Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Vince McMahon]

Navalny has posted a thread of what he calls 15 theses of a political platform. He says that Russia should return Crimea (an issue he'd waffled on in the past), compensate Ukraine for the invasion, and become a parliamentary democracy.

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https://twitter.com/navalny/status/1627632098608644099

9 years too late, Not-A-Sandwich. Enjoy prison life.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Or the exact opposite? I thought your text was going to lean to the fact that they would be sending it to Ukraine to discredit it and get rid of it. A-10s are really vulnerable in this scenario, with both sides packed with AA and a very contested airspace

No more or less exposed then any other form of CAS.

 

[Fait Accompli]

9 years too late, Not-A-Sandwich. Enjoy prison life.

If Russia sees some positive change, i hope the guy gets out. Dont get me wrong, im totally against this dude being in any position of power, but i believe he has been a very good voice for showing how rotten the Russian system is in a constructive way and he has now become a victim of the same system he tried to expose.

Very optimistic tho, Russia has been the same and done the same mistakes over and over for centuries, it would take something incredible to change this culture and mindset

IF Russia somehow collapses due to this war, i sincerely hope the west ( or other nations * cough cough * china ) doesnt press this advantage to dismantle the russian federation, this would be a direct cause of nuclear retalition as of russian doctrine

 

[Corette]

The Su-25 has been used pretty heavily in the war and it performs a very similar role, they just have to fly low.

It also might be the plane type that has taken heaviest losses during this war.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

If Russia sees some positive change, i hope the guy gets out. Dont get me wrong, im totally against this dude being in any position of power, but i believe he has been a very good voice for showing how rotten the Russian system is in a constructive way and he has now become a victim of the same system he tried to expose.

Very optimistic tho, Russia has been the same and done the same mistakes over and over for centuries, it would take something incredible to change this culture and mindset

IF Russia somehow collapses due to this war, i sincerely hope the west ( or other nations * cough cough * china ) doesnt press this advantage to dismantle the russian federation, this would be a direct cause of nuclear retalition as of russian doctrine

He's a whore who would say anything, and do anything to get into power. The only difference between him and Putin, is that one is in prison.

 

[DumbDude43]

The only difference between him and Putin, is that one is in prison.

nah there's big differences
putin is a glownigger born and raised, so he runs the country like you'd expect from a professional glownigger: propaganda gayops and secret (and sometimes not so secret) police are the answer to almost everything, stability and security of the state are the only things that matter to the regime.
navalny is not that, navalny seems more like the type of professional politician who will gladly sell out his country and people to foreign forces in exchange for getting himself installed in a position of wealth and power. he seems a lot like westoid politicians in that regard, which is probably why those types like him so much

 

[MG-34]

Ah, well alright. I just referred to basic knowledge and mimicing alot of what i've heard. Has the Su-25 been that active in this war tho? I thought that both air support missions and air supremacy missions over the actual battlefield has been limited

Frogfoots have seen action on both sides and NATO already sent out Frogfoots so a suitable NATO substitute shouldn't make escalation pussies panic. The Frogfoots have been used in a role similar to Helicopter gunships, that is pitching up and firing unguided rockets. An A-10 could at least out perform that by firing guided bombs. The A-10 can carry sidewinder missiles, which could swat down helicopters. According to public record there are 46 A-10s in ready reserves with several more in long term storage. Another advantage is these things have a much shorter training time table for both pilots and maintenance crews as well as being designed to use improvised airfields. Ukraine has the issue of having more pilots than airframes so a small amount like 30 could help tip the scales.

 

[delerious?]

nah there's big differences
putin is a glownigger born and raised, so he runs the country like you'd expect from a professional glownigger: propaganda gayops and secret (and sometimes not so secret) police are the answer to almost everything, stability and security of the state are the only things that matter to the regime.
navalny is not that, navalny seems more like the type of professional politician who will gladly sell out his country and people to foreign forces in exchange for getting himself installed in a position of wealth and power. he seems a lot like westoid politicians in that regard, which is probably why those types like him so much

If you paid attention to what they're doing in mariupol, basically a "russification" program; replacing traditional houses with commie blocks and painting over a mural of a girl who lost her parents to DNR shelling and IIRC pushilin wanted Azovstal to be demolished. Russian "culture" is famine, war and despair. This whole war is meaningless death for people on both sides and I have contempt for the russians sent to die by an uncaring retard.

 

[Fait Accompli]

So, what do y'all think about this " future russian offensive " that there is talk about everythere? Also seems logical

Russia has slowly gained ground for 2 months and regained the iniative, is this the major Russian offensive? Or a prelude

1) Wagner assaults, Wagner drained and replaced
2) Minor attacks that uses Wagner successes as a platform
3) The major offensive

I think we can agree that the first part is over, question is if we are at 2 or 3? Its really hard to tell, is this just a major offensive failing or simply a prelude doing some small successes?

 

[AgendaPoster]

So, what do y'all think about this " future russian offensive " that there is talk about everythere? Also seems logical

Russia has slowly gained ground for 2 months and regained the iniative, is this the major Russian offensive? Or a prelude

1) Wagner assaults, Wagner drained and replaced
2) Minor attacks that uses Wagner successes as a platform
3) The major offensive

I think we can agree that the first part is over, question is if we are at 2 or 3? Its really hard to tell, is this just a major offensive failing or simply a prelude doing some small successes?

We'll see in a few days if anything starts, until then, it's grind time as usual

 

[CuzinEd]

It seems the Russian economy isn't doing so well. Losing Europe as a customer means they have lost over half of their revenue. The Russian economy might collapse before the war ends.

 

[DumbDude43]

It seems the Russian economy isn't doing so well. Losing Europe as a customer means they have lost over half of their revenue. The Russian economy might collapse before the war ends.

dont know about that, i think they can prop it up for quite a while. you can do a lot with exchange rate manipulation, money printing, and other central banking shenanigans.
the long term economic consequences of the situation are disastrous for russia, but i believe it will take many years until those consequences really start kicking in and are felt by the people at full force. but once it happens it will be very very ugly.

 

[Exterminatus]

There is also the shrill shrieking from "nationalist" sectors about how Ukraine can't be nationalist because Ukraine does not exist. This cope was what finally convinced me the Far Right Anti-Ukraine sentiment was either a psy op or hopelessly retarded. Its right there in the statement that "Zelensky will fight to the last Hohol".

Its stated as a mockery but it belies a point. Zelensky isn't fighting. The "Hohol's" are. Who ARE these Hohol's Zelensky can ostensibly fight to the last one of? That is a question Team Z REALLY does not want to ask, because it has implications they do not want to deal with. Such as the fact Zelensky cannot do shit without an army, and an army cannot fight what is clearly a total war without some sort cogent idea of just WHAT its fighting for. Zelensky is nothing without his Hohol's. And for some reason thousands of Russians are dying in a country that does not exist.

It falls flat in the resistance Ukraine has shown so far, the west was ready to leave Ukraine to dry during the initial first 2 weeks of the invasion and only changed course when they saw Ukrainian defenses were holding and the Russians couldn't take Kiev. If the Ukrainians really wanted to be Russian they wouldn't have resisted so heavily and just welcome Putin's forces in with hugs and kisses.

And lest we forget when Ukraine voted for independence from Russia/USSR in 1991 every single oblast in Ukraine voted in a majority to leave including Crimea so it's not even like Crimea and/or the eastern portion of Ukrainians desired to remain with Russia.

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Bradleys are in country. Can't wait to see these things racking kills like we're back in Desert Storm.

Coach Red Pill and the Pentagon Wars informed me that this is just an armored Jeep and will do nothing against the glorious Russian forces!

Or the exact opposite? I thought your text was going to lean to the fact that they would be sending it to Ukraine to discredit it and get rid of it. A-10s are really vulnerable in this scenario, with both sides packed with AA and a very contested airspace

The problem there from my view is that it would give Russia a big propaganda boost to show smoldering wreckage of American A-10s. So it looks bad both for Ukrainian pilots and America domestically because the dumb thing got memed so hard that people here think it's a glorious wonder weapon that can crush enemies with ease.

So, what do y'all think about this " future russian offensive " that there is talk about everythere? Also seems logical

Russia has slowly gained ground for 2 months and regained the iniative, is this the major Russian offensive? Or a prelude

1) Wagner assaults, Wagner drained and replaced
2) Minor attacks that uses Wagner successes as a platform
3) The major offensive

I think we can agree that the first part is over, question is if we are at 2 or 3? Its really hard to tell, is this just a major offensive failing or simply a prelude doing some small successes?

I've seen some analysts say that the failed attacks we've seen so far are the vaunted Russian offensive. But right now I think it's a little too early to say because both Russia and Ukraine are being hampered by the awful weather. Russia and Ukraine can still conduct small scale attacks like we've seen at the Bakhmut meat grinder, overall we may not really know until the weather starts letting up. Both sides have had quite a lot of time to dig in and make defensive positions.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

IF Russia somehow collapses due to this war, i sincerely hope the west ( or other nations * cough cough * china ) doesnt press this advantage to dismantle the russian federation, this would be a direct cause of nuclear retalition as of russian doctrine

Doctrine means nothing in case of ruzzia. In any circumstances. Whole war is AGAINST their doctrine of landwar and how to took battles, so I don't bet on they will use or didn't use nuke according to doctrine.

Russia has slowly gained ground for 2 months and regained the iniative, is this the major Russian offensive?

Yep, that catching around few villages and one town was that huge offensive. Unless something enexpectional happens we will se nothing to late spring.

 

[DumbDude43]

IF Russia somehow collapses due to this war, i sincerely hope the west ( or other nations * cough cough * china ) doesnt press this advantage to dismantle the russian federation, this would be a direct cause of nuclear retalition as of russian doctrine

i'm pretty confident that nato has no interest in actually launching any sort of war or invasion into russia itself, and i thin the same applies to china. the chinese are concerned mainly towards the south and east, the expansion they want is towards taiwan and into the south china sea, their mid to long term goal seems to be hegemony over east and southeast asia, they don't seem to have much interest in pushing north.

 

[Uranus Pink]

I'd say it's just as vulnerable as the Su-25. They could be shipped to replace frogfoot losses with the benefit of being able to mount modern Western PGMs. I'd ship them without GAU-8 ammo just to minimize foolish use of the system. I'd assume they have a shit ton of usable airframes at the boneyard to save money.

Problem Ukraine is having when using the SU-25 is they don't have the fighter cover to keep Russian fighters from attacking them. More importantly they simply don't have enough SEAD aircraft to suppress Russian ground air defenses. But then everyone who isn't the U.S. military would also have this problem. SEAD is something neither the A-10 or SU-25 could do adequately.

 

[CuzinEd]

Peter Ziehan says this is Wagners last campaign. They are done this year. Running out of recruits. They recruit from the Russian officer corps but the Russians are calling everyone up for service. The prisoners are starting to refuse to join Wagner as well. They use the prisoners as expendable bullet sponges. They tell them serve 6 months and you will be free. But they don't even make it past 6 months.

So, Russia will be losing Wagner soon.

dont know about that, i think they can prop it up for quite a while. you can do a lot with exchange rate manipulation, money printing, and other central banking shenanigans.
the long term economic consequences of the situation are disastrous for russia, but i believe it will take many years until those consequences really start kicking in and are felt by the people at full force. but once it happens it will be very very ugly.

The problem with that is the Russians don't have the same situation as the US. The US can get away with it, but the Russians can't. They don't have the same situation in any way. It won't work for them. The only way the Russian have to decrease their deficit is by raising taxes. It probably won't take long for the Russian economy to collapse. It was being shored up by reserves. Just like the Russian military. Russia had an inheritance from their Soviet past and Putin has used that all up in Ukraine.

 

[AgendaPoster]

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[Fortyone]

It seems the Russian economy isn't doing so well. Losing Europe as a customer means they have lost over half of their revenue. The Russian economy might collapse before the war ends.

Rememer how all Europeans were supposed to freeze to death this winter because of super high gas prices? Back around late august ziggers wouldn't shut the fuck up about it, but it seems like they've been really quiet about that lately. I wonder why.

 

[Fait Accompli]

I've seen some analysts say that the failed attacks we've seen so far are the vaunted Russian offensive. But right now I think it's a little too early to say because both Russia and Ukraine are being hampered by the awful weather. Russia and Ukraine can still conduct small scale attacks like we've seen at the Bakhmut meat grinder, overall we may not really know until the weather starts letting up. Both sides have had quite a lot of time to dig in and make defensive positions.

Yeah, im pretty much on this. Its hard to say, i hope that this is a russian offensive thats just failing due to bad doctrine, no air support, lessened armored units and attacking mined and fortified positions. Im 100% confident tho that this is atleast a prelude or a limited Russian counter-offensive