Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[teriyakiburns]

Airlifts? Cant they just do what they currently do when bringing in supplies to keep the units going

I bet they could secure a safe passage fairly easy if it meant they they stopped the occupation

I'm not sure Russia would want to send any aircraft over Ukraine. I doubt they'd get permission to transit Romanian and Moldovan airspace to go around it.

 

[DumbDude43]

Airlifts? Cant they just do what they currently do when bringing in supplies to keep the units going

I bet they could secure a safe passage fairly easy if it meant they they stopped the occupation

airlift russian troops across ukraine? or airlift them across nato member romania? nato airspace is closed to russian planes at the moment, as is ukraine obviously.

i don't think their garrison in transnistria is getting any resupplies from russia itself at the moment. they're sitting on huge ammo stashes from soviet times, and they probably source non military supplies (food, medicine, electronics etc) from the locals.

 

[Snekposter]

airlift russian troops across ukraine? or airlift them across nato member romania? nato airspace is closed to russian planes at the moment, as is ukraine obviously.

i don't think their garrison in transnistria is getting any resupplies from russia itself at the moment. they're sitting on huge ammo stashes from soviet times, and they probably source non military supplies (food, medicine, electronics etc) from the locals.

And probably pay the locals using said ammo stash.

 

[Fait Accompli]

airlift russian troops across ukraine? or airlift them across nato member romania? nato airspace is closed to russian planes at the moment, as is ukraine obviously.

i don't think their garrison in transnistria is getting any resupplies from russia itself at the moment. they're sitting on huge ammo stashes from soviet times, and they probably source non military supplies (food, medicine, electronics etc) from the locals.

I meant across the Black Sea into Crimea, avoiding any territorial waters and coast based missile systems
I guess it was optimistic lol

 

[CuzinEd]

Zeihan said with the US claiming Russia has committed war crimes there is no longer a diplomatic solution to the war at any level. Russia and Ukraine will have to fight it out. There isn't much of a chance Western companies will do business with Russia again any time soon. The Chinese are making noise that they might start helping Russia in some way. I don't think Zeihan means militarily. China could see sanctions put on them as well. I think China should have had some sanctions placed on them for the way they handled Covid. But it will be interesting to see what happens.

Rememer how all Europeans were supposed to freeze to death this winter because of super high gas prices? Back around late august ziggers wouldn't shut the fuck up about it, but it seems like they've been really quiet about that lately. I wonder why.

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That was always nothing but bullshit spread by the Russian government and repeated by vatnigger retards. Winter is almost over now. The Europeans didn't freeze to death. Paying more for heating is about all the discomfort they felt. It sucked but they didn't freeze. It was just Russians trying to do a fear campaign.

I just realized it's going to be a full year of this war. Since Putin is most likely going to give a speech during the anniversary, since he's so into political symbolism, I really wonder what he's going to announce soon

Also, remember all the retards and Ziggers saying Ukraine was going to fall in "days, no, hours"? LMAO

You could tell from the first week of the war things weren't going as planned. When I started seeing videos of Russian tanks and armored vehicles out fuel sitting on the sides of the roads and Russians driving around aimlessly and lost because they lacked GPS systems I knew things were going to be bad for them. As a Millennial who lived through America's War on Terror and especially Bush's war in Iraq it's got to suck being the Russians sent off to die for no reason. Ukraine is basically Russia's Iraq. Just like America they thought the Ukrainians would greet them with open arms. Just like the US they were fed bad intelligence. Though in the case of US the intelligence being faulty was most likely complete total bullshit.

Are Ziggers alright? Like nearly every post I make that is the war in Ukraine is basically stagnated/both sides have issues gets negrated. Like are the Z people okay?

Yeah but those same people forgot that they wasted all their resources they used assaulting Mariupol. They also wasted those resources and valuable manpower with their Kiev/KYIV feint. But yes Russia is stronk it never fails. If you don't support Russia in the war you're evil.

The Europeans are getting oil and gas through turkieye, the north sea, and the US.


I mean for once I'm actually convinced the Americans would have blown up the pipeline. Not saying we did it 100% but chances are we did it.

Don;t worry about it. All the down votes on your post don't do anything. It's just salty vatniggers doing autistic screeching. It's a placebo so they don't spend their time filling up moderator's inboxes with messages whining about what you posted and how they want you banned because of it. It's Reddit tier faggotry.

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There was a pro-Russian parade in Germany and counter protesters showed up and played circus clown music from the speakers.

That's pretty fucking cringey. Marching in the streets for a country that isn't even your own and for a war your country isn't even involved in.

I wasn't even picking a slap fight with them initially I was attempting to argue in good faith that the situation isn't rosy and the idea that 20k Russians dead 6milloon ukies dead and will collapse tomorrow is utter nonsense. But alas I guess never argue with a demoralized person.


The idea that this Entire war was based on Russophobia is sad. Unfortunately it's always dangerous when leaders begin to swallow their own bullshit propaganda. It almost always I mean always leads to a war.

Like I said it's just salty vatniggers. Don't let them get to you.

I decided to jump in because it's quiet at the moment. The US is capable of winning the Ukraine conflict and destroying global trust in the ability of the Russia/China Alliance. However they will need to throw everything NATO has into it, and they currently don't have the infrastructure for it. And it will cost a fucking fortune. And by the end of it, everyone in the West will be looking around wondering if it was worth it due to hyperinflation.

Trump already warned them of this path. But the US administrative State thought he was just a stupid NY Plumber in a fancy suit. And that the good times would keep rolling forever.

Have a nice day.

I doubt they will need to throw everything NATO has into Ukraine. The Russians aren't doing so well. They will probably be pushed out of Ukraine eventually.

Acording to Yahoo news, russian leaked "documents" lay out plan to get total control over belarus in the next ten years.
snippet from article:

Revealed: Leaked document shows how Russia plans to take over Belarus

The document, written for Putin’s Presidential Administration, envisages the total incorporation of Belarus into a “Union State” with Russia by 2030.

news.yahoo.com

Leaked document shows how Russia plans to take over Belarus

archived 21 Feb 2023 00:35:17 UTC

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The ukranians who are training on the Leo tanks really like it.
snippet:

Leopard tanks like a Mercedes, says Ukrainian soldier training in Germany

A Ukrainian soldier compared Germany's Leopard 2 tanks to a Mercedes as he underwent training with them ahead of their arrival on the battlefield, saying he hoped they would bring a breakthrough in the war.

www.reuters.com

Leopard tanks like a Mercedes, says Ukrainian soldier training in Ger…

archived 20 Feb 2023 18:09:33 UTC

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Here I thought that the Ukranians were too stupid to learn how to use western weaponry.
Was it just bullshit

Russia just can't seem to leave its Eastern European neighbors alone. Even ones that are friendly to them. But I know, Russia does nothing wrong.

 

[DumbDude43]

I meant across the Black Sea, avoiding any territorial waters and coast based missile systems
I guess it was optimistic lol

moldova is landlocked, no getting in from the sea.

on some maps it sometimes looks like it has a tiny access point to the black sea, but it actually doesn't, ukraine and romania own the whole shoreline.

 

[Fait Accompli]

moldova is landlocked, no getting in from the sea.
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on some maps it sometimes looks like it has a tiny access point to the black sea, but it actually doesn't, ukraine and romania own the whole shoreline.

Lmao thats embarassing, i thought the occupied region had access, nvm then

I still think it could be a constructive step, letting the russians pull out in exchange for ending the Transnistria arc of the post cold war show, without any bloodshed.

 

[AgendaPoster]

They're not leaving, and there won't be a war there, 99.9

Lmao thats embarassing, i thought the occupied region had access, nvm then

I still think it could be a constructive step, letting the russians pull out in exchange for ending the Transnistria arc of the post cold war show, without any bloodshed.

They will not pull out.
Transnistria and Moldova are not very relevant, IMO. I will admit to being wrong if something happens, which I doubt it will.
Moldova does NOT want a war, and will NOT provoke Russia, seen some videos like from Denys Davydov making pretty wild claims about what might happen.
The Russians in Transnistria will remain there, they are best used as another Donbas, for the future, and to link up with an eventual Russian south Ukraine success.
Moldova is poor and quite isolated, and very small, like 2-3M people. It cannot face Russia in any substantial way. The country is not as Western as presented in the MSM, it has large numbers of pro-Russia people, and it has been subjected to decades and decades of Russification, with natives deported to Siberia and Russians brought in.
There is no way Putin will renounce Russia's ability to destabilize the area.

 

[Trig.Point]

Russian reports of uniformed Ukrainian personnel, "Little blue men" are being dismissed despite videos appearing. Zelenski was on state radio declaring no Ukrainin armed forces were in Transnistria, but that Transnistria was historically an integral part of Ukraine.
this is a shit post about Russia in Crimea

There are a lot of ethnic Ukrainians living in Transnistria, a Ukrainian intervention to protect them would be at least as justified as Putins in 2014.

I'm amazed it hasn't become a focal point for the war up until this point, I suspect that's a benefit of having a country essentially run by a Mafia, they're very focused on business as usual.

It'll ultimately come down to what the EU and US want to happen, if they give Ukraine the green light, there'll be a lot of Russian POW's dead ethnic Russian Moldovans, and a population looking to get EU citizenship. Moldova will even be able to flood the area with people that fled in the 90's to promote the liberation.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Speaking about this anyone want to see some more hilarious Z cope. Nearly one year in from 2 weeks to take Kyiv. Yet somehow America is the collapsing superpower that's not even as powerful as Brazil.
I never knew I could laugh at such cope.

It's just that hilarious. The Yanks are flexing to the point where Biden showed his face in Kyiv. Which goes to show that the entire western world knows how weak Russia is, that the current "leader of the free world" shows his face in an active war zone. Sure, it's a "war zone" with air raid sirens blaring, but the chances of Russia winning are so low that they were certain nothing would happen to Biden if he showed his face in Kyiv.

The Z-tards have to cry about America "losing" to the Taliban, as if the Russians under the USSR (which remember, was Russia, plus Ukraine, plus several other nations, with the Warsaw Pact countries as allies) didn't also have a similar loss. They have to make that push to convince themselves that there is still hope for their daddy Putin to win in Ukraine. Even though Biden showing his face in Kyiv is practically the NATO equivalent of doing an extra lap in a marathon while the others have yet to reach the finish line, because you've already won, and you wish to rub it in the faces of the other players.

 

[draggs]

Speaking about this anyone want to see some more hilarious Z cope. Nearly one year in from 2 weeks to take Kyiv. Yet somehow America is the collapsing superpower that's not even as powerful as Brazil.
I never knew I could laugh at such cope.

lol

lmao even

I thought this kinda stuff was just fun trolling but they really cope it in earnest

 

[LeChampion1992]

Jack still remembers how to count, that's reassuring. Is he still carrying water for Kremlin?

Nah he took the Ukraine is cringe like at first but he's remained more or less quiet on the war.

So you're proposing that Germany should become like Russia to show people who support Russia how bad Russia is? Do you understand that supporting a country in one situation doesn't automatically mean you condone or support their every other action/situation? For example, you can think freedom of speech is great, but still support Russia in the conflict in question. Or is everything black and white with you?


Yeah, freedom of speech is like that. You're allowed to voice your opinion without the government cracking down on you.


I'm not even sure what this means.

Germany again isn't the US or UK. I'm for mockery and laughing at people. But Germans are sensitive like Russians to words.

This is not the slapfight thread. Wanna fool around with freeze peach, make the damn topic, I'm sure it was never discussed here.
We get threadbanned from going to your Russia safety cocoon.
I know it's hard to respect the rules, I know it's genetic, but there is no other way.
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Wagner PMC seems to be sabotaged. Maybe Russian authorities started to fear it?
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But but but we're all queer NATO shills who are also Uber evil neo Nazis who want to rape kids and satanic according to that other thread. I already had heard in Mass Debates that the US needs to stop larping as a super power. Apparently according to Z people the US has no resources and is a second rate power that's weaker then Brazil.
We lost to goat herders in Afghanistan the other thread believes the US will collapse.

Interesting that she implies the Mk 19 is better than the AGS. I recall then Mk 19 being awkward to reload and charge while being a unreliable mess, but that may have been the armorers slacking off. The AGS must be a shittier system if the Mk 19 is getting praise. So much for the superior designed and rugged Russian weapons.

At the end of the Day this war is proving that US gear and equipment is not only not crap but quite effective. But also the fact that you're seeing Scoot and shoot methods using pickup trucks

 

[mindlessobserver]

Bald and Bankrupt went to Moldova. It's a literal shithole country run by thieves.

 

[LeChampion1992]

The West may be a political clusterfuck, but somehow we just hated Russia enough to sort our shit out, at least for now and at least concerning this invasion.

For sure. Its just a gay virtue signal that does absolutely nothing.

I need you to think about the intelligence of the typical lower enlisted in the West, then compare that to the intelligence of your typical Slav. If anything, the Slav comes off slightly smarter.

"Declining regional power"? He does realize we have the largest (USN) and second largest (USMC) carrier navies in the world, right? Meanwhile Russia has all of one carrier that can't even carry out combat operations and needs a support fleet of tugs in case it breaks down while at sea. This is like a Frenchman in the 1800's saying that after the British Empire got BTFO'd in a brush war in Africa by some angry tribesmen that the sun was going to start setting on it any minute now.

Of course, the really funny part is that the USSR was also forced to leave Afghanistan, and much sooner, and unlike the USA they shared a land border.

I know exactly what you mean. Like I thought there was dumb shit last year when the war began with ghost of Kyiv and some of the Cope. But to ignore the sheer fact that the US can actually project power anywhere it wants in the world Ie drop a division of marines anywhere in the world within 72-96 hours. Russia doesn't have the ability to send a carrier off the coast of Cuba to protect its ally in case a war breaks out in the same way the US could park nearly it's pacific fleet one week in Japan and the next move it entirely to the Philippines.
The only thing I can give the soviets is the fact that they left in a orderly fashion the last APC into Uzbekistan was welcomed and the mujahedeen more or less threw the Russians a parade.

It's just that hilarious. The Yanks are flexing to the point where Biden showed his face in Kyiv. Which goes to show that the entire western world knows how weak Russia is, that the current "leader of the free world" shows his face in an active war zone. Sure, it's a "war zone" with air raid sirens blaring, but the chances of Russia winning are so low that they were certain nothing would happen to Biden if he showed his face in Kyiv.

The Z-tards have to cry about America "losing" to the Taliban, as if the Russians under the USSR (which remember, was Russia, plus Ukraine, plus several other nations, with the Warsaw Pact countries as allies) didn't also have a similar loss. They have to make that push to convince themselves that there is still hope for their daddy Putin to win in Ukraine. Even though Biden showing his face in Kyiv is practically the NATO equivalent of doing an extra lap in a marathon while the others have yet to reach the finish line, because you've already won, and you wish to rub it in the faces of the other players.

This administration was able to magically spin a war in their favor and unlike the last couple times this time their wagging the dog succeeded. Someone somewhere has a clue in DC what's going on.

lol

lmao even

I thought this kinda stuff was just fun trolling but they really cope it in earnest

Yeah at first I thought it was literal trolling but unfortunately you can tell some of the posters are way too emotionally invested.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

But but but we're all queer NATO shills who are also Uber evil neo Nazis who want to rape kids and satanic according to that other thread. I already had heard in Mass Debates that the US needs to stop larping as a super power. Apparently according to Z people the US has no resources and is a second rate power that's weaker then Brazil.
We lost to goat herders in Afghanistan the other thread believes the US will collapse.

ngl coming here to cry about what vatnigs and russiaboos said in another thread is kinda cringe

 

[mindlessobserver]

I know exactly what you mean. Like I thought there was dumb shit last year when the war began with ghost of Kyiv and some of the Cope. But to ignore the sheer fact that the US can actually project power anywhere it wants in the world Ie drop a division of marines anywhere in the world within 72-96 hours. Russia doesn't have the ability to send a carrier off the coast of Cuba to protect its ally in case a war breaks out in the same way the US could park nearly it's pacific fleet one week in Japan and the next move it entirely to the Philippines.
The only thing I can give the soviets is the fact that they left in a orderly fashion the last APC into Uzbekistan was welcomed and the mujahedeen more or less threw the Russians a parade.

This administration was able to magically spin a war in their favor and unlike the last couple times this time their wagging the dog succeeded. Someone somewhere has a clue in DC what's going on.

Yeah at first I thought it was literal trolling but unfortunately you can tell some of the posters are way too emotionally invested.

It's an old cope, but it checks out.

 

[870EVO]

@CuzinEd

That was always nothing but bullshit spread by the Russian government and repeated by vatnigger retards. Winter is almost over now. The Europeans didn't freeze to death. Paying more for heating is about all the discomfort they felt. It sucked but they didn't freeze. It was just Russians trying to do a fear campaign.

That was due to a prediction that if Europe had a colder winter than usual. The people attempting to save money on heating, especially the old, such a small temperature drop for the elderly dramatically increases the chance for a respriatory issue. And could lead to death. If there was a colder winter they projected over 100,000 deaths.

Luckily, though that didn't happen. But they'll keep dropping domestic oil/gas output to get better ESG scores. Which will continue to increase energy prices.

 

[Trig.Point]

Interesting that she implies the Mk 19 is better than the AGS. I recall then Mk 19 being awkward to reload and charge while being a unreliable mess, but that may have been the armorers slacking off. The AGS must be a shittier system if the Mk 19 is getting praise. So much for the superior designed and rugged Russian weapons.

For the MK 19 f the operator is a retard it jams, either because he hasn't cleaned it properly (because it needs a lot of cleaning) or he fires too long a burst. This is a problem in US/UK armies because the gunner is usually a junior soldier and not the vehicle commander like in the French Army.

I've only seen the AGS fire once, and it jammed twice and was cleared quickly both times... but it fired this filthy belt of rounds that had been knocking around in a tin for who know how long. Also the gunner was an actual retard.... and it was ground fired another retard carried the tripod and ammo, which the British Army at least would never do with MK 19 .

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

such a small temperature drop for the elderly dramatically increases the chance for a respriatory issue. And could lead to death. If there was a colder winter they projected over 100,000 deaths.

First you throw out crypto-Biden talking points, now you are throwing out crypto-Fauci/Ferguson talking points...

 

[870EVO]

First you throw out crypto-Biden talking points, now you are throwing out crypto-Fauci/Ferguson talking points...

Yes thats right. That's all we are here, mouthpieces for particular ideologies. Not people.