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[870EVO]

Straw-manning now are we? Fair enough Chang.

Yeah I guess it's an American thing. They get real defensive about their sworn enemy. For some it's China, for others Russia.

 

[Übertroon]

The Chinese military doesn't have the capacity to project power outside their own borders and the South China Sea. If they could, they absolutely would.

Now you're holding two conflicting beliefs though, on one hand you're claiming they're incapable of projecting power outside their own borders, on the other you're defending the claim that they're an international threat.

 

[Random Internet Person]

It's an old Soviet propaganda tactic, old enough that the name for it is "And you are lynching Negroes".

I’m just surprised how easily it works.

 

[NickDigger]

Yeah I guess it's an American thing. They get real defensive about their sworn enemy. For some it's China, for others Russia.

Please point to calling the chink a hypocrite with no room to act sanctimonious is being "defensive".

 

[Spasticus Autisticus]

Now you're holding two conflicting beliefs though, on one hand you're claiming they're incapable of projecting power outside their own borders, on the other you're defending the claim that they're an international threat.

They aren't conflicting though. The threat can take more forms than just direct military force. And when it comes down to it, I'd much prefer an American hegemony and a restrained China over any feasible alternative. Anyone who thinks that China (or Russia for that matter) would save the West from globohomo wokeness is not a serious person.

 

[870EVO]

Please point to calling the chink a hypocrite with no room to act sanctimonious is being "defensive".

All the politicians are hypocrites though. I thought that was obvious. We all know of the Uygher genocide. I just thought he brought up a good point.

They aren't conflicting though. The threat can take more forms than just direct military force. And when it comes down to it, I'd much prefer an American hegemony and a restrained China over any feasible alternative. Anyone who thinks that China (or Russia for that matter) would save the West from globohomo wokeness is not a serious person.

You making sound like the US Government didn't wish they had the social credit system China has. We're just a bit further back along the timeline. COVID was a nice test though.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

The thing about the ChiCom "No u" is that thanks to the progressive Globalism shit that the WEF, EU and Biden admin are pushing with the whole DEI meme and shit, it forces them to agree with the ChiCom.

Biden's progressive retards are constantly talking about racism and inequality and "muh white supremacy" and shit. They constantly play this shit up. They cannot deny the obviously retarded ChiCom take because doing so would require them to back pedal on their own propaganda.

Of course they might do it anyway. They are all fucking retards and will change positions on a dime as soon as it is convenient. No principles only power.

 

[NickDigger]

I just thought he brought up a good point.

No, you just fell for, again, the age-old commie parlor trick of accusing your opposition of crimes to deflect from your own. You're not making an ounce of revelatory statement by saying SEE!!!? THE WARMONGER AMERICANS DO BAD STUFF TOO!

You're obviously very young (edit: and also not a native English speaker), so I suggest you either hone up on your history if you don't want to look like a retarded groyper.

 

[Netizennameless]

Things retards have been saying for ages.

Civilian labor force participation rate

www.bls.gov

The labor force participation rate has been declining for at least two decades. Those retards are right, just over-estimate the speed of change. If you don't have jobs for those people to do, they don't contribute to social security at all. But they will drain from it later if they live long enough.

It's a Pyramid Scheme, The only way to prevent it from collapsing in on itself is to perpetually bring new people into the system, You need to kill a (much larger at this point) number of older folks that allow the current generation of younger folks to pay for the current system. You aren't going to do that with a fucking Random Heart Attack Vaccine.

People are never going to stop being born or stop becoming citizens so bringing new people into the system isn't ever a problem. Then all you have to do to keep the ponzi scheme going is to make sure you're not paying out more than you're taking in. Hence the random heart attack vaccine that leads to early but not immediate death. Enough time to pay into the system but not to draw from it. The people who do die off in general are the obese, the sickliest, the ones with expensive health issues and multiple comorbidities anyway.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

The difference between the US and China is everyone and their dog criticizes the US for everything they do, even their citizens.

You're also allowed to criticize the government and people.

Try that shit in China.

It's like the old joke:

A Russian and American are talking about which country is the best. The American says "I can go to the White House and yell that America sucks and not get arrested." The Russian laughs and goes "So what, I can go to the Kremlin and yell that America sucks and not get arrested also."

 

[870EVO]

No, you just fell for, again, the age-old commie parlor trick of accusing your opposition of crimes to deflect from your own. You're not making an ounce of revelatory statement by saying SEE!!!? THE WARMONGER AMERICANS DO BAD STUFF TOO!

You're obviously very young (edit: and also not a native English speaker), so I suggest you either hone up on your history if you don't want to look like retarded groyper.

Dude I know what they're trying to do. Just because it comes from China, doesn't make it's statement not truthful. You are getting way too worked up.

 

[NickDigger]

Dude I know what they're trying to do. Just because it comes from China, .

No, you don't. If you did, you wouldn't be reiterating "but muh good point". EVERYONE fucking knows the US military industrial complex is a hive of warmongering criminals.

doesn't make it's statement not truthful

Just because it's true doesn't mean the chink isn't a hypocrite like countless communists before him are. I'm sorry you just learned today how shitty our military has been abroad like most of us did ohhh, like ten, twenty, or even fifty years ago. Maybe you'll catch up and learn about how we shit the bed leaving Afghanistan.

You are getting way too worked up.

Says the dude hammering on "but point is... le good!" like we haven't heard that already.

You may now take your L and respond with a post that starts with "JEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ...."

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Those retards are right, just over-estimate the speed of change.

They have been saying it for 100s of years with every technological change,

People are never going to stop being born or stop becoming citizens so bringing new people into the system isn't ever a problem.

Except most of the scum they bring in aren't adding in as much and are actively sending money out of the system back to their "families" in the shit hole part of the world.

Hence the random heart attack vaccine that leads to early but not immediate death. Enough time to pay into the system but not to draw from it. The people who do die off in general are the obese, the sickliest, the ones with expensive health issues and multiple comorbidities anyway.

That is going to be a trickle in the bucket compared to how much money they are going to need to remove, thinking the Vaccine is some plot to fix the Social Security crash is absolutely insane, you would have to fucking just old people into fucking Gas Chambers to fix it this way. The only actual way to fix Social Security will be "Anyone born after X year just doesn't get it Sorry"

Which is going to happen anyway once it collapses so somebody should be a man and just nut up and say it.

 

[Übertroon]

The threat can take more forms than just direct military force

What threats though?
I'm not saying one should welcome chink overlords with open hands, but this reads too much like attempting to deflect from their own turmoil by sneering at Emmanuel Goldstein.
The Russians have time and again proven themselves to be a threat and using armed force against its neighbors, but the Chinese has as of yet stayed surprisingly insular.
Reminds me of those books and games back in the 90s where people were fearing that China would exploit the collapse of the Soviet Union and attempt to seize siberia

 

[Random Internet Person]

Are we really concerned though with what the chinese are doing to muslims within their own borders though? Remember, we're not accusing the chinks of being threatening to their own citizens, we're accusing them of being internationally threatening

The Chinese military doesn't have the capacity to project power outside their own borders and the South China Sea. If they could, they absolutely would.

Now you're holding two conflicting beliefs though, on one hand you're claiming they're incapable of projecting power outside their own borders, on the other you're defending the claim that they're an international threat.

Here’s the thing to understand: China isn’t like most countries. Their power isn’t in the military, their power is in bending and breaking governments and entities until they’re completely dependent and subservient to Beijing.

You got the Belt and Road Initiative which is just offering to build infrastructure, except only Chinese workers are on the project, and anything that is already built is owned by Chinese companies and leased to your country for extreme lengths in the name of “closer ties”. Soon enough, you’re in a debt trap and you’re giving China cash and resources hand over fist with their only communication being “time to pay up, bitch”. And if you can’t? China will just take all this shit for themselves and you gotta pay China for shit in your country.

Also, they force their policies into any place that wants the lucrative China market. Two biggest examples I know:

-When Daryl Morey retweeted a photo in support of the Hong Kong protests (which was crushed by a HK government that was pro closer ties with Beijing), the NBA was off Chinese airwaves for over a year.

-When John Cena announced that Taiwan would be first to see a Fast and The Furious film, he gets roasted and has to make an apology in Mandarin because he had the audacity to suggest Taiwan was its own country and not a part of the People’s Republic of China.

There’s also massive amounts of film editing for the country’s censors, but China isn’t alone in that regard.

And then you have the Biden’s being alleged to be compromised by the CCP, be it through Hunter’s business ties, or some kind of blackmail hung over Joe’s head. Remember the spy balloon that wasn’t shot down until it was over the Atlantic? What’s to say that it was only shot down when China gave the OK?

And then there’s Eric Slawell and Fang Fang. That cloud ain’t going away.


I like to call Xi Jingping “a loan shark that wants to take over the world”. This is why.

 

[AnotherPleb]

That is going to be a trickle in the bucket compared to how much money they are going to need to remove, thinking the Vaccine is some plot to fix the Social Security crash is absolutely insane, you would have to fucking just old people into fucking Gas Chambers to fix it this way. The only actual way to fix Social Security will be "Anyone born after X year just doesn't get it Sorry"

Which is going to happen anyway once it collapses so somebody should be a man and just nut up and say it.

The thing is no party wants to say that because they will ensure that their entire party will lose power for an entire generation at the very best. Ironically, a monarchical system would be able to make that cut with a lot less pain as monarchies can afford to see things in the long term.

 

[Breadbassket]

Here’s the thing to understand: China isn’t like most countries. Their power isn’t in the military, their power is in bending and breaking governments and entities until they’re completely dependent and subservient to Beijing.

You got the Belt and Road Initiative which is just offering to build infrastructure, except only Chinese workers are on the project, and anything that is already built is owned by Chinese companies and leased to your country for extreme lengths in the name of “closer ties”. Soon enough, you’re in a debt trap and you’re giving China cash and resources hand over fist with their only communication being “time to pay up, bitch”. And if you can’t? China will just take all this shit for themselves and you gotta pay China for shit in your country.

Also, they force their policies into any place that wants the lucrative China market. Two biggest examples I know:

-When Daryl Morey retweeted a photo in support of the Hong Kong protests (which was crushed by a HK government that was pro closer ties with Beijing), the NBA was off Chinese airwaves for over a year.

-When John Cena announced that Taiwan would be first to see a Fast and The Furious film, he gets roasted and has to make an apology in Mandarin because he had the audacity to suggest Taiwan was its own country and not a part of the People’s Republic of China.

There’s also massive amounts of film editing for the country’s censors, but China isn’t alone in that regard.

And then you have the Biden’s being alleged to be compromised by the CCP, be it through Hunter’s business ties, or some kind of blackmail hung over Joe’s head. Remember the spy balloon that wasn’t shot down until it was over the Atlantic? What’s to say that it was only shot down when China gave the OK?

And then there’s Eric Slawell and Fang Fang. That cloud ain’t going away.


I like to call Xi Jingping “a loan shark that wants to take over the world”. This is why.

China wants to build an empire based on debt. Its an approach that relies entirely on the world being at peace to expand gradually. If the USA ever found the spirit of MacArthur once more, a 2nd Cold War could be started and I am sure some annoyed nations in debt with China and frustrated with losing their strategic infrastructure like ports and airports could suddenly find themselves for no reason at all with the means to combat Chinese soldiers. While this is going on revive the Pacific version of NATO because why not.

On top of this is the fact the CCP is doing their best to modernize and expand their military and they aren't doing it so they look prettier in one of their propaganda parades.

 

[Spasticus Autisticus]

What threats though?
I'm not saying one should welcome chink overlords with open hands, but this reads too much like attempting to deflect from their own turmoil by sneering at Emmanuel Goldstein.
The Russians have time and again proven themselves to be a threat and using armed force against its neighbors, but the Chinese has as of yet stayed surprisingly insular.
Reminds me of those books and games back in the 90s where people were fearing that China would exploit the collapse of the Soviet Union and attempt to seize siberia

To name a few threats, in no particular order:

• Owning a massive amount of the world's manufacturing capacity, including in critical sectors, while simultaneously flouting IP protection. Granted a large part of this falls on the West for allowing this to happen, but this is what we have to deal with now.
• The psyop and espionage vector that is TikTok
• Turning the South China Sea into a potential flashpoint for military conflict
• The existence of CCP police bases on American soil
• Exerting influence in American academia through Confucius Institutes and similar programs
• That whole SARS-CoV-2 deal

Is China destined to overtake the US? It's not certain, not by a long shot. They have enormous internal issues: awful demographics, an anemic economy, poor rural development, an unproven and poorly-equipped military, a stiflingly conformist and risk-averse culture. But just because they don't engage in the same military adventurism as the US doesn't mean they aren't still a threat.

 

[870EVO]

To name a few threats, in no particular order:

• Owning a massive amount of the world's manufacturing capacity, including in critical sectors, while simultaneously flouting IP protection. Granted a large part of this falls on the West for allowing this to happen, but this is what we have to deal with now.
• The psyop and espionage vector that is TikTok
• Turning the South China Sea into a potential flashpoint for military conflict
• The existence of CCP police bases on American soil
• Exerting influence in American academia through Confucius Institutes and similar programs
• That whole SARS-CoV-2 deal

Is China destined to overtake the US? It's not certain, not by a long shot. They have enormous internal issues: awful demographics, an anemic economy, poor rural development, an unproven and poorly-equipped military, a stiflingly conformist and risk-averse culture. But just because they don't engage in the same military adventurism as the US doesn't mean they aren't still a threat.

Isn't most of that just America 70 years ago? IMF World Bank, US bases in countries all over the world, Germany gets their own pipeline bombed and is too afraid to even call them out since the EU is so cucked to America.

So China is just doing what America used to do?

The only difference right now is China has the social credit system and the US doesn't. And it's hard to implement when many people have guns. I remember that story of that guy that held up a bank in some 3rd world country because the government limited withdrawals. And he was trying to withdraw HIS money.

 

[Übertroon]

To name a few threats, in no particular order:

• Owning a massive amount of the world's manufacturing capacity, including in critical sectors, while simultaneously flouting IP protection. Granted a large part of this falls on the West for allowing this to happen, but this is what we have to deal with now.
• The psyop and espionage vector that is TikTok
• Turning the South China Sea into a potential flashpoint for military conflict
• The existence of CCP police bases on American soil
• Exerting influence in American academia through Confucius Institutes and similar programs
• That whole SARS-CoV-2 deal

Is China destined to overtake the US? It's not certain, not by a long shot. They have enormous internal issues: awful demographics, an anemic economy, poor rural development, an unproven and poorly-equipped military, a stiflingly conformist and risk-averse culture. But just because they don't engage in the same military adventurism as the US doesn't mean they aren't still a threat.

Of those only the South China Sea thing is something that doesn't have to do with the west committing seppoku because the retards keep voting in fifth column internationalists.
China really only have the power you let them have. If China refusing to sell your product within its borders is a threat to you then you fucked up somewhere. If you're putting all your factories in China then I don't really know how you can blame China for using it as leverage to make you stop bitching about the uighurs