Huge megadump incoming. I have several things to document here, all related to Tantacrul and his video.
First, you may know that when I wrote the OP, I couldn't locate all the posts that Tantacrul referenced only as recreated graphics. I am now proud to announce Tantacrul has passed the bare, bottom of the barrel minimum of not completely making shit up (well, mostly), because I have managed to find 5 out of 6 of those posts.
At 7:26, he shows a post allegedly titled "I need to CTB tomorrow". The closest matching post is actually titled "Need to kill myself tomorrow". Don't know why he made it say "CTB" instead, maybe playing up the cult part because cults use acronyms?
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In the video he says the first reply is advice so specific and so graphic he couldn't possibly repeat it. And that advice is... getting a firearm. Literally nothing else. It's advice so general and vague it pains me to have to say this, but yes, guns do exist and are very good at killing people, and 99.99% of suicidal people will know this fact. I am severely disappointed that he played up this "graphic" advice that is literally just getting a gun. Holy shit.
At 7:55, he shows a post that he claims is titled "CTB today", and then claims that someone replied with "If you change your mind, call help ASAP", to which another member said "Why would you say THAT here?". The closest matching thread is titled "Just drank SN" and the posts are similar to what he describes.
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Except for one thing. In the video, he claims that the site administrator liked this post.
He never says who the site admin is but it'd be RainAndSadness, right? But none of the people who actually reacted to the post are RainAndSadness. In fact none of them are a staff member as far as I can tell:
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Of course it's possible R&S did react to the post, but then went through the trouble of finding the post and unreacted when Tantacrul's video came out. I very much doubt that though. And given that Tantacrul has made up blatantly false things (e.g. claiming that all of "Bobby C" a/k/a System64's online presence was deleted when it never was) I am not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here.
It's also possible that isn't the thread he was talking about at all. In which case it's still Tantacrul's fault for not providing links, archives or even actual screenshots, instead opting to recreate the graphics and reword every fucking thing under a delusion that he would prevent suicidal people from discovering the site through his video. (Which is also 100% wrong but I'll get to that later)
At 9:41, he shows the post of someone who is sorry to their mom, and someone replying who says she used them as a meat shield for their own good.
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What Tantacrul neglects to mention is that the poster who said "meat shield", eldiablo666, was banned less than a month later for telling a single mother that she deserved to kill herself.
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To be fair to Tantacrul, he likely just collected the posts in late November and didn't check back after. (almost all the posts he references in his video, even if he changes the dates around, were actually posted in late November, around the same time he found System64's suicide note and sperged out on the forum) but it's important to see the bigger picture here. Otherwise it's lying by omission.
Speaking of lying by omission, at 17:34 he shows a post where someone says "it should be assumed that anyone posting a goodbye thread or asking for advice on a method has already considered their 'options' to get better". The closest match is this post from CantDoItAnymore:
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Is the text that Tantacrul shows on screen
technically quoted from CantDoItAnymore? Yes. But he strips so much surrounding context from a very nuanced and complex post that I can't view this as anything other than being disingenuous. It's almost as blatant as hearing "They just want me to say 'Coolsville sucks'" and then saying "Fred Jones said 'Coolsville sucks'".
Also, literally no one reacted to their post, but in the video he shows 41 heart reactions. Wtf is up with that?
As an ironic aside, look who I found while searching up "Coolsville sucks":
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At 25:58, he shows a thread asking to take the forum private, with the site admin (RainAndSadness) saying there's not enough moderators to take care of the huge waves of new registrations. This one is pretty much accurate and it's in a private members only board (Forum Suggestions). Not much to say here.
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Now let's talk about the suicidal 17 year old Italian kid who unknowingly roped Tantacrul into this situation, SpentStardust / System64 / Matteo. (As an aside, this might be jumping to conclusions but I have the sinking feeling that if he knew he would end up causing all this to happen, he would've just wanted to kill himself even more)
First, for reference, here's a list of every thread he posted in or started:
With this you can see several things about him that Tantacrul excluded from the video, deliberately or not, either way lying by omission.
1. In "Train decapitation questions", people told him to not do it as it would involve an innocent party (the train driver and passengers), plus the high risk of it not killing him and instead paralyzing him or worse:
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In another thread he even says the train is not a great way to go and he was considering other methods:
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And he started a thread with SN questions but was never answered:
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I don't know about you but to me this all sounds like the exact opposite of encouragement.
2. He directly talks about how he circumvented the site being blocked in Italy:
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This should already have been obvious of course, but it doesn't hurt to see him explicitly spell it out.
3. Two months later he talked about how train, jumping, and electrocution were his three favourite suicide methods since he was ten:
Heavily implying that this kid was suicidal
since he was ten years old.
This thread even contains FuneralCry of all people saying that the train is a "horrific and terrifying way to leave this world":
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So basically, members on the site not only discouraged him from CTBing by train, but didn't even answer his SN questions. And of course, literally none of them knew he was 17 before he killed himself. This is a far cry from Tantarul's assertions (implied or otherwise) that members of the site just wanted to see a suicidal minor die.
Furthermore, restricting the site's access wouldn't have helped. If Matteo was smart enough to circumvent the Italy ban by using either VPN or Tor, then he'd very likely be smart enough to circumvent any ID verification scheme implemented (just use someone else's ID).
But besides even that,
suicide by train requires no instructions or assistance. I can't stress this point enough. Another assertion of Tantacrul's (implied or otherwise) is that the site provided him instructions for how to do it, so he wouldn't have done it without the site, but this is just completely wrong. Killing yourself by train is not hard. All you have to do is jump in front of it or lie down with your neck on the track. It doesn't take a fucking genius to do that. At any rate Matteo did most of the planning (like finding the best spot to do it in his city)
himself without the assistance of others, which Tantacrul neglected to mention:
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And finally, another point I can't stress enough,
this kid was suicidal since he was ten years old. Nowhere does Tantacrul ever mention that or take into consideration in his video. Apparently to him all that happened was Matteo just randomly got a suicidal urge for no reason in particular, then found SS who pushed him over the edge to do it. In reality the kid has had issues going on for over
seven years. A random Internet forum isn't responsible for his death.
Of course none of this addresses the reasons why he was suicidal. For that, I do not know. He never said what the issues he were dealing with were, and according to Tantacrul he never showed even a hint of being suicidal in his Discord (though Tantacrul doesn't think through the implications of this). So he likely never told them to anyone else IRL. There could be many reasons for that, but one of the most likely is that he would get involuntarily committed for doing so. Of course, Tantacrul never addresses that problem. In any case, I find it very highly likely that if SS didn't exist,
he would have simply gone through with his plan anyway. I also find it very highly likely that even if SS implemented the "reforms" Tantacrul wanted, he would've simply ignored them and still killed himself. It's very likely he has already been told "but have you considered, like, not killing yourself?" many times before.
And it's honestly kinda shameful Tantacrul puts so much focus on the website and basically none at all on why "Bobby C" might've wanted to die. It could be anything from breaking up with a girlfriend to strict pandemic lockdowns, none of which Tantacrul considers. It's like when people blame Byuu/Near's suicide baiting on his KF thread and not on the fact that he was isolated, living in a foreign country, taking DIY hormones and having some sort of disorder that makes him sensitive to criticism. Or Julie Terryberry's actual suicide on KF and not on her abusive boyfriend. I can't help but feel like it was a waste of effort to make a 46 minute long video and spend most of the time sperging about some website and not enough on why people might want to kill themselves.
Tantacrul's video has brought a lot of people to the site:
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Of course a lot also came from the NYT article too.
Not only is this a hilarious example of the Streisand effect, it also exemplifies how retarded you have to be to think that censoring something while reporting on it will do anything to prevent people from learning about it. All that Tantacrul succeeded in doing by never giving specific details on suicide methods and rewording every post he referenced was just make his argument weaker, by stripping away any nuance from people's words or simply lying by omission.
Last but not least let's address the possibility that
@jque_cm is Tantacrul.
I have to credit R&S for bringing it up:
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Now let's look at his first post in the thread:
All this debate about encouraging / helping...
Here's a post from today. Looks like help to me in the form of advice.
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Here's another (from today). fuck sake, it's not hard to find.
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And another from today from everyone's favourite fuckhead. Looks like encouragement to me (thread is 'I'm close to passing out from hanging'). This all took me three or four minutes to find. Can we stop arguing about this now?
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Further down the same thread:
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The first thing I noticed is that he spells "favourite" the british way. Then I decided to look at the timestamps of his screenshots. To do this I tracked down the posts he referenced:
You can check for yourself, the timestamps in his screenshots are UTC+0. Which is the timezone of the UK.
Another interesting thing, the account was registered after Tantacrul
ragequit from the forum. It almost seems like he wanted to get one last post in but couldn't do it on his Tantacrul account because it would contradict his "I'm leaving, hmph!!" message.
By the way, the screenshots look like they're distinctly taken on a macOS system, which Tantacrul also uses (you can just watch his videos).
At this point I could chalk it up to coincidence, but then
@jque_cm suddenly started posting again right as the SS suicide discussion board was made public:
Oh great, the monarch of the fucking idiots has arrived.
Apparently, Funeral Cry has been given warnings and the moderation has been absolutely great, actually.
Um...
One of the parents posted this recently and to be fair, this one has a point.
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So, for any 12 year old's who now stumble across this site (now that it's available to anyone of any age again), this person thinks if you want to kill yourself, that's just swell! Good job!
Seems to me that RaS is just a fucking moron, plain and simple. Or possibly just pretending in order to get back to the business of getting them kids.
One last thing: why is everyone believing the backstory? If I was the admin, you better believe I'd create a highly specific persona that was nothing like reality.
This really does sound like Tantacrul to me, I'm even reading it in his voice. He uses another british-ism ("swell") here too. But I think what really gets me is when he specifically talks about the OP:
Oh, don't worry. I don't think anything other that you are a pack of fucking dolts. Reading through this whole thing, seeing the conclusions you jump to. It's a fucking sight to see! The OP in particular is... special.
It's the same thing
@Tantacrul did. Only those two accounts have ever specifically criticized the OP.
So to sum up:
- Both spell words the british way and are in british timezones.
- @jque_cm joined KF after @Tantacrul ragequit.
- @jque_cm's screenshots are on a macOS system, Tantacrul uses macOS.
- @jque_cm and @Tantacrul are the only two to ever specifically dislike the OP.
I don't know guys, what do you think?
