The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[mrolonzo]

Your hypothetical doesn't really apply, because most of the POWS starved to death in 41-early 42, well before the allied bombing campaign hit its stride. Additionally the Germans were the ones invading, not being invaded.

But even in your hypothetical, assuming FDR's government was in power yes I think any POWs the Americans took would have been conscripted for forced labor, not allowed to starve to death en masse. If however, the American government had plans to colonize Germany and also viewed the Germans as racially undesirable, they may have made the same decision.

Oh for god sake. American pows starved in their civil war. That was fellow Americans.

mrolonzo I don't know why you're trying to get me to talk to people who even in your view are not "particularly assiduous about matters". You told me that if we ever talked my "bullshit would be over in seconds". I took this to mean you were eager to speak to me, but as I understand it this is not the case.

Dude. Firstly why dont you just quote my post and answer it in full?

Secondly. You've shown yourself not particularly assiduous about matters so I just thought Rizoli was a nice fit for you. Germar Rudolf obviously isnt what you're looking for.


I know what I'll gain and lose from talking to you. Why would you want to really talk to me?

This whole subject came up after mrolonzo's statement that normies, if properly informed, would be on board with the Nazis and any Nazi loving movement.

Yes. Thus the constant propaganda, falsehoods and demonising.

Purposely depriving imprisoned people of food leading to mass dying off is tantamount to murder, and in this case, it was millions of white people who were murdered.

Tactics of war rather than deliberate action as discussed. Conspiracy theory about the nazis refuted.

Mrolonzo accepts this historical reality and is in agreement with the policy; I doubt even most white nationalists are going to be on his side. Any takers on this forum?

Everyone is on my side in this because ive explained it clearly.

Himmler plainly says that the Nazis were quite willing to work white people (more specifically Russian women and children) to death when it was of benefit to the Reich. He also says that the deaths of the Soviet POWs (which totalled in the millions) was a good thing in the long run.

The point I am making from this is not about the Holocaust, strictly speaking; but about your (and Mike Enoch's) politics: calling yourself a "Nazi" is a historical anachronism. You are back-projecting your (white nationalist) political views onto the Nazis, who were anti-white (or more specifically anti-Slav).

And we have also from Chugger;

Also Himmler said 'steal' (according to Porter's translation) in reference to racially valuable non-German children. It's just another example of mrolonzo's delusions that he takes this to mean adopting kids held in orphanages, which are generally desperate to give them up.

Himmler plainly says that the Nazis were quite willing to work white people (more specifically Russian women and children) to death when it was of benefit to the Reich. He also says that the deaths of the Soviet POWs (which totalled in the millions) was a good thing in the long run.

The point I am making from this is not about the Holocaust, strictly speaking; but about your (and Mike Enoch's) politics: calling yourself a "Nazi" is a historical anachronism. You are back-projecting your (white nationalist) political views onto the Nazis, who were anti-white (or more specifically anti-Slav).

He is indeed a racialist. He just means taking orphans most likely. In fact the more I think about it. Definitely in fact when you realise he would want to keep order in his Reich and nearby too.

Moreover, this proves he is extremely pro white. Who is he wanting to take if necessary? The most nordic, the most Ayran, indeed the most white.

So not only is he pro white, he's really really really pro white. Even such that he wants to preserve the phenomena within the protective structure of the Reich. Today's nazis view the race struggle in terms not only of Europe but the wider world.

Thus another of your fake angles of attack is examined and found wanting.

 

[History Speaks]

BTW I just released a new video debunking denial. This video is on the "Where did they go?" problem, i.e. the inability of deniers to explain what happened to the millions of Jews who 'disappeared' in the Nazi camp system.

 

[mrolonzo]

BTW I just released a new video debunking denial. This video is on the "Where did they go?" problem, i.e. the inability of deniers to explain what happened to the millions of Jews who 'disappeared' in the Nazi camp system.

Already refuted in this thread.

 

[Chugger]

Oh for god sake. American pows starved in their civil war. That was fellow Americans.

12-15% casualties over the entire war and everyone, wherever their sympathies may lie, agrees this was a very bad thing.

Meanwhile the POW camps in Poland/Occupied USSR had ~90% casualty rate over 6 months or so, with millions dying. You call this a "tactic of war" on the previous page, but Himmler said it was regrettable on account of lost labor, which could have helped the war effort. There was a tactic here, but one to do with their long term plans for colonizing the area. Having less racial aliens around was desirable.

Are there any other white nationalists on this forum who want to defend this policy?

 

[mrolonzo]

12-15% casualties over the entire war and everyone, wherever their sympathies may lie, agrees this was a very bad thing.

Meanwhile the POW camps in Poland/Occupied USSR had ~90% casualty rate over 6 months or so, with millions dying. You call this a "tactic of war" on the previous page, but Himmler said it was regrettable on account of lost labor, which could have helped the war effort. There was a tactic here, but one to do with their long term plans for colonizing the area. Having less racial aliens around was desirable.

Are there any other white nationalists on this forum who want to defend this policy?

Tactic of war refers to your previous discussion about Soviets dying in leningrad which you guys determined was deliberate action. POWs dying was an issue of the dramatic thrust to the east. It was indeed regrettable on a number of fronts in the short term while obviously being a dramatic reduction of enemy fighting power in the long run.

 

[History Speaks]

Another thing that makes no sense about denier "resettlement" theory, which I did not mention in my video:

Jews had a very extensive apparatus of charitable organizations that supported Jewish refugees around the world. These organizations - such as the Jewish Distribution Community - provided aid to Jewish refugees from the US to the Soviet Union to Shanghai to Palestine to Latin America to British India. They also collected individualized data about the numbers of Jewish refugees in these various countries, as well accounts of how these Jews made it out of Nazi Germany or (during the war) Nazi-occupied Europe.

Why do these organizations - e.g. the JDC, which has an extensive archive - have no data on any Jews 'resettled' by the Nazis, or communities of such Jews? Why did they not provide these Jews aid?

To be a denier (or at least a promoter of the "resettlement" theory), you have to believe that these organizations - whose job was to locate and support Jewish refugees - apparently failed to locate entire communities of millions of Jews 'resettled' by the Nazis, or else destroyed all records of having located these Jews as part of a conspiracy.

 

[mrolonzo]

Another thing that makes no sense about denier "resettlement" theory, which I did not mention in my video:

Jews had a very extensive apparatus of charitable organizations that supported Jewish refugees around the world. These organizations - such as the Jewish Distribution Community - provided aid to Jewish refugees from the US to the Soviet Union to Shanghai to Palestine to Latin America to British India. They also collected individualized data about the numbers of Jewish refugees in these various countries, as well accounts of how these Jews made it out of Nazi Germany or (during the war) Nazi-occupied Europe.

Why do these organizations - e.g. the JDC, which has an extensive archive - have no data on any Jews 'resettled' by the Nazis, or communities of such Jews? Why did they not provide these Jews aid?

To be a denier (or at least a promoter of the "resettlement" theory), you have to believe that these organizations - whose job was to locate and support Jewish refugees - apparently failed to locate entire communities of millions of Jews 'resettled' by the Nazis, or else destroyed all records of having located these Jews as part of a conspiracy.

Why do I have to believe this?

 

[History Speaks]

Why do I have to believe this?

Because - as you have said on various occasions - you believe in denier "resettlement" theory, as do Mattogno, Rudolf, and ENoch.

 

[mrolonzo]

Because - as you have said on various occasions - you believe in denier "resettlement" theory, as do Mattogno, Rudolf, and ENoch.

I've said I believe there are significant Jewish settlements in the east post 45??

 

[History Speaks]

I've said I believe there are significant Jewish settlements in the east post 45??

The JDC was active during the Holocaust (1941-45), and identified Jewish refugees in the Philippines, British India, Shanghai, Kenya, etc and aided them. It identified exactly zero Jews who had been transited out of the AR camps and "resettled" by the Nazis.

So out of a supposed resettlement of 1.5 million Jews (from the AR camps), there was no trace found either during or after the war by the organizations whose job it was to find them.

 

[Chugger]

The JDC was active during the Holocaust (1941-45), and identified Jewish refugees in the Philippines, British India, Shanghai, Kenya, etc and aided them. It identified exactly zero Jews who had been transited out of the AR camps and "resettled" by the Nazis.

So out of a supposed resettlement of 1.5 million Jews (from the AR camps), there was no trace found either during or after the war by the organizations whose job it was to find them.

It's possible (though highly improbable and utterly inexplicable) that the Nazis would have refused aid for the resettled Jews, instead shouldering the burden of supplying millions of people with food, water, shelter themselves. Perhaps this is what mrolonzo thinks happened.

Anyway good point -- Jews received aid in places like Transnistria, so the question of why this didn't happen to by far the largest resettled group is another unanswerable for defenders of resettlement hypothesis.

 

[History Speaks]

Interestingly the Nazis actually allowed the JDC to provide aid to Polish Jews until late 1941; JDC and other external aid is a big reason why all the ghettoized Polish Jews didn't just die within a few months, since the Nazis were allocating them about 200 calories of food a day.

In December 1941 the Nazis kicked the JDC out and (according to mainstream historians/sane people generally) started exterminating Polish Jewry. I guess Zo thinks that the Nazis kicked them out and decided to provide for the Polish Jews - including "useless eaters", i.e. old people, kids, and so on - by themselves?

 

[mrolonzo]

The JDC was active during the Holocaust (1941-45), and identified Jewish refugees in the Philippines, British India, Shanghai, Kenya, etc and aided them. It identified exactly zero Jews who had been transited out of the AR camps and "resettled" by the Nazis.

So out of a supposed resettlement of 1.5 million Jews (from the AR camps), there was no trace found either during or after the war by the organizations whose job it was to find them.

Hmmmm.

In 45 thousands crowd into abominable dp camps and in the years directly following these camps saw further influxes of jews from central and eastern Europe, including, "Polish Jews who had returned from their wartime refuge in the Soviet Union only to flee once again (westward, this time) from renewed anti-Semitism and pogroms....".

At the same time it was "helping sustain tens of thousands of Jews who remained in Eastern Europe, as well as thousands of others living in the West outside the DP camps in Jewish communities".

Then in Palestine, where it had been helping illegal immigrantion of jews before ww2, it then helps jews get to Palestine after 1948 when Israel is declared and..."Among the new arrivals were 100,000 veterans of Europe's DP camps, less than half able-bodied adults. The remainder included the aged, sick, or disabled survivors of concentration camps. Tuberculosis was rampant."

So... we've already found the supposedly missing Jews. They're fleeing western, central and eastern Europe, and they're also staying in eastern Europe. They're also making it to Palestine as the 'aged, sick or disabled' that the nazis are supposed to be gassing on site..

So now we have the peddler angle regarding aid by an interest group;

It's possible (though highly improbable and utterly inexplicable) that the Nazis would have refused aid for the resettled Jews, instead shouldering the burden of supplying millions of people with food, water, shelter themselves. Perhaps this is what mrolonzo thinks happened.

Anyway good point -- Jews received aid in places like Transnistria, so the question of why this didn't happen to by far the largest resettled group is another unanswerable for defenders of resettlement hypothesis.

And....

Interestingly the Nazis actually allowed the JDC to provide aid to Polish Jews until late 1941; JDC and other external aid is a big reason why all the ghettoized Polish Jews didn't just die within a few months, since the Nazis were allocating them about 200 calories of food a day.

In December 1941 the Nazis kicked the JDC out and (according to mainstream historians/sane people generally) started exterminating Polish Jewry. I guess Zo thinks that the Nazis kicked them out and decided to provide for the Polish Jews - including "useless eaters", i.e. old people, kids, and so on - by themselves?

Well they obviously kicked out the jdc because they were at war with the USA, therefore the jdc were immediately suspect.

The nazis more than likely just kicked the jdc immediately and already had plans for the jews anyway, such as the various camps they housed and fed them all in, including the old, the kids and so on as is clearly shown in the documentary record.

 

[History Speaks]

"Among the new arrivals were 100,000 veterans of Europe's DP camps"

The number of Jews in the post-war Displaced Persons Camps (DPs) proves the exact opposite of what you wish it to prove.

After the war, the Allies accommodated Jewish survivors of the camps—as well as other European Jews who survived the war, most notably Polish-Jewish refugees who were deported to the Soviet interior in 1940 and repatriated by the Soviets to Europe after the war—in the DPs. The DPs had at most 300,000 total Jewish inmates, and probably close to 200,000 to 250,000. (Your source, which is completely compatible with mainstream historiography, indicates that 100,000 of these Jews were in Palestine after the declaration of a Jewish state in 1948.)

Contrast this figure of at most 300,000 Jews in DPs—which includes Nazi camp survivors PLUS repatriated Polish Jews that had been sent to the USSR in 1940—with the at least 3.3 million Jews we know were deported to the Nazi camp systems. (I explain in my most recent video how we know—from original German sources—the 3.3 million figure of Jewish deportees to be accurate.)

The main point is that the DPs—which included Nazi death-camp survivors PLUS the repatriates of Polish Jews sent to the USSR in 1940—contained only a tiny percentage of Jews sent to the Nazi camps.

Thus, the vast majority of Jews deported to the Nazi camps 'disappeared.' The Allies were unable to find them, nobody was able to find them. Only a tiny fraction (well under 10%) were found and taken to the DPs.

 

[mrolonzo]

The number of Jews in the post-war Displaced Persons Camps (DPs) proves the exact opposite of what you wish it to prove.

After the war, the Allies accommodated Jewish survivors of the camps—as well as other European Jews who survived the war, most notably Polish-Jewish refugees who were deported to the Soviet interior in 1940 and repatriated by the Soviets to Europe after the war—in the DPs. The DPs had at most 300,000 total Jewish inmates, and probably close to 200,000 to 250,000. (Your source, which is completely compatible with mainstream historiography, indicates that 100,000 of these Jews were in Palestine after the declaration of a Jewish state in 1948.)

Contrast this figure of at most 300,000 Jews in DPs—which includes Nazi camp survivors PLUS repatriated Polish Jews that had been sent to the USSR in 1940—with the at least 3.3 million Jews we know were deported to the Nazi camp systems. (I explain in my most recent video how we know—from original German sources—the 3.3 million figure of Jewish deportees to be accurate.)

The main point is that the DPs—which included Nazi death-camp survivors PLUS the repatriates of Polish Jews sent to the USSR in 1940—contained only a tiny percentage of Jews sent to the Nazi camps.

Thus, the vast majority of Jews deported to the Nazi camps 'disappeared.' The Allies were unable to find them, nobody was able to find them. Only a tiny fraction (well under 10%) were found and taken to the DPs.

I never said the dp jews were all or most Jews. As detailed in this thread, the ultimate figures are unclear or rather very imprecise. I simply demonstrate from your own source that Jews came from the east and also remain in the east, while also being aged, sick and disabled and making it to Palestine. Thus, along with the tech aspects of revisionism we have shown that Jews are not buried in e.g. Belzec.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

The number of Jews in the post-war Displaced Persons Camps (DPs) proves the exact opposite of what you wish it to prove.

After the war, the Allies accommodated Jewish survivors of the camps—as well as other European Jews who survived the war, most notably Polish-Jewish refugees who were deported to the Soviet interior in 1940 and repatriated by the Soviets to Europe after the war—in the DPs. The DPs had at most 300,000 total Jewish inmates, and probably close to 200,000 to 250,000. (Your source, which is completely compatible with mainstream historiography, indicates that 100,000 of these Jews were in Palestine after the declaration of a Jewish state in 1948.)

Contrast this figure of at most 300,000 Jews in DPs—which includes Nazi camp survivors PLUS repatriated Polish Jews that had been sent to the USSR in 1940—with the at least 3.3 million Jews we know were deported to the Nazi camp systems. (I explain in my most recent video how we know—from original German sources—the 3.3 million figure of Jewish deportees to be accurate.)

The main point is that the DPs—which included Nazi death-camp survivors PLUS the repatriates of Polish Jews sent to the USSR in 1940—contained only a tiny percentage of Jews sent to the Nazi camps.

Thus, the vast majority of Jews deported to the Nazi camps 'disappeared.' The Allies were unable to find them, nobody was able to find them. Only a tiny fraction (well under 10%) were found and taken to the DPs.

Did your sandnigger mother warn you not to discuss Muslims? Why aren't you calling out the demographics which wouldn't tolerate your Coptic family members?

No career prospects in that, huh? Why won't you call out current atrocities by Muslims, who persecuted your people? Why do you have to co-opt someone else's persecution to make your career in the laptop class? Do you care so little about your own people that you refuse to discuss or defend their persecution?

What's wrong, YouTube and Twitter not working out so you have to slum it in the Farms? Funny to watch you criticize Dore and Mate, clout chasing and hoping they'll shine a gleam of their fame on you, the whiny hamplanet in their mentions.

 

[Tren Shapiro]

This video is on the "Where did they go?" problem, i.e. the inability of deniers to explain what happened to the millions of Jews who 'disappeared' in the Nazi camp system.

The onus is on Jews to find the millions of lampshades and bars of soap their people were turned into. But regardless, I gotta give you credit for having the balls to start your channel. It couldn't have been easy showing your face on the internet and boldly reciting the state-approved history of WWII at zero risk to yourself and loved ones. Respect, nigga.

 

[History Speaks]

The onus is on Jews to find the millions of lampshades and bars of soap their people were turned into. But regardless, I gotta give you credit for having the balls to start your channel. It couldn't have been easy showing your face on the internet and boldly reciting the state-approved history of WWII at zero risk to yourself and loved ones. Respect, nigga.

I have never claimed to be "brave" for starting a YT channel about history. Congrats on defeating that straw man!

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

I have never claimed to be "brave" for starting a YT channel about history. Congrats on defeating that straw man!

It was sarcasm, because taking the position which is popular and establishment and state backed requires no bravery. Irony is one of many things lost on you. When you're holding a pedantry hammer everything looks like a nail. And before you reply with "Haha idiot, I've never held a hammer in my life!"—well yeah we can tell that by looking at you, fatass.

 

[FuckYouNigger]

Why are we having a thread discussing something that doesn’t exist?