Opinion The Pandemic of Lonely Men Not Women’s Problem - Don't need no man #4,683,592

Journalists nationwide are covering the hottest new pandemic that gets them clicks: the pandemic of lonely men.

Major publications like Psychology Today, and BBC’s Science Focus have covered the problem, saying COVID destroyed men’s social lives in particular, and the endemic of loneliness in men causes them undo hardship and suffering.

With the rise of loneliness came the rise of misogyny, with once-hidden corners of the internet becoming outlets for men to share their struggles in finding a mate. These communities become echo chambers, blaming women for men’s inability to connect or find a mate. If only women had lower standards, accepted men for what they were, and weren’t only interested in the top 10% of men, there wouldn’t be a problem.

Men’s Loneliness Not Women’s Problem

Women are speaking out on the issue. That men are lonely and can’t attract a mate is a men’s problem, not a women’s problem.

Women came out in droves to support this idea in the popular Reddit community dedicated to women’s issues, R/twochromosomes.

A user turned to Reddit to rant about the expectation that women should solve men’s loneliness.

“Recently read yet another post about the “epidemic of lonely men,” the original poster (OP) began before going into a rant about how the comments of that post focused on women as the problem.

“That’s just men projecting their top desire for a romantic partner being attractive onto women. Men are never going to learn until they realize they aren’t competing with 6’5 chads who’ll just cheat because let’s face it, men are only as honest as their options,” she continued.

Men Aren’t Competing With Other Men

Men fail to understand that they aren’t competing with other men. They are competing with the happiness and fulfillment a woman can provide herself. And they’re failing spectacularly.

The OP continued to share exactly what men are up against, and it’s not some other dude.

“Men are competing with a full and enjoyable life without the hassle of raising a man and his get. They are competing with never having to pick up after them and be expected to manage every holiday/birthday for a man and HIS side of the family. They’re competing with a free lifestyle, not catering to the whims of everyone else. They’re competing with freedom to buy everything they need/own a home/have financial security without being expected to regularly put out as a condition of continuing some relationship.”

Women No Longer Need Men

With advances in women’s rights, women gained the ability to take care of themselves. They no longer need to rely on men for financial security or a place to live. We can give that to ourselves.

Unfortunately, it’s only been true for the past two generations. Even many of our mothers couldn’t get a line of credit without a man’s signature. Women were fired for getting pregnant, passed up for promotions because “a man needs the job,” and thought of as lesser in the workforce.

Even now, women still face discrimination at work, but things are slowly improving, and women finally have the opportunity to take care of themselves.

Some Men Want to Push Women Back

Rather than rise to the challenge and become equal partners that would enhance a woman’s life, men are attempting to push women back.

One severe backlash we’re already seeing is the rise in pro-life legislation across the country. Women who can’t control their own reproduction are more likely to need male assistance, become trapped in unhealthy relationships, or face poverty. It’s far harder to leave a terrible relationship when kids are involved, and men know this. They want women to be trapped with them.

Other communities take it even further, advocating for stripping women of the right to vote, own property or exist without men.

To Alleviate Male Loneliness, Men Need to Improve

The one thing these male communities refuse to consider is self-improvement.

“They put the blame on “chads” because then it’s a genetic lottery, and they are absolved of the responsibility of becoming someone women would want to be with,” shared one commenter on the thread.

Another said, “It’s so weird to me to have that little motivation to improve oneself in any way.”

Men think they can continue to be lazy, incompetent users while attracting a desirable partner. They believe women should flock to them solely based on the fact that they’re a man.

The entitled attitude turns women off even more. Women want an equal partner. They want someone who will contribute to the household, parent their own children, share expenses, and handle their own health and wellness.

Women no longer want to manage the household, juggle childcare, and complete all the domestic duties while also bringing in the paycheck.

Women have looked at the options and realized being single is far better than being attached to a man they must also take care of.

Men must step up and contribute if they want to attract a mate. They must enhance a woman’s life rather than make it more difficult.

Men, are you up to that challenge?

This post was inspired by the rant about men’s loneliness on the TwoXChromosomes Subreddit.

 
Ah, it looks like the first incel has arrived.
Do snarky geniuses like this dude understand that the rise of incels and hopeless people in general are everyone's problem?

People forget this because femcel shrieking drowns out the facts but Elliot Rodgers took out his frustration on random passerby, six out of his eight victims were men.

You cannot have a society where there are no standards, stakes, or reasonable standards of living no matter how irreverent snark and sarcasm you use to prop it up.

This whole "breh nothing matters, the only people that care about society getting shittier are mad virgins lmfao whacky monkycheese epic meme breh" is so fucking damaging to civil society.
 
It’s the general “incel FU” rhetoric but this part stuck out to me.

“Rather than rise to the challenge and become equal partners that would enhance a woman’s life, men are attempting to push women back.”

Think about this for a moment, a man’s needs or wants are not even remotely imagined, much less collective societal repercussions. It is all about “what can you do to enhance and elevate women?”

If this doesn’t convince fence sitters we live in a genuine gynocracy, nothing will.

Everything must be centered around the advancement of woman, her glory, her pleasure. Have your own desires? Well they better be in line with a woman’s or die mad incel chud!

What about the effects on society? What society, daddy government and mommy corporation will handle all of that long term social stuff.

I realize Jews still rule in the west and nigger worship is the civic religion, but the female centric nature of modern civilization comes abundantly clear in these articles.

Just obscene.
 
Do snarky geniuses like this dude understand that the rise of incels and hopeless people in general are everyone's problem?

People forget this because femcel shrieking drowns out the facts but Elliot Rodgers took out his frustration on random passerby, six out of his eight victims were men.

You cannot have a society where there are no standards, stakes, or reasonable standards of living no matter how irreverent snark and sarcasm you use to prop it up.
Yeah, I do. When I suggested that both sexes change their behavior and return to tradition during the previous 30+ page cringefest, the incels proceeded to sneed.

An incel reading this article is looking at his reflection in a mirror. The incel expects a woman to cater to all his whims. He wants to play video games and watch anime all day and be completely supported by his wife, who will also raise the kids. Being trad is a two-way street.
 
The epidemic of male loneliness has less to do with 'oh I can't get my qt3.14 gf' and more to do with men not maintaining strong social connections as they get older, unlike women who more often than not have quite large social circles they're in contact with regularly. To assume it's just pining for a romantic partner is rather self-centred.
 
Aaaaand the 34 year old, boss babe, middle management at best ladies who are suddenly coming to the very harsh realization that all that shit is exactly that - bullshit.....aren't my problem.

That's the cruel irony of playing this game, ladies. By the time you finally, finally grow the fuck up enough to realize that you may be a teensy bit wrong about all this, the only dudes left that will put up with you are the exact loser simps that you shouldn't be dating and probably don't want anyway.

Look, I'm not totally unsympathetic. Women do generally go with the flow. This is fine. Society at large has been pounding women over the head with this horseshit for half a century now, if not more. Its fucking cruel and unusual and you have to be an exceptionally strong, confident, or otherwise freethinking woman nowadays to see through the programming. The people behind it should be hung from the lampposts in minecraft.

But don't go pushing articles like this making the situation worse. Don't go slamming men and making the situation worse.
 
The line that men are not competing against other men is the dumbest fucking thing I’ve heard this week out of a woman’s mouth. Of course they fucking are, you stupid bitch, they are competing to be the ones that attractive women will have sex with. Just because nobody will compete for your bitchy ass doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.
A lot of feminist hostility towards the dating scene is naught but jealousy they were never competitive in it.

The feminist solution for not making the cut for the gymnastics team has always, ALWAYS been burning down the gym.
 
Yeah, I do. When I suggested that both sexes change their behavior and return to tradition during the previous 30+ page cringefest, the incels proceeded to sneed.

An incel reading this article is looking at his reflection in a mirror. The incel expects a woman to cater to all his whims. He wants to play video games and watch anime all day and be completely supported by his wife, who will also raise the kids. Being trad is a two-way street.
I know you're going to ree at me because you can't help it but serious question.

How do I remove sexual partners, tattoos, mental illness and piercings from women? I can't have a trad wife if the women around me have debased themselves beyond any acceptable traditional levels. It's impossible to return to tradition with someone who has acted in self destructive ways you cannot reverse.
The epidemic of male loneliness has less to do with 'oh I can't get my qt3.14 gf' and more to do with men not maintaining strong social connections as they get older, unlike women who more often than not have quite large social circles they're in contact with regularly. To assume it's just pining for a romantic partner is rather self-centred.
Men have never maintained good social connections. They have traditionally been dragged into them by fellow travellers and wives. Your wife will befriend all the other women around her and you will turn up to their house with her. Or pick the kids up and meet other dads like you. Men are generally pretty poor at making friends unless they're in some sort of sports ball club and even then they're rarely good friends and more mates you play sports ball with each week and share a pint afterwards.
 
Do snarky geniuses like this dude understand that the rise of incels and hopeless people in general are everyone's problem?

People forget this because femcel shrieking drowns out the facts but Elliot Rodgers took out his frustration on random passerby, six out of his eight victims were men.

You cannot have a society where there are no standards, stakes, or reasonable standards of living no matter how irreverent snark and sarcasm you use to prop it up.

This whole "breh nothing matters, the only people that care about society getting shittier are mad virgins lmfao whacky monkycheese epic meme breh" is so fucking damaging to civil society.
It's never a problem until it is. Human beings are incredibly reactionary. Some are too ignorant to realize this and will continue laughing until eventually that thing they didn't view as a problem blows up in their face. Then you get this song.
 
If this doesn’t convince fence sitters we live in a genuine gynocracy, nothing will.
I noticed this back in 2016 when younger me dated a very FOB-y but still very high caste pajeeta med school student. Her Indian female friends would make endless excuses to stay with their hilariously poor-behaving Indian boyfriends. These weren't even Indian chads, just average dudes from that culture. They would do shit that western men would absolutely expect to get dumped for, and totally get away with it constantly. Meanwhile if a chick fucked up, she was done for.

Made me realize that cultures can be gynocentric, or maso-centric. Indian culture lets men off the hook and women have to fight fight fight to stay with their man. This results in just incredibly cringe behavior from Indian men. The west? Women can do whatever the fuck they want, and men have to accept that "they've learned from their mistakes" when they're in their mid-30s or some shit. Resulting in incredibly cringe behavior from western women.

Not a coincidence that despite me being a white boy from the hood and she a high caste doctor, she still treated me like an incarnation of Indra or something.
 
How do I remove sexual partners, tattoos, mental illness and piercings from women? I can't have a trad wife if the women around me have debased themselves beyond any acceptable traditional levels. It's impossible to return to tradition with someone who has acted in self destructive ways you cannot reverse.
Honestly? Don't pursue those types of women. You're not going to meet wife material on Tinder - you are going to meet wife material at church.
 
Bro. How am I supposed to take seriously any ideology or philosophy from either side that is underwritten by the frustration of single, unlovable people?

Finding a good partner is a challenge, sure. But you either DO eventually, or consign yourself to bitching about how unfair it is.

Life isn’t fair, fuck off incels and femcels both
 
Honestly? Don't pursue those types of women. You're not going to meet wife material on Tinder - you are going to meet wife material at church.
I agree Tinder isn't where you meet your wife, but the girl on Tinder can still be going to your local church or on OKCupid. Depending on the figures 15-30% of people have tattoos now. 1/3 odds of the girl you like having another dude's name tattoo on her asshole isn't great is it?

How do you have a trad relationship when other women will intentionally sabotage your wife's tradness because they're bitter she got some and they didn't? Serious problem with groups of women when they see a married man or someone else doing better. A lot of marriages end because a jealous friend sees the ring and dives for the cock.

How do you make trad a real thing in 2023 clown world? The average man wants a woman with 0-3 sexual partners including themselves. Some quick googling lead me to this and.. well you can do the math. 2 sexual partners is not common.

  • Between ages 25 and 44 had a median of 4.2 sexual partners, while men in that age group had a median of 6.1 sexual partners. (These are medians, not averages. These medians are based on number of lifetime sexual partners among sexually experienced men and women, meaning they don't take into account people who have had zero sexual partners.)
  • A 2015 study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found millennials have an average of 8 sexual partners.
  • A 2017 survey of 2,180 people from the U.S. and Europe from U.K. health service Superdrug Online Doctor found women had a lifetime average of 7 sexual partners. Men had an average of 8 sexual partners.
 
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She's self-educated! I hope those cats at least pretend to take you seriously, sweetheart, that'll be a great consolation as you grow old and eventually, die alone.
 
I agree Tinder isn't where you meet your wife, but the girl on Tinder can still be going to your local church or on OKCupid. Depending on the figures 15-30% of people have tattoos now. 1/3 odds of the girl you like having another dude's name tattoo on her asshole isn't great is it?

How do you have a trad relationship when other women will intentionally sabotage your wife's tradness because they're bitter she got some and they didn't? Serious problem with groups of women when they see a married man or someone else doing better. A lot of marriages end because a jealous friend sees the ring and dives for the cock.

How do you make trad a real thing in 2023 clown world? The average man wants a woman with 0-3 sexual partners including themselves. Some quick googling lead me to this and.. well you can do the math. 2 sexual partners is not common.

  • Between ages 25 and 44 had a median of 4.2 sexual partners, while men in that age group had a median of 6.1 sexual partners. (These are medians, not averages. These medians are based on number of lifetime sexual partners among sexually experienced men and women, meaning they don't take into account people who have had zero sexual partners.)
  • A 2015 study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found millennials have an average of 8 sexual partners.
  • A 2017 survey of 2,180 people from the U.S. and Europe from U.K. health service Superdrug Online Doctor found women had a lifetime average of 7 sexual partners. Men had an average of 8 sexual partners.
Better question:

How does stewing over blackpill statistics get you closer to what you want?

Another question:

How does any of this refute the dude’s statement that church is a good place to find marriage material? Cause it is. I attest to it.

I wasn’t even raised religious, but my wife was. No tattoos, one prior relationship, her friends are also based and non subversive.
 
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