Opinion The Pandemic of Lonely Men Not Women’s Problem - Don't need no man #4,683,592

Journalists nationwide are covering the hottest new pandemic that gets them clicks: the pandemic of lonely men.

Major publications like Psychology Today, and BBC’s Science Focus have covered the problem, saying COVID destroyed men’s social lives in particular, and the endemic of loneliness in men causes them undo hardship and suffering.

With the rise of loneliness came the rise of misogyny, with once-hidden corners of the internet becoming outlets for men to share their struggles in finding a mate. These communities become echo chambers, blaming women for men’s inability to connect or find a mate. If only women had lower standards, accepted men for what they were, and weren’t only interested in the top 10% of men, there wouldn’t be a problem.

Men’s Loneliness Not Women’s Problem

Women are speaking out on the issue. That men are lonely and can’t attract a mate is a men’s problem, not a women’s problem.

Women came out in droves to support this idea in the popular Reddit community dedicated to women’s issues, R/twochromosomes.

A user turned to Reddit to rant about the expectation that women should solve men’s loneliness.

“Recently read yet another post about the “epidemic of lonely men,” the original poster (OP) began before going into a rant about how the comments of that post focused on women as the problem.

“That’s just men projecting their top desire for a romantic partner being attractive onto women. Men are never going to learn until they realize they aren’t competing with 6’5 chads who’ll just cheat because let’s face it, men are only as honest as their options,” she continued.

Men Aren’t Competing With Other Men

Men fail to understand that they aren’t competing with other men. They are competing with the happiness and fulfillment a woman can provide herself. And they’re failing spectacularly.

The OP continued to share exactly what men are up against, and it’s not some other dude.

“Men are competing with a full and enjoyable life without the hassle of raising a man and his get. They are competing with never having to pick up after them and be expected to manage every holiday/birthday for a man and HIS side of the family. They’re competing with a free lifestyle, not catering to the whims of everyone else. They’re competing with freedom to buy everything they need/own a home/have financial security without being expected to regularly put out as a condition of continuing some relationship.”

Women No Longer Need Men

With advances in women’s rights, women gained the ability to take care of themselves. They no longer need to rely on men for financial security or a place to live. We can give that to ourselves.

Unfortunately, it’s only been true for the past two generations. Even many of our mothers couldn’t get a line of credit without a man’s signature. Women were fired for getting pregnant, passed up for promotions because “a man needs the job,” and thought of as lesser in the workforce.

Even now, women still face discrimination at work, but things are slowly improving, and women finally have the opportunity to take care of themselves.

Some Men Want to Push Women Back

Rather than rise to the challenge and become equal partners that would enhance a woman’s life, men are attempting to push women back.

One severe backlash we’re already seeing is the rise in pro-life legislation across the country. Women who can’t control their own reproduction are more likely to need male assistance, become trapped in unhealthy relationships, or face poverty. It’s far harder to leave a terrible relationship when kids are involved, and men know this. They want women to be trapped with them.

Other communities take it even further, advocating for stripping women of the right to vote, own property or exist without men.

To Alleviate Male Loneliness, Men Need to Improve

The one thing these male communities refuse to consider is self-improvement.

“They put the blame on “chads” because then it’s a genetic lottery, and they are absolved of the responsibility of becoming someone women would want to be with,” shared one commenter on the thread.

Another said, “It’s so weird to me to have that little motivation to improve oneself in any way.”

Men think they can continue to be lazy, incompetent users while attracting a desirable partner. They believe women should flock to them solely based on the fact that they’re a man.

The entitled attitude turns women off even more. Women want an equal partner. They want someone who will contribute to the household, parent their own children, share expenses, and handle their own health and wellness.

Women no longer want to manage the household, juggle childcare, and complete all the domestic duties while also bringing in the paycheck.

Women have looked at the options and realized being single is far better than being attached to a man they must also take care of.

Men must step up and contribute if they want to attract a mate. They must enhance a woman’s life rather than make it more difficult.

Men, are you up to that challenge?

This post was inspired by the rant about men’s loneliness on the TwoXChromosomes Subreddit.

 
Trad as in actual trad, fuck that shit, I'm done with that idea.
I’m saying that if a girl is calling herself trad, then it’s a fashion statement and not an indication of values or moral character.

In real life, you don’t walk around with a bio printed on a t shirt for people to read. You see people’s character play itself out without being narrated.

I remember back in the day I was messing around on voat, and this self described trad girl was going off about how she wouldn’t proffer her purity for anyone who didn’t own a home and have a six figure salary.

Ok… but what the fuck kind of guy buys a house for just himself to live in?
 
Trad girls are a bunch of fucking work too. People don't want compromise of any kind, fuck them.
Of fucking course a trad girl is work. By definition a trad relationship is fucking work. Im in a "trad" marriage. That means, by fucking definition I work OUTSIDE the home and my wife works INSIDE the home. If either if us don't work, we dont eat. If I don't work theres no food in the house for her to cook. If she doesn't work theres no cooked food to eat.
 
I remember back in the day I was messing around on voat, and this self described trad girl was going off about how she wouldn’t proffer her purity for anyone who didn’t own a home and have a six figure salary.
Nobody trad has ever heard of voat, and everyone who's been on there has brainworms too severe to ever be remediated (He said, while posting from Kiwi Farms).
 
That's something Jordan Peterson might say. And what did the establishment think of Jordan Peterson? Meanwhile this Woman is blaming guys for everything and gets an article. The establishment doesn't want things to go back to the way they were. They want you fighting.
I personally don’t care what “the establishment” says about anything. It works on some people, sure. At least on a topical level, where they perceive benefits from appearance.

Real life isn’t that bad when you get down to it.
 
The increasing frequency that we have to hear from women about how nothing they ever do is their fault is all I need to know about the state of modern relationships.
nothing is there fault
when they speak you must listen
what they say you must believe
you must support them all the time
don't make them feel bad
treat them well all the time

ITS ABOUT EQUALITY
 
Sounds like bullshit to me. Any guy who looks and acts reasonably normal, and has a job/income, can find a lady. Plenty of ladies out there who just want someone normal, nice, and who will hold up his half of the relationship.

You've heard this before - best way to find someone is to consciously not look for someone. People can smell desperation a mile away. A great source of people to meet are those who work as store clerks, servers, barbers, etc. See someone you're interested in, have them do your hair, check out your purchases, sit at the table they serve, and so on. Gives both people a chance to communicate in a neutral environment. If you are always nice and leave a decent tip, as appropriate, that's noticed. If you are a single dad, how you handle your kids is noticed. Go from there. Has worked for me, more than once.

The ladies truly worth having in life don't want a "bad boy". They don't want a boy at all, overall. They want a man. And any man with a brain doesn't want some "bad boy"'s leavings. Get into a relationship with a bad-boy's ex, the bad boy will always be in her head, exerting influence. Nope. Life is complicated and difficult enough as it is, don't believe in borrowing trouble, and that's what a guy gets when he takes up with a bad boy's leavings.
 
Owning a home > renting.
Yeah, it just wouldn’t make sense to tie yourself to one place like that if you’re still single. I mean you could buy a house as a rental property, but even then you’d be better off staying near it to assess shit yourself instead of writing blank checks to contractors every time something happens.

I really don’t think it’s common to buy a house before marriage. I could be wrong, but I don’t know anyone personally who has
 
It's like this woman literally cannot see the possible connection between increased numbers of under-sexed, lonely men and a possible forcible reduction in women's rights and options in the future.

This chick does get that if society gets to a tipping point percentage of incels, society and women's rights are screwed?
Of course she doesn't. If she actually did get it, she would be in favor of legalizing prostitution and making sexual surrogate therapy coverable by stuff like medicare and medicaid.

That would require her and others like her (the Handmaid's Tale cosplay crowd) to understand that continued social progress is not at all guaranteed, and that the sexual "have-nots" that various extremist groups are and will be recruiting in the future could and should be bought off in order to deprive those groups of support.
 
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Between the tradfags who spmehow don't think most girls don't take cues from modern culture and the unironic boomers who don't see how fuckrd modern dating is, I genuinely don't see the point of these threads outside of outrage porn. Just find a normal girl that has actual hobbies instead of just going to church or watching TV or using social media, is religious or open to religion and is modest while not being braindead, doesn't have a bodycount or a very low one and is compatible with you on such a level that you two actually are friends instead of glorified fuckbuddies. It's not easy but it is possible.

Also, that tradshit is gay because most tradgirls are faking it. If even girls in hijabs are getting their backs blown out on the daily, then I refuse to believe that Catholic, Mormon or any other type of woman that does that tradshit not a bona fide thot in disguise or basically a virginal automaton that has a host of other issues. Trust me , I've seen my fair share of those. Whatever you do though, don't date your average liberal college educated woman because that is a waste of not only your time and resources seeing that they won't understand nor care for you and they are not loyal at all. Social media and the sex wars ruined modern dating basically.

Fixed some typos and added a viy morre context. I still think the modern conception of traditionalism is gay because it's based on 1950s America, not actual traditional societies like the homesteaders of the 1800s or something more akin to what you see in the third world. There you see that both women and men cooperate in any productive task (even if the women are expected to do less strenuous tasks, thats still more than nothing) and family is a communal thing rather than just based on the nuclear family. It's a big reason why I think that sort of thinking has gotten us to where we are today.
 
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There are some valid points here, but it’s couched in misandry and a lack of empathy or understanding. The problem isn’t incels themselves, as far as I’m concerned, they’re doomed, they’ve already fallen into a cycle of blaming everyone but themselves for failure. The problem is how young men fall into inceldom in the first place. It’s cause there’s nothing for them to do. My theory is that most incels are just guys who, historically, weren’t terribly bright, maybe dropped out of school and got a job building roads, in a mine, or at a factory. Hard, menial labour that needs to get done. This paid decently well, and had low barriers to entry, at the expense of destroying your body over time.

Nowadays, those jobs either don’t exist, are increasingly rare, or only hire undocumented immigrants they can pay fuck all. There is no path forward for the somewhat dim bloke, so they end up stuck at home, browsing the internet and social media.

None of this is helped by the fact that little attention has been paid to changes men have to make in a world where housewives don’t exist. Too few mothers or fathers teach their sons how to do basic shit like wash clothes, cook food, keep the house tidy or shit like that, setting a lot of young men to fail epically as soon as they move out of home, if they even do. Add to that a pre-occupation amongst these types of associating a man’s worth with what kind/how many women he’s fucked, and it’s absolutely unsurprising young men are increasingly dysfunctional. This is compounded by the current trend of blaming men for their own problems and dismissing the idea that things can be hard for men as ”cis white male privilege“ or whatever, and it not only makes things worse, but ensures nothing will be done about it. It also isn’t aided by a lack of understanding by men and women about the ideas of “feminism”, at least as it was originally envisioned, and that those ideas aren’t exclusively applicable to women.
 
It's like this woman literally cannot see the possible connection between increased numbers of under-sexed, lonely men and a possible forcible reduction in women's rights and options in the future

How the hell will that happen? You have toxic waste pouring into the skies and electons being stolen and we're now to believe an army of eliot rodgers will now inherit the earth?
 
You've heard this before - best way to find someone is to consciously not look for someone. People can smell desperation a mile away. A great source of people to meet are those who work as store clerks, servers, barbers, etc.

In my day to day life, doing those things you speak of, when I interact with a seemingly reasonable Woman, I look to her hand, the ring is there. And I'm not even looking anymore. I chuckle inside.
 
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How the hell will that happen? You have toxic waste pouring into the skies and electons being stolen and we're now to believe an army of eliot rodgers will now inherit the earth?
It's honestly simple. You have the number of undersexed, lonely sadsack men hit a high enough percentage, and eventually politicians will realize they have a voting block they can appeal to. This won't happen right away,(and it won't involve armies in the literal sense) and when it does happen it will start out very subtle.

The current situation is both temporary and not without historical precedent as far as cover-ups of environmental disasters and sham elections are concerned. Neither is the large numbers of men who have little to nothing to live for. These things tend to get resolved in very ugly ways, but they don't have to be.
 
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