Carnivore Diet / Ancestral Living / Lion Diet - Food abominations, pseudoscience and cholesterol problems galore!

Corporate Gigachad said:
I guess the other "real question" is, is it optimal? From various perspectives, can an average person afford it? You might not get scurvy, but is an optimal amount of vitamin C or whatever being absorbed?
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The answer is yes. All of them. Low carb intake = low oxidative stress = low requirement of anti-oxidants, at least theoretically. (cf)
The more realistic question is, is it safe for people with existing metabolic disorders like diabetes. The answer is probably no because hyperinsulinemia causes all sorts of issues, which MAY hamper the digestive capability of certain animal nutrients. I can explain why this can lead to things like kidney stones (not oxalate stones, but urate stones) if you're willing to listen to it.

Corporate Gigachad said:
Would banning various favorite foods be eating disorder fuel?
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Would banning alcohol be alcoholism relapse fuel??
No one is banned for anything, if you don't like it, just quit. No one fucking cares.
Corporate Gigachad said:
Would physical performance be impacted by the lack of carbs?
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That's irrelevant because the main focus here is health not athletic performance. That being said, from what I saw/experienced, carb intake is probably preferable, BUT there are pro athletes (eg Chito Vera in UFC) who can do fine. I guess the answer is... it depends??

One thing to note here is, fat adaptation takes time (9 weeks on minimum). You should take that into consideration.

>some Derrick the roid man video

It's true Saladino had health issues but no one really knows how/why it happened. Short period N=1 isn't very useful.If N=1 is so important, I can bring up guys like Shawn Baker and argue how carnivore is safe and effective. (that being said, it seems iron overlord caused the low T, though.)

Also, I have to mention no one knows if those test markers are actually useful/reliable in the first place (eg people keto diet usually has lower T3 hormone levels but it doesn't affect their functions).
Corporate Gigachad said:
Speaking of Derek Moreplatesmoredates, here he talks about someone who claimed calories dont matter om carnie
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You can count energy sources (fat/carb) with calories in kinda sorta semi reliable way (yet still unreliable especially if you mix fat and carb), but it's utterly useless when it comes to measuring the nutritional values of amino acids because human body barely utilize them as energy.
Still, you probably can use calories if you measure the caloric values of things like feces/breath/body heat/movement while properly adjust the values based on macro nutrient ratio, but.... who does that??
I can go down the rabbit hole about how but you have to read the sources I cited in my previous post first because Randle Cycle becomes very relevant here again.


I have a suggestion, why don't you make a thread about just Saladino (or Liver King or specific forum/sub/discord)? The vast majority of your sources are from Saladino, it seems like you have a personal vendetta against him for whatever reason. Did you pay him or something?

It just doesn't feel right to treat him as a part of keto/carnivore/whatever communities when he is treated as a lolcow by all of them (example, highly recommend you to actually read it). He even made videos about how keto/pure carnivore are potentially dangerous, which makes this entire thread kinda moot. Either way, don't forget mentioning Saladino vs Tufano lolsuits, the battle of homos that's a must.


as a side note : you get this
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as an auto reply on some related Discord servers, he is not very popular to say the least.
 
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JelloJerk said:
So why is coffee an exception in their animal products-only diet? Is it a known fact that cavemen couldn't function without their morñing joe?
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I speculate that these guys are just too weak to break their caffeine addiction to actually follow through, especially if you consider coffee is made from seeds, which plants wouldve wanted to defend. In fact, isn't caffeine a defense chemical?
KatanaSenshi said:
I have a suggestion, why don't you make a thread about just Saladino (or Liver King or specific forum/sub/discord)? The vast majority of your sources are from Saladino, it seems like you have a personal vendetta against him for whatever reason. Did you pay him or something?

It just doesn't feel right to treat him as a part of keto/carnivore/whatever communities when he is treated as a lolcow by all of them
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Somebody roughly 2 pages ago said, "a hit dog hollers" replying to a similar earlier post of yours. I have come to the conclusion that what they meant is that my OP, or the existence of the thread in general, has personally offended (hit) you (the metaphorical dog) and now you are hollering.

And to tell me that Saladino isn't a "real carnivore" and should be considered separately from the wider community stinks of the widely mocked "it wasn't real communism" argument. Besides, if you see the food abominations and health problems sections of my OP, Saladino is mentioned roughly ZERO, therefore the wider carnivore community can and SHOULD be mocked. I suggest learning how to read properly instead of shitting out half a hundred pubmed studies, they cannot uncringe the fried cheese goat balls.

As such, maybe stop psychologically projecting that I have a vendetta against Saladino, since you evidently have a vendetta against me.
 
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KatanaSenshi said:
It just doesn't feel right to treat him as a part of keto/carnivore/whatever communities when he is treated as a lolcow by all of them (example, highly recommend you to actually read it). He even made videos about how keto/pure carnivore are potentially dangerous, which makes this entire thread kinda moot.
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The thing is, practically none of these people are "pure" carnivores. E.g:
  • Liver King takes maple syrup
  • Saladino takes fruits
  • Aajonus takes vegetable juice
All of them consider each other to be wrong, correctly pointing out that the other guy is a laughing stock. But at the end of the day, they all advocate for a predominantly meat diet, using mostly the same arguments as each other.

Let's not split hairs and just laugh at retards.
 
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Here's some good resources from an expert, not-for-profit nutritionist who relies primarily on placebo-controlled double-blind studies of large groups, which are expensive, but actually get the job done in terms of science.
https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/paleolithic-diets/

Also, eat beets, they're one of the best things you can put in your body for muscle growth and performance.
 
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I have been keeping tabs open on the carnivore and keto people as well as some legit nutritionists who orbit those circles.
You have to be full of coolaid or a globohomo shill to say meat causes cancer. (if it was true hunter-gatherers would go extinct in a couple generations without even a chance to invent agriculture)
They actually provide good and valuable insight into what is real food and what's not.
May be you do some actual research and verify their claims instead of reposting their profiles to kiwifarms with implication "haha, look at these cows they are so stupid and i'm so smart for pointing it out"? Shawn Baker actually posts research on his IG explaining what it means in laymen terms.
And besides, all those people are legit real chads, Paul Saladino looks real good for his age, meanwhile soycuck who wrote book "fiber fueled" looks like a fucking dyke.
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WolfeTone said:
Here's some good resources from an expert, not-for-profit nutritionist who relies primarily on placebo-controlled double-blind studies of large groups, which are expensive, but actually get the job done in terms of science.
https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/paleolithic-diets/
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NutritionFacts is vegan website, even though it's pretending to be neutral to manipulate the uninformed. Just look up their page yogurt, it would be funny if it wasn't sad (yogurt has some health benefit but still bad because some companies add sugar, wut).
Also, Dr.Gregor (who never practice as a doctor) encourages vasectomy, I wonder if he is pro tranny too 🤔

Also,
>not-for-profit nutritionist who relies primarily on placebo-controlled double-blind studies of large groups

That's a straight-up lie. The vast majority of studies are observational, not interventional.

There are only 3 large scale randomized controlled trials so far and plant group actually didn't do better than animal food group. In fact, the plant group started die early in one of them (Minnesota study), and the researcher canned the research because it was "disappointing".

No/low-carb thing got popular again exactly because of this. Lipid hypothesis is stuck in a hypothetical state limbo for decades, while RCTs fail to prove the theory. That's why people are starting to question.


Dylan said:
Shawn Baker actually posts research on his IG explaining what it means in laymen terms.
And besides, all those people are legit real chads, Paul Saladino looks real good for his age, meanwhile soycuck who wrote book "fiber fueled" looks like a fucking dyke.
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Ahhh, Saladino actually looks weird these days. Some people assume it's because of honey guzzling but who knows.

Blatant hypocrite said:
The thing is, practically none of these people are "pure" carnivores. E.g:
  • Liver King takes maple syrup
  • Saladino takes fruits
  • Aajonus takes vegetable juice
All of them consider each other to be wrong, correctly pointing out that the other guy is a laughing stock. But at the end of the day, they all advocate for a predominantly meat diet, using mostly the same arguments as each other.

Let's not split hairs and just laugh at retards.
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Saladino advocates super high fruits/honey consumption. That's totally something else because fructose is a big stinker even some vegetarian/vegans avoid, but that's just my opinion.

Either way, I have no problem with laughing at those frauds. My problem is the sheer amount of nutritional misinformation in the OP.

Just focusing how those guys lie, flip-flop and sell pricey garbage would make the thread much better, but... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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my dude.
low carb n keto diets are simply alot more popular cuz losing weight is a popular personal goal.
not to mention keto and low carb are so much easier to do and follow than counting calories, where you can actually notice results.
its that simple.
literally no one gives a shit what these lab coats have to say


and can someone tell me why is there an irrational fear against fruits?!
can someone point me to a community of fatasses that became a tub of lard cuz they had one too many fruit?
 
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Corporate Gigachad said:
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Well, cavemen were smaller than 21st century humans and so presumably needed less calories. Then again, they were probably active, maybe not to the extent of the modern professional athlete, but still somewhat active.

But "cavemen couldnt possibly get all their dietary needs from plants" (already established with the question "how would they get vit b12/essential fatty acids/amino acids/etc?") doesnt exactly prove they mustve eaten mostly meat, or refute the "appeal to caveman" arguments these carnie influencers use. It's utterly off-topic.
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It's called hunter-GATHERERING for a reason. You hunt for meat, but also gather edible plants and eat both plants and meat. Because humans, like most primates, are omnivores.
 
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Dylan said:
I have been keeping tabs open on the carnivore and keto people as well as some legit nutritionists who orbit those circles.
You have to be full of coolaid or a globohomo shill to say meat causes cancer. (if it was true hunter-gatherers would go extinct in a couple generations without even a chance to invent agriculture)
They actually provide good and valuable insight into what is real food and what's not.
May be you do some actual research and verify their claims instead of reposting their profiles to kiwifarms with implication "haha, look at these cows they are so stupid and i'm so smart for pointing it out"? Shawn Baker actually posts research on his IG explaining what it means in laymen terms.
And besides, all those people are legit real chads, Paul Saladino looks real good for his age, meanwhile soycuck who wrote book "fiber fueled" looks like a fucking dyke.
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Cancer doesn't usually kill you before you can reproduce, how the hell would they have gone extinct. All you have to do to keep the species going is fuck and drop a baby. Not to mention hunter/GATHERERS ate more than just meat.

Literally nobody cares about a pop science book author, and if anybody is quoting that shit as a source they are a moron.

As for the primary lit, here you go. I'm sure actual science is just the big stupid though, it's all a conspiracy against the clearly enlightened one.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Consumption of red meat and processed meat and cancer incidence: a systematic review and meta-analysis of prospective studies - PubMed

Red meat and processed meat consumption has been hypothesized to increase risk of cancer, but the evidence is inconsistent. We performed a systematic review and meta-analysis of prospective studies to summarize the evidence of associations between consumption of red meat (unprocessed), processed...
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"This comprehensive systematic review and meta-analysis study showed that high red meat intake was positively associated with risk of breast cancer, endometrial cancer, colorectal cancer, colon cancer, rectal cancer, lung cancer, and hepatocellular carcinoma, and high processed meat intake was positively associated with risk of breast, colorectal, colon, rectal, and lung cancers. Higher risk of colorectal, colon, rectal, lung, and renal cell cancers were also observed with high total red and processed meat consumption."
 
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NoodleFucker3000 said:
Pretty sure eating raw balls is cringe and gay. The liver king is nasty. We don't eat those parts for a reason!
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People eat those parts, but liver king is still cringe and gay.

People eat those parts for the same reason most people throughout history weren't eating red meat every day: cows and cow parts were expensive. Some poor indentured servant or peasant farmer was primarily only going to have access to less expensive, less desirable parts of an animal carcass. Organ dishes are found all over the world for that reason.

Now thanks to the industrial revolution and factory farms most anyone can eat a burger every single day if they wanted, and we're getting ass cancer as a result (saying red meat causes cancer doesn't mean never eating it, just eating it in moderation like fish with mercury and shit).
 
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