Trainwreck The Empathic Nutritionist / Empathic Mamahood / Robyn Grogitsky-Ramirez / Luna Elva Ramirez / Glenn Ramirez / Atlas Glenn Standford Ramirez - Eyefucking Sociopath Selfie Addict Mother and Closeted Gymrat Pothead Father who use Instagram to Parade their Homemade Homunculus Tard Baby Created by their Refusal to Follow any Medical Oversights

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I’m sorry, the what now?


What she actually said was, “…this lineage-based, leveraged model of social selling…”

So that’s “pyramid scheme” or “fucking scam” in high-woo.

 

[LonesomeDud]

It sounds like you are advocating for encouraging Robyn’s delusions on one post, and calling people morons for doing so in the second.

I reread and I can understand that take. I reread them, and I don't want to appear disingenuous, so I won't edit or delete. I think there are things you can indulge and things you can't with delusions. I believe there's a way of "picking battles." I also know that it sounds anecdotal and dumb, but I swear it's worked for me and my life has been better for this more emotional reading of life.

I really don’t think it helps Robyn face her life by either prescribing equipment for Luna that has no value, or agreeing that Luna is picking out her own outfits.

I think prescribing equipment she doesn't need makes the lives of others worse.

I believe there is a soul that is supernatural. I want Robyn to foster her spiritual relationship with Luna, and there's not a lot to hold onto in terms of hope that they can have any real closeness in their relationship. Luna can't emotionally bond. That requires a brain. I think if Luna has to have a beating heart and be above ground, any chance for Robyn to love her and grow is positive, even if that means it isn't 100% true when someone agrees Luna did something she clearly can't. God help me if I'm wrong.

I’m no therapist and maybe you are

Lol no. I would have zero return clients.

, but it seems like reminding somebody of the truth is always the best way. A sympathetic, “no, I’m sorry, Luna will never hear, I can’t prescribe that” is no different from a sympathetic “Robyn, you picked a cute outfit and I’m sure If Luna had the capacity she’d love it.” Both reminds her of the truth of the situation. Being deluded into believing Luna is mentally normal is not helpful in any circumstance.

I appreciate being given a concrete example. You've given me a clearcut example of how I can be a better person, and I appreciate that. I really hope you don't think I'm being sarcastic because it's Kiwi Farms.

There are many mothers who understand the conditions of their child without delusion, no reason to think Robyn couldn’t get there -again, as she was when preparing for hospice. Something broke and needs to be fixed for Atlas’ sake.

You're right. He does deserve better. The terror of breaking a person is enough to make people who think they're good tell lies, I guess.

 

[GenociderSyo]

One thing I've learnt tard-wrangling the worse of the worst is that it can be very easy to give a parent false hope that they cling to and grow into an entire narrative. And that makes sense no one wants to know their child is becoming an adult that will never grow more then infancy in terms of abilities.

Thing with Robyn is I don't think shes delusional she really to me has some very sociopathic tendencies. She seems to have realized that Luna is a viable income and Luna and all the services she gets a means to the end to give Robyn money and internet "fame."

She even has turned her miscarraige all into a way to obtain more people for Healy.

 

[Simon]

One thing I've learnt tard-wrangling the worse of the worst is that it can be very easy to give a parent false hope that they cling to and grow into an entire narrative. And that makes sense no one wants to know their child is becoming an adult that will never grow more then infancy in terms of abilities.

Thing with Robyn is I don't think shes delusional she really to me has some very sociopathic tendencies. She seems to have realized that Luna is a viable income and Luna and all the services she gets a means to the end to give Robyn money and internet "fame."

She even has turned her miscarraige all into a way to obtain more people for Healy.

I think anyone smarter than Robyn would be capitalizing off this much more, but because Robyn is dumb as a box of rocks, the best she can do is IG and Healy. A dumb sociopath, but a sociopath nonetheless.

 

[Disgruntled Pupper]

Something broke and needs to be fixed for Atlas’ sake.

That's what I find so terrifying about women becoming potato farmers/ disabled child warrior moms. Even when the potato dies they stay stuck in the same narcasstic delusional patterns. Gwen is my go-to example because she's the one I first noticed it with but it's been 4, almost 5 years since Lola died and she still posts about how much she misses them and rehashes old content, sometimes leaking stuff she wouldn't post before, Every. Single. Day. It's insanity. She's not the only one. It seems once you enter that space of getting attention and asspats while wallowing in your own delusions and self-martyring in imaginary battles for your spud, it's over, you never fully leave.

But hey, where are the videos of Luna with her eye gaze machine? She's going to school for it right? Weird how long it's been since we got anything from Robyn about it.

 

[pippeyyy]

I think I saw a brief mention a few pages ago about this but it was a quick thought among a different topic, but I can't help but think that Robyn is too much of a narc to even consider that she needs to hang up her baby making agenda for good. One potato, one miscarriage, one healthy but neglected one. She's hitting the age where getting pregnant gets more difficult and the chances of birth defects rise. What is she going to do be pushing 40 still trying to get the family she had a vision of on the spiritual plane? With no medical oversight?

Also why does it feel like this miscarriage was just an IG show? It wasn't a girl, they announced on Christmas (or New Years, can't remember), she was barely a few weeks along, she showed her gunt as a baby bump and her posts just felt off. I saw one where she was working out to be fit for childbirth and thought something was just off and she was going to announce the pregnancy was over. Then bam, it was done. No mention of the details she loves discussing so much. We know the state of her snatch for childbirth and every other detail that absolutely doesn't need to be made public but she loses a pregnancy and silence. No foods to help with the blood loss or feelings about it. No morning mediation for her womb to be magically healed. No thoughts of this soul being rejected back into whatever she thinks happens when we aren't born. Just some plant babble.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Robyn IG:

Glenn IG:

 

[everybody in Portugal]

Robyn IG:

Is it me being stoned and dumb, or is that actually one swing repeated three times rather than three swings in sequence? Could she not even get three seconds of footage without Buna visibly seizing or something?

 

[pippeyyy]

Is it me being stoned and dumb, or is that actually one swing repeated three times rather than three swings in sequence? Could she not even get three seconds of footage without Buna visibly seizing or something?

It's a boomerang on Instagram. They're terrible.

 

[VisceraNexus]

There's definitely a somewhat consistent issue in medicine with sort of smiling and nodding and trying to be encouraging for the sake of a horrifying situation, and being too cold and too direct in such a way that it causes someone to deny what the doctor is saying. There's an extremely fine line that seems to vary from patient to patient that any medical professional has to walk here.

Anecdotal PL and rambling: Was once on a team handling end-of-life care for a geriatric patient with Stage 4 Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma, end stage renal failure, and congestive heart failure. Some of us advocated for a gentler hand when discussing options with the family, because the patient was comfortable and cognizant, we wanted to transfer them to hospice as smoothly as we could. However, the other side of the team was unbelievably blunt with the family, basically letting them know there was nothing they could do and saying the next of kin was in denial to their face. I was floored (despite understanding to some degree), and of course the patient's family requested a new care team because they didn't want to hear from that doctor again. Thankfully this kind of divide on a care team has not been something I've seen since, but I've heard horror stories from others. All this to say that there is definitely a middle ground that can be found when there is good communication and coordination, but there are always some who don't want to play ball for one reason or another. It can be very, very frustrating to navigate. I certainly would not want to be on Luna's care team in any capacity, what a nightmare.

 

[Trombonista]

Robyn IG:
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Glenn IG:
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"my perceptive"

 

[PBR Streetgang]

One thing I've learnt tard-wrangling the worse of the worst is that it can be very easy to give a parent false hope that they cling to and grow into an entire narrative. And that makes sense no one wants to know their child is becoming an adult that will never grow more then infancy in terms of abilities.

Thing with Robyn is I don't think shes delusional she really to me has some very sociopathic tendencies. She seems to have realized that Luna is a viable income and Luna and all the services she gets a means to the end to give Robyn money and internet "fame."

She even has turned her miscarraige all into a way to obtain more people for Healy.

Hard agree. While I honestly appreciate the Dud/Barbarella discussion for what it means for the rest of us semi-normal people, we ought to remember how performative this could all be in Robyn's case. I hope I'm wrong but for all we know none of this is cope, none of it's delusion, it's just a storyline, and she utterly ignores Luna when the cameras aren't rolling.

 

[SpiceyHuman]

I think I saw a brief mention a few pages ago about this but it was a quick thought among a different topic, but I can't help but think that Robyn is too much of a narc to even consider that she needs to hang up her baby making agenda for good. One potato, one miscarriage, one healthy but neglected one. She's hitting the age where getting pregnant gets more difficult and the chances of birth defects rise. What is she going to do be pushing 40 still trying to get the family she had a vision of on the spiritual plane? With no medical oversight?

Also why does it feel like this miscarriage was just an IG show? It wasn't a girl, they announced on Christmas (or New Years, can't remember), she was barely a few weeks along, she showed her gunt as a baby bump and her posts just felt off. I saw one where she was working out to be fit for childbirth and thought something was just off and she was going to announce the pregnancy was over. Then bam, it was done. No mention of the details she loves discussing so much. We know the state of her snatch for childbirth and every other detail that absolutely doesn't need to be made public but she loses a pregnancy and silence. No foods to help with the blood loss or feelings about it. No morning mediation for her womb to be magically healed. No thoughts of this soul being rejected back into whatever she thinks happens when we aren't born. Just some plant babble.

Thank you for bring this up. I too, have been wondering about why she hasn't spoken up more about the miscarriage. She loves to talk about about any detail in their lives and her epic mama birthing Goddess self. Shes been oddly silent about her ordeal and as you said, one would think she would be posting a series of woo, natural, holistic remedies on healing up from her miscarriage. Maybe share some recipies and herbal tonics to help balance hormones, recover blood, strengthen and tone the uterus... but theres been nothing.

I also agree with you on maybe she should call it quits with trying for a third. I'm not totally opposed to having children in ones late 30s, provided that they are physically fit, (shes not, shes Queen frump) and that one takes great care to go to professional medical care for all of the pregnancy check ups and screenings that are possible. Ultrasounds at least every 4 weeks, natal blood testing for chromosomal and trisomy defects, and amnio test if anything at all comes up abnormal. We all know she absolutely would not do any sort of screening so her trying to conceive is like playing Russian roulette at her age.

 

[TractorGirl]

Robyn IG:
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Shut up Glenn, you’re not smarter than anyone. Having random stoned thoughts does not make you a fucking doctor. Can’t stand this dickheads arrogance, give me hats.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

It sounds like you are advocating for encouraging Robyn’s delusions on one post, and calling people morons for doing so in the second.

I really don’t think it helps Robyn face her life by either prescribing equipment for Luna that has no value, or agreeing that Luna is picking out her own outfits.

I’m no therapist and maybe you are, but it seems like reminding somebody of the truth is always the best way. A sympathetic, “no, I’m sorry, Luna will never hear, I can’t prescribe that” is no different from a sympathetic “Robyn, you picked a cute outfit and I’m sure If Luna had the capacity she’d love it.” Both reminds her of the truth of the situation. Being deluded into believing Luna is mentally normal is not helpful in any circumstance.

There are many mothers who understand the conditions of their child without delusion, no reason to think Robyn couldn’t get there -again, as she was when preparing for hospice. Something broke and needs to be fixed for Atlas’ sake.

What is the point? Why is it anyone's job to "help Robyn face her life"? She is dumb and deluded*, and she copes in unhealthy ways...but wtf could be healthy mentally knowing you did that to your child. If she didn't have her delusions, I don't know how she'd get out of bed in the morning.

* or opportunistic and craven, as a couple people have theorized

My kids are young adults and even now, seeing them struggle or in pain for anything still turns me inside out. It makes me want to scoop them up, fix everything, and protect them forever, the way I could "make everything better" when they were babies. It's visceral, and it runs so deep that it requires an active, intentional compartmentalization. If I were Robyn with a child like Luna, especially if my decisions created her condition, I don't know if I'd make it through each day without a huge dose of delusion, and/or a handful of pills to get me through the day.

The only real problem (as opposed to being observably annoying on the internet) is Atlas. She doesn't seem to interact with him on a toddler** level, more just tending to him like with a baby for his needs then just letting him figure out the rest. So it's good that maybe Glenn is glad Atlas can interact and hang out - he wouldn't be the first man to get more comfortable once kids can "do stuff."

**he is really her first toddler, after all, and she has a perpetual newborn to eat up her time and mindspace

 

[ATI Escapee]

I'm not totally opposed to having children in ones late 30s, provided that they are physically fit

Spoiler: old parents pl

My mom was in her late 30s when she had me (I turned out....'fine'...) but I will say that as a struggling late 20s adult with not many assests and barely any money, it is incredibly inconvenient thaty parents are getting older and especially my mom needing more help with her physical issues...it is really stressful to not feel like I have grown up into a real adult yet while also seeing my parents age into needing support I have no fathomable means of providing. They stole my childhood with shitty upbringing and I feel that my adulthood is on the verge of being stolen via stepping in to care for aging parents way too young. It's mostly water under the bridge now as far as forgiving them for my childhood, and I care too much to just say 'not my problem' so don't tell me to leave it alone please. My ex has parents even older- 40s when they had him and they do pretty well but his mom has broken her hip and arm etc needed help a lot while he was in his 20s/early 30s in a way it feels almost unfair to expect from someone trying to find their own place in the world still

 

[Android raptor]

My kids are young adults and even now, seeing them struggle or in pain for anything still turns me inside out. It makes me want to scoop them up, fix everything, and protect them forever, the way I could "make everything better" when they were babies. It's visceral, and it runs so deep that it requires an active, intentional compartmentalization. If I were Robyn with a child like Luna, especially if my decisions created her condition, I don't know if I'd make it through each day without a huge dose of delusion, and/or a handful of pills to get me through the day.

That's the thing, narcissists completely lack that instinct as well as the ability to truly love their kids. The children of a narcissist are just objects that exist to give the narc narcissistic supply. If they can't do that, they can drop dead for all the narc cares.

 

[Adrenochrome Dreams]

Thank you for bring this up. I too, have been wondering about why she hasn't spoken up more about the miscarriage. She loves to talk about about any detail in their lives and her epic mama birthing Goddess self. Shes been oddly silent about her ordeal and as you said, one would think she would be posting a series of woo, natural, holistic remedies on healing up from her miscarriage. Maybe share some recipies and herbal tonics to help balance hormones, recover blood, strengthen and tone the uterus... but theres been nothing.

I also agree with you on maybe she should call it quits with trying for a third. I'm not totally opposed to having children in ones late 30s, provided that they are physically fit, (shes not, shes Queen frump) and that one takes great care to go to professional medical care for all of the pregnancy check ups and screenings that are possible. Ultrasounds at least every 4 weeks, natal blood testing for chromosomal and trisomy defects, and amnio test if anything at all comes up abnormal. We all know she absolutely would not do any sort of screening so her trying to conceive is like playing Russian roulette at her age.

Amniocentesis and chorionic villus sampling can cause miscarriage or infection, so these tests may be not worth doing, depending on whether the mother would abort a disabled baby, or whether anything can be done to help the conditions being screened.

I suspect she is actually a bit ashamed of this miscarriage because with only 1/3 of her children healthy and alive, she's not doing well as this fertility goddess she imagines herself to be.

 

[Goatchoker]

Spoiler: old parents pl

My mom was in her late 30s when she had me (I turned out....'fine'...) but I will say that as a struggling late 20s adult with not many assests and barely any money, it is incredibly inconvenient thaty parents are getting older and especially my mom needing more help with her physical issues...it is really stressful to not feel like I have grown up into a real adult yet while also seeing my parents age into needing support I have no fathomable means of providing. They stole my childhood with shitty upbringing and I feel that my adulthood is on the verge of being stolen via stepping in to care for aging parents way too young. It's mostly water under the bridge now as far as forgiving them for my childhood, and I care too much to just say 'not my problem' so don't tell me to leave it alone please. My ex has parents even older- 40s when they had him and they do pretty well but his mom has broken her hip and arm etc needed help a lot while he was in his 20s/early 30s in a way it feels almost unfair to expect from someone trying to find their own place in the world still

You my friend are stuck in a shit situation a lot of people also deal with, trying to be an adult but also caring for aging parents is a thing a lot of us never knew we would be stuck with and it’s a bummer.

eta, ex relatives of mine had both kids LATE. He will be a little over 60 when his youngest graduates HS.

 

[SpiceyHuman]

Amniocentesis and chorionic villus sampling can cause miscarriage or infection, so these tests may be not worth doing, depending on whether the mother would abort a disabled baby, or whether anything can be done to help the conditions being screened.

I suspect she is actually a bit ashamed of this miscarriage because with only 1/3 of her children healthy and alive, she's not doing well as this fertility goddess she imagines herself to be.

Hence why I said, if the previous screening show something abnormal.