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"we find very big melon, will feed many tribespeople , but then a big monkey come out of jungle to take melon, we beat him to death with stick, the monkey never come back again"
Carnivore Diet / Ancestral Living / Lion Diet - Food abominations, pseudoscience and cholesterol problems galore!
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this is implying tribes ate a balanced caloric intake of 2000 calories every day. They simply didn't. You don't have the local cave doctor saying they need to increase their meal portions to fulfill a daily calorie goal. You're applying a rigid science to something that would've been much more day by day and improvised.
I certainly have no clue but I could also see the average calories necessary being lower in this time period due to humans being on average smaller and shorter life spans also implying that they weren't living what a modern doctor would call the ideal life.
i remember seniors in school convincing the underclassmen to do this in order to get more vitamin d, even better if they did it in the snow because the reflection of the sun off the white snow increased it's power.
one idiot believed them.
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Well, nutrition is an actual science. You can't really go around certain dietary needs, no matter how much you improvise.
Being smaller wouldn't make that much of a difference, especially not when one is sedentary and the other extremely active.
Check here, a 5'7 guy weighing 130lbs but with an active lifestyle burns 2700kcal per day.
Even at 5'5 and 12% bodyfat, he'd still need almost 2700kcal.
But a sedentary 6'2 dude weighing 190lbs, 20% BF doesn't even need 2400kcal a day.
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Well, cavemen were smaller than 21st century humans and so presumably needed less calories. Then again, they were probably active, maybe not to the extent of the modern professional athlete, but still somewhat active.
But "cavemen couldnt possibly get all their dietary needs from plants" (already established with the question "how would they get vit b12/essential fatty acids/amino acids/etc?") doesnt exactly prove they mustve eaten mostly meat, or refute the "appeal to caveman" arguments these carnie influencers use. It's utterly off-topic.
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Only obliquely, if they can use it to prove a point, but otherwise no. I took some interest in the paleo dietary stuff a fair few years back, while trying to find a solution for health issues that I shan't go in to here, but I lost interest in it again fairly quickly when I realised that what they tended to propose wasn't a palaeolithic-style diet at all, but just an excuse to eat lots of meat. Now, personally, I don't need any excuse to eat lots of meat, but they apparently do. The eskimo diet would occasionally come up as one of them, but in a very superficial sense, because to actually eat like an eskimo would require them to do something other than eat muscle and fat.
An actual palaeolithic-style diet would consist of seasonal nuts, fruits, various roots and tubers that might be available, and every part of an animal that could be eaten. Paleo fad-dieters avoid almost all of this and focus on the muscle, maybe some of the more conventional organs, and other palatable-to-modern-sensibilities foodstuffs that are "like" palaeolithical foods. If they were dedicated to the actual paelo diet, they'd be eating the guts and offal, and the green wibbly bits, and chewing nutrients out of the skin before using it to make clothing.
This is where they come to resemble vegans, in my opinion: they both have a very unrealistic idea of how nutrition works. It is possible, like the eskimo, to live an entirely carnivore diet, but to do so requires consuming parts of the animal that we are socially conditioned to find disgusting. A modern diet wastes most of the animal (an unavoidable side-effect of industrial society, to a degree), which means it has to be supplemented. The typical paleo diet is just a modern diet with excuses and a childish reasoning for why they don't have to eat their greens.
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I don't get the disagrees, I mean, sure a good diet is very helpful, but I can assure you that if you workout properly 5-6 day/week, especially combine with a rather active life, you're basically set, you won't get fat as long as you keep at it, and if you do a round of blood tests, ECGs and EEGs, unless you have some unrelated illness, they'll come positive and show improvement.
Even if you eat lots of pasta and bread and other cheap crap.
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On one hand:
on the other:
Most of these people are talking big about how they don't need fiber, fiber is actually poison to your gut, etc. This all reminds me of Museum of Quackery Harvey Kellogg.
Here's a random recommending a person with hemorrhoids to go carnivore and just use coffee enemas when they have a problem (coffee helps intestinal inflammation? You may be surprised, lol.) First person was wondering what to do about fiber causing low testosterone.
I think most of these people are barking up the wrong conspiracy tree. Most are posting about how fiber was actually a scam all along and not a vital element to digestion and satiety.
on the other:
Most of these people are talking big about how they don't need fiber, fiber is actually poison to your gut, etc. This all reminds me of Museum of Quackery Harvey Kellogg.
Here's a random recommending a person with hemorrhoids to go carnivore and just use coffee enemas when they have a problem (coffee helps intestinal inflammation? You may be surprised, lol.) First person was wondering what to do about fiber causing low testosterone.
I think most of these people are barking up the wrong conspiracy tree. Most are posting about how fiber was actually a scam all along and not a vital element to digestion and satiety.
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How would someone like this prevent plaque from building up in their arteries and eat so much red meat? Maybe the parasites from their high meat are giving their blood vessels a good ol' floss?
SpergioLeonne
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What?
Because it tastes good?
My brother in law drives me fucking crazy because he’ll spend all this money on beef to barbecue and he never leaves any of it alone, it always has to have some shit on it so it comes out candied.
I almost never even bother to salt anything. If there’s any fat on the cut, the fat rendering while it cooks is flavor enough. Salt it too much and it tastes like salt instead of meat.
SpergioLeonne
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Your arteries are like hoses, right? They naturally degrade over time and need repair. Cholesterol is what repairs them.
There are like six different groups of types of cholesterols.. not sure if that’s outdated. But they do different things, and a better sciencefag than myself would be able to tell you what those things were.
But basically, arterial plaque is from your arteries being damaged and repaired too fast. It’s not that cholesterol with no purpose just starts sitting in them for some reason.
Nah. People should eat what they want and lift. Muscle mass burns calories passively.
It’s why it’s easier to gain muscle if you’re fat than if you’re skinny. I used to go to school with this kid who was trying to gain.. he’d have a normal lunch every day PLUS a bowl with six hard boiled eggs in it. Every single lunch. He was still tiny.
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This is how you get colon cancer and there's nothing sexier than a colostomy bag.
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So why is coffee an exception in their animal products-only diet? Is it a known fact that cavemen couldn't function without their morñing joe?
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Specifically, you get colon problems from a lack of non soluble fiber, because then shit hangs out for too long without passing. Meat doesn’t have fiber, and basic starches like potatoes and rice don’t have fiber, where sweet potatoes are stringy and do.
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Header: Not a debate thread
You: 'I replaced my reading comprehension with meat'
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mmmmm over engineered meatloaf
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These people are so shit at cooking they need a tutorial to make dry spongy meatloaf. Also, why are you trying to make meat "bread"? It just makes you sound identical to retard vegans when they talk about their soy "burgers".
I wonder if we'll reach peak contrarian and see a hybridized subculture pop out of these weird alternative food trends. I easily can imagine a tiktok video where they make a soy patty served on a bed of dry meatloaf.
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Bread and meat were meant to go together and not eating bread is sacrilege no matter the diet
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Seed oils are kinda shit and a lot of people use too much heat cooking with it which causes the oil to polymerize on them which leads to annoying microplastic sperging.
Simply just eat whatever you feel like and workout. You aren't going to become giga chad just by simply eating a certain way. At best you're going to become malnourished and feel like shit all the time.
You can always out exercise a bad diet
Beer is the best thing to ingest a day or two prior to a really long run along with an iron supplement just don't get shitfaced because you're going to waste nutrients recovering from the hangover
Soups are the best foods to eat if you're very health concerned and not a crazy nutjob like the people in OP.
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Why did she add baking powder and vinegar to her ground beef and egg slurry...
Also that will taste like bland dogshit as it's completely unseasoned. I suppose this analogy matches the appearance.
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lol the pre-agrarian Homo sapiens still had cooking and were omnivorous
(also the "paleo diet" thing seems like another Clown World circus act)
(also the "paleo diet" thing seems like another Clown World circus act)