People eat those parts for the same reason most people throughout history weren't eating red meat every day: cows and cow parts were expensive. Some poor indentured servant or peasant farmer was primarily only going to have access to less expensive, less desirable parts of an animal carcass. Organ dishes are found all over the world for that reason.
To this point, this is why when Europeans immigrated to the United States their adaptations of their home cuisine universally have way more meat and dairy. No more organs, scraps, blood or fillers. Probably most notable in Italian-American cuisine and Tex-Mex vs. Italian cuisine and Mexican cuisine.
A carnivore diet doesn't appeal to me too much but it doesn't really bother me either, I imagine it's a hell of a lot better than HCFS, processed pasteurized cheese food product and canola oil. Aside from that cursed meat slurry bread that is, but that was more execution than anything.
However, the people eating rotting raw meat are retarded and should be universally mocked before they kill someone.
To this point, this is why when Europeans immigrated to the United States their adaptations of their home cuisine universally have way more meat and dairy. No more organs, scraps, blood or fillers. Probably most notable in Italian-American cuisine and Tex-Mex vs. Italian cuisine and Mexican cuisine.
A carnivore diet doesn't appeal to me too much but it doesn't really bother me either, I imagine it's a hell of a lot better than HCFS, processed pasteurized cheese food product and canola oil. Aside from that cursed meat slurry bread that is, but that was more execution than anything.
However, the people eating rotting raw meat are retarded and should be universally mocked before they kill someone.
Cancer doesn't usually kill you before you can reproduce, how the hell would they have gone extinct. All you have to do to keep the species going is fuck and drop a baby. Not to mention hunter/GATHERERS ate more than just meat.
Literally nobody cares about a pop science book author, and if anybody is quoting that shit as a source they are a moron.
As for the primary lit, here you go. I'm sure actual science is just the big stupid though, it's all a conspiracy against the clearly enlightened one.
Red meat and processed meat consumption has been hypothesized to increase risk of cancer, but the evidence is inconsistent. We performed a systematic review and meta-analysis of prospective studies to summarize the evidence of associations between consumption of red meat (unprocessed), processed...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
"This comprehensive systematic review and meta-analysis study showed that high red meat intake was positively associated with risk of breast cancer, endometrial cancer, colorectal cancer, colon cancer, rectal cancer, lung cancer, and hepatocellular carcinoma, and high processed meat intake was positively associated with risk of breast, colorectal, colon, rectal, and lung cancers. Higher risk of colorectal, colon, rectal, lung, and renal cell cancers were also observed with high total red and processed meat consumption."
Except this is secondary literature, as it's a review and not an actual study. Another thing that should be pointed out is that a lot of the cancers mentioned can be caused by excess fat and salt consumption. To the retards going on about colon cancer from red meat. Asians have the highest rate and it's not from overconsumption of red meat, but overconsumption of salt.
EDIT: there is something I would consider, that being that for section 3 I'd use actually whacky pseudoscience like "calories don't matter on carnie" from carnivorecoachpayton or maybe liver king's "the stronger the animal the more strength you get from it"
but at the same time i feel that no matter how wacky the pseudoscience there's still gonna be one guy who'll show up saying bUt iT mAKeS sENsE a la flat earther
Another question: in your opinion, what should the thread be about? My vision for it has always been to laugh at the food abominations and health problems when people fuck it up - not "haha, they said cholesterol doesn't matter, they are wrong, lmao!"
Except this is secondary literature, as it's a review and not an actual study. Another thing that should be pointed out is that a lot of the cancers mentioned can be caused by excess fat and salt consumption. To the retards going on about colon cancer from red meat. Asians have the highest rate and it's not from overconsumption of red meat, but overconsumption of salt.
It's a meta-analysis, not a review. Puts many primary studies in one place and does unique statistical analysis. I figured the uptake would be easier, but I guess not.
I stumbled upon carnivorecoachpeyton on tiktok while researching loons for the OP. She claims to have lost a whole bunch of weight on carnie.
If she looks familiar, it might be that I included her ranting about how calories don't matter on carnie in the OP; as well as her talking about how big pharma wants you to eat plants to stay sick.
Not that I don't like the fact that she lost weight (it is usually a good thing, unless anorexic or something) but the way she describes her old diet, it feels like anything but going full Nikocado wouldve helped her lose weight. Could carnivore have helped her? Yes, because cutting out processed, hyperpalatable junk is usually good, and protein is satiating and has a high thermic effect. Did carnivore help her? Yes, she lost the weight and it shows. But is she proof that carnivore is optimal? Not necessarily.
It's a meta-analysis, not a review. Puts many primary studies in one place and does unique statistical analysis. I figured the uptake would be easier, but I guess not.
I stumbled upon carnivorecoachpeyton on tiktok while researching loons for the OP. She claims to have lost a whole bunch of weight on carnie. View attachment 4593144
If she looks familiar, it might be that I included her ranting about how calories don't matter on carnie in the OP; as well as her talking about how big pharma wants you to eat plants to stay sick.
Not that I don't like the fact that she lost weight (it is usually a good thing, unless anorexic or something) but the way she describes her old diet, it feels like anything but going full Nikocado wouldve helped her lose weight. Could carnivore have helped her? Yes, because cutting out processed, hyperpalatable junk is usually good, and protein is satiating and has a high thermic effect. Did carnivore help her? Yes, she lost the weight and it shows. But is she proof that carnivore is optimal? Not necessarily. View attachment 4593161
A meta analysis is basically scientists taking a whole bunch of studies and saying, well, overall they say this.
So I'd argue a meta-analysis is actually more convincing than a single primary study
Maybe I'm retarded but I can't really see much of a difference in the before/after pics. At most it looks like she's using a filter/put on more makeup to me.
Apologies for double posting, but in the interest of keeping true to the thread subtitle and not have this devolve into a debate/sperg thread, I have ventured out to find more carnivore recipe monstrocities. The harvest was plentiful.
First up, here's Ketogenic Woman with a different variation of the ground beef soup recipe. It literally only contains ground beef and leftover juices from ribs they had the other night (but she says you can use beef/bone broth), so already leaps and bounds better than the milk and meat soup atrocity from the OP.
"I know some of you out there are going to have [the ground beef] pink, but I like to cook it through..."
I know conceptually that ground beef and leftover rib juices doesn't even sound bad at all, but just having ground beef in some liquid sounds very unappealing to me. She says that the soup doesn't trigger any of her gut issues, so good for her I suppose.
She's also made carnivore pasta. It's ground up pork rinds, cream cheese (I guess since it's cheese it's allowed, but doesn't cream cheese have sugar and other stuff in it as well?), eggs and parmesan. It looks fine, but I doubt it tastes like pasta at all. Really it's the same issue that vegan replacement food has. It will probably just make you miss the real thing.
Now she seems like a very nice lady and a competent cook as well, so let's move onto something far worse. The meat and... well no potatoes are to be served here, I guess.
Here's a channel called Ancestral Healing, who has aparently been a carnivore for 3 years and most of her videos focus on that (as well as keto).
She calls this a "meat donut", but it's essentially just a very sad burger with a hole in the middle. The ingredients are just ground beef, egg, and salt. But unlike a normal human, she doesn't mix the egg and the beef together, she just cracks the egg into the hole at the end. She also adds in the salt while the meat is already cooking so none of it actually seasons anything. Just for that dream of seasoning, you know?
She comments how the thing basically breaks apart in the end. Wow, I am so shocked. Wonder if the egg could help with that?
I am warning you, if you've ever made a burger... or actually stepped into a kitchen in general, this video is genuinely disturbing. Viewer discretion is adviced.
She's made 6 "What I eat in a day" videos. Here's the first one. I'm not sure my heart can take the other ones.
Breakfast is chicken feet broth (actually salted, aparently), tells us how great it is that chicken feet are very cheap "It's the part nobody wants!". She adds prawns and eggs to this.
And heeeere's the money shot!
Up next is an "egg custard". If she held a gun to my head and told me to choose out of all the meals displayed in this video, I would probably go with this. Looks okay. Like a flan but with a more "scrambled egg" texture. She has a recipe for this on her channel but I haven't seen it yet. Is it too crass to assume that it's just eggs, eggs, and more eggs?
Finally, we have... well I don't know what the fuck this is. She calls it a "meater bowl", I think? It's ground beef (of course), eggs (of course), prawn shrimp added in because why the fuck not? Halloumi cheese. Naturally. Of course. And this just wouldn't be complete without a beautiful bone marrow garnish. The halloumi is all melted by the end. I didn't even think halloumi cheese could melt.
Frankly this whole thing has made me never want to touch ground beef again. Truly the perfect thread to read right before lent.
Apologies for double posting, but in the interest of keeping true to the thread subtitle and not have this devolve into a debate/sperg thread, I have ventured out to find more carnivore recipe monstrocities. The harvest was plentiful.
First up, here's Ketogenic Woman with a different variation of the ground beef soup recipe. It literally only contains ground beef and leftover juices from ribs they had the other night (but she says you can use beef/bone broth), so already leaps and bounds better than the milk and meat soup atrocity from the OP.
"I know some of you out there are going to have [the ground beef] pink, but I like to cook it through..."
I know conceptually that ground beef and leftover rib juices doesn't even sound bad at all, but just having ground beef in some liquid sounds very unappealing to me. She says that the soup doesn't trigger any of her gut issues, so good for her I suppose.
She's also made carnivore pasta. It's ground up pork rinds, cream cheese (I guess since it's cheese it's allowed, but doesn't cream cheese have sugar and other stuff in it as well?), eggs and parmesan. It looks fine, but I doubt it tastes like pasta at all. Really it's the same issue that vegan replacement food has. It will probably just make you miss the real thing.
Now she seems like a very nice lady and a competent cook as well, so let's move onto something far worse. The meat and... well no potatoes are to be served here, I guess.
@ the carnie pasta
You will never be a real noodle. You have no carbohydrates, you have no gluten, fine you have eggs, I'll give you that. You are a soggy knockoff cheeto, a crude mockery of Frito-Lay's research and development, twisted by food processing into a crude mockery of Italy's perfection.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your makers are disgusted and ashamed of you, people that eat you laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.
Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even carnie foods which “pass” taste strange and unnatural to a man. Your texture is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy to eat you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he sees how much saturated fat you contain.
You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear, your makers will take you to a trashcan and you will plunge into the cold abyss.
This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
Liverking is hardly a part of carnivore communities, he was rarely seen outside of his grift-sphere where he was hanging out with high profile podcasters promoting his grift.
In fact, long, long before shit hit the fan, he was mocked by (I don't quite remember who, but I bet it was Shawn Baker) carnivore bloggers for having plastic surgeries.
Liverking is hardly a part of carnivore communities, he was rarely seen outside of his grift-sphere where he was hanging out with high profile podcasters promoting his grift.
In fact, long, long before shit hit the fan, he was mocked by (I don't quite remember who, but I bet it was Shawn Baker) carnivore bloggers for having plastic surgeries.
Oh yeah, who wasn't mocking the Liver King? From day 0 it was obvious the dude was on roids and people were calling him out on it, and he just kept doubling down on it. But what plastic surgery was he being accused of having? A lot of guys accused him of ab implants, some guys said ab etching. But anyway, regarding Liver King and him not quite fitting in and thus being "hardly a part of carnivore communities", I guess it's mainly down to "ideology" and "the carnivore orthodoxy", in a sense he's a part of the carnivore community because he eats an extremely meat-heavy diet, even if a lot of people in the community hate him.
Let me try to explain how I think about this using an example I consider analogous: I suppose you're aware of the "COVID conspiracy theorists and other idiots" thread. And I'm sure you're aware of "orthodox COVID conspiracy theorists" - people who think Ivermectin works and the government is trying to suppress it, people who think the vaccines have severe and widespread (or at least more severe and widespread than is officially claimed) side effects that were covered up, and so on. And they form a happy little community where they interview each other and talk about the latest measures, through that lens.
Along comes a man named Bryan Ardis. Bryan believes that the government is hiding some things about COVID. He also believes the vaccine is snake venom and the antichrist, making his beliefs incompatible with the "orthodox COVID conspiracy theorists". Someone in the thread wrote about him here.
And the other guys hate him for it. They do not agree with him. They think he's spreading bullshit.
Here’s A Different Doctor’s Take on the COVID-Snake Venom Hypothesis
blogs.mercola.com
But he's still a COVID conspiracy theorist. Sure, he's not an Orthodox COVID conspiracy theorist, and hardly a part of the "COVID conspiracy theorist" community. But he still talks bullshit and is funny, and the guys in the thread had a good laugh at him.
And since I view things through this lens, I don't quite understand why Liver King and Paul Saladino being "heretics" in the carnivore community disqualifies them from being in this thread.
I suppose if i wanted to be really specific about it I'd title the thread "carnivore community and other meat eating loons" or something but to the "untrained" eye, theyre one big amorphous blob or something
Hence former vegans reporting that they were never full and would have to sit around all day eating.
The concepts of both paleo and veganism are based on the incorrect assumption that we are descended from apes. Vegans think we should eat what monkeys do, and it's nonsense because we were never monkeys, which is why we are not able to chew and digest most raw vegetables.
Paleo assumes that proto-humans who'd barely ceased being monkeys, lived in caves for great lengths of time and for some reason we should eat the same diet as a people who were living in an ice age during which fresh vegetables were not plentiful and meat was in good supply.
Both sides are wrong. Humans were created fully formed, and the ice age and resulting cave dwelling culture were results of the Flood and humans having to live in a shattered, post-apocalyptic world.
I found a page that lists 17+ IRRESISTIBLE CARNIVORE DIET RECIPES! Some of this stuff would make the Epic Meal Time guys blush. Here's the archive but it saved with a stupid banner that covers 1/2 of the screen on it so you can't really read anything on it.
Here's a breakfast sausage with eggs that they have shoved in a waffle iron. The recipe says that they usually top this with peanut butter which is even more bizzarre
MORE MEAT!!!!! WE NEED MORE MEAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I should mention that a lot of these recipe links lead to dead websites/404s
Can anybody else hear crow noises and a Canadian yelling about gay bacon strips, or just me?
Calling this a "diet" just shouldn't be legal. The crust is made out of pork rinds, butter, and eggs. I guess that's the common way carnivores make their bread. I'm sure it's much healthier than that demonic "flour" powder. I don't doubt that it's delicious, though.
Here's the one recipe that should really be what being a carnivore is all about. Want to eat like Grug? Lay off the bacon and get in on those organs you fatty.
Why not have a nice refreshing glass of bone broth as a snack?
There's also a recipe for a Korean steamed egg/gyeran jjim which is almost normal but they decide to ruin it by adding jerky rub.
I found a page that lists 17+ IRRESISTIBLE CARNIVORE DIET RECIPES! Some of this stuff would make the Epic Meal Time guys blush. Here's the archive but it saved with a stupid banner that covers 1/2 of the screen on it so you can't really read anything on it.
Here's a breakfast sausage with eggs that they have shoved in a waffle iron. The recipe says that they usually top this with peanut butter which is even more bizzarre View attachment 4598398
I should mention that a lot of these recipe links lead to dead websites/404s View attachment 4598450
Can anybody else hear crow noises and a Canadian yelling about gay bacon strips, or just me? View attachment 4598452
Calling this a "diet" just shouldn't be legal. The crust is made out of pork rinds, butter, and eggs. I guess that's the common way carnivores make their bread. I'm sure it's much healthier than that demonic "flour" powder. I don't doubt that it's delicious, though. View attachment 4598453
Here's the one recipe that should really be what being a carnivore is all about. Want to eat like Grug? Lay off the bacon and get in on those organs you fatty. View attachment 4598454
Those are aberrations for sure, but there's just something about carnivore whipped cream consisting of whipping cream only (i.e basically the regular way to do it) that's funny to me. Marketing it like that is like saying "asbestos free bread".
But those breakfast tacos really are something from Epic Meal Time.
Oh yeah, who wasn't mocking the Liver King? From day 0 it was obvious the dude was on roids and people were calling him out on it, and he just kept doubling down on it. But what plastic surgery was he being accused of having? A lot of guys accused him of ab implants, some guys said ab etching. But anyway, regarding Liver King and him not quite fitting in and thus being "hardly a part of carnivore communities", I guess it's mainly down to "ideology" and "the carnivore orthodoxy", in a sense he's a part of the carnivore community because he eats an extremely meat-heavy diet, even if a lot of people in the community hate him.
Let me try to explain how I think about this using an example I consider analogous: I suppose you're aware of the "COVID conspiracy theorists and other idiots" thread. And I'm sure you're aware of "orthodox COVID conspiracy theorists" - people who think Ivermectin works and the government is trying to suppress it, people who think the vaccines have severe and widespread (or at least more severe and widespread than is officially claimed) side effects that were covered up, and so on. And they form a happy little community where they interview each other and talk about the latest measures, through that lens.
Along comes a man named Bryan Ardis. Bryan believes that the government is hiding some things about COVID. He also believes the vaccine is snake venom and the antichrist, making his beliefs incompatible with the "orthodox COVID conspiracy theorists". Someone in the thread wrote about him here.
And the other guys hate him for it. They do not agree with him. They think he's spreading bullshit.
But he's still a COVID conspiracy theorist. Sure, he's not an Orthodox COVID conspiracy theorist, and hardly a part of the "COVID conspiracy theorist" community. But he still talks bullshit and is funny, and the guys in the thread had a good laugh at him.
And since I view things through this lens, I don't quite understand why Liver King and Paul Saladino being "heretics" in the carnivore community disqualifies them from being in this thread.
I suppose if i wanted to be really specific about it I'd title the thread "carnivore community and other meat eating loons" or something but to the "untrained" eye, theyre one big amorphous blob or something
There's something else I've thought of, and that would be that if there's so much carnivore "heresy", maybe it points to the diet being hard to follow. (analogous: if 10% of students fail a test, they were probably shit students. If 90% of students fail a test, it was probably unreasonably hard.) It's incredibly restrictive, so people miss foods they used to have and then we have health effects, "keto flu", fat adaptation taking 9 weeks and all that. "That wasn't real carnivory" starts to look a bit more like a self-own through that lens.
