thing as "LGBT propaganda" to force people into same sex relationships, in fact in general the entire point and message at large of the LGBT movement has been "It's none of your business, what we do in the bedroom won't effect you!".

And the main reason why more people don't get married and have kids isn't because of "teh gheys" it's because getting married and having kids is expensive as sin.
 
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