Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

My favorite part of the war is vatniggers making predookshuns, and crying so hard about their hugbox being violated
>these are routine military drills, nothing out of the ordinary
>the war will not happen, pure NATO alarmism
>Zelensky is in Poland
>the war will be over in 3 days
>the war will be over in 3 weeks
>the war will be over in 3 months
>the war will be over by the end of the year
>Kyiv was a feint
>Odessa was a feint
>Kharkiv was a feint
>there will be no counteroffensive
>there is a counteroffensive but it's too slow
>there is a counteroffensive but the Russians planned for it
>there is a counteroffensive but it's too costly
>Izyum was a planned retreat
>Kharkiv was a planned retreat
>Kherson was a planned retreat
>General Winter will save the day
>Europe will freeze to death
>Europe will suffer a major economic crisis
>Europe will be fine but the people will pussy out
>Ukraine has exhausted their manpower repelling the armoured thrust
>Ukraine has exhausted their manpower in the Kharkiv counteroffensive
>Ukraine has exhausted their manpower taking back Izyum
>Ukraine has exhausted their manpower taking back Kherson
>Ukraine has exhausted their manpower defending Soledar
>Ukraine has exhausted their manpower defending Bakhmut
>once Kyiv falls Ukraine will be forced to surrender
>once Odessa falls Ukraine will be out of options
>once Kharkiv falls Ukraine will be out of options
>once Soledar falls Bakhmut will fall within days
>the West will never send lethal aid
>the West will never send enough weapons to make a difference
>the West will never send tanks
>the West will never send modern tanks
>the West will never send fighter aircraft
 
Saw on TV today where a Swedish ( or finnish, cant remember ) talked in detail about how they handle these transfers of tanks and armored vehicles from so many different nations and types

Apparently they organize it into groups and appropiate types, assign appropiate personel to get experienced on said systems and then organize the trained personell with the appropiate systems in batches
So for example

12 Leopard 2A4 from Fuckyouistan
16 Leopard 2A5 from Mongolland
8 Leopard 2A5 ( but modified ) from Charlotteville

These probably are enough alike so they are organized into similar batches and then trained according to a standardized form, regardless of specific upgrade or nation. Smart and streamlined
Then they assign the appropiate armored vehicles with the appropiate MBT as good as they can, these are then included in these batches and traing together after a shorter IFV/APC training
I had a small worry that all these different types and host nations would become a clusterfuck, seems like they've built a very streamlined and practical system in place for training, organization and transfer

I'll see if i can look up the article somewhere
Good logstics wins war after all.
 
Good logstics wins war after all.

Lets just hope that they can operate in good manner, hopefully with IFV/APC/Inf support and a good bunch of self-propelled AA systems. If they succeed in this, i believe that they will cut through Russians positions like a hot knife through butter
 
All those bradleys the Russians destroyed before any had even arrived in theatre.

Donetsk is safe. The battle is still going on. Their hohol Bradley crews are committing suicide by the hundreds on the gates of Bahkmut. Don't believe those liars. As our leader Putin said, 'God is grilling their stomachs in hell'." We besieged them and we killed most of them. We will finish them soon. My feelings? As usual, we will slaughter them all. Their tombs will be here in the Donbas People's Republic. They have no control even on themselves. Don't believe them. Those NATO stooges will be slaughtered.

Saw some Switchblades in the new package from Biden, this has probably been the most underwhelming system so far imo. Both the 300 and 600 versions

Like, i've barely seen any footage of these units destroying russians. I thought they looked rly good on paper, and they were delivered in large numbers. Are they just keeping op-sec on the footage from these or are they for some weird reason that i cant figure out, overrated?
Probably a bit of both.

Ukraine has a fortuitous confluence of having drilled good OPSEC in to their troops (and Putin's EW types providing training anyone who didn't listen) and also their allies having 90% of the worlds media in their pocket, so anything that would break opsec is being killed before it even sees typesetting. So I would suspect that NATO is keeping footage of any attacks to themselves as much as possible for analysis.

I'd also wager on the Switchblade not performing to expectations.

I had a small worry that all these different types and host nations would become a clusterfuck, seems like they've built a very streamlined and practical system in place for training, organization and transfer

I'll see if i can look up the article somewhere

The traditional way you do it is you bring over a class of the foreign guys (or send you trainers to them) to train your first crop of operators. From that class, you select the best and brightest and have them assist/translate in training the next cycle. You select the best and brightest from class B and make them trainers. Then you look at your selectee from Class A and score their performance. If you don't have enough guys ready to instruct on their own, you repeat the process having them be seconds until Class A's best and brightest are ready to fill out a training cadre. When you have enough guys of enough skill/quality, the Domestic guys hang back and observe the Foreigner Trainers. When the trainers think the foreign guys are ready, they step back completely.

I was reading an article, I think posted in here, about Ukrainian tankers training on the Leo2 and due to a career on Soviet UX, were able to pick up most of the Leo2's controls despite not being able to read the labels.
I'm sure there's some copeganda exaggeration in there, but NATO tanks are designed to be taught to retarded teenagers in a few weeks.
 
I'm sure there's some copeganda exaggeration in there, but NATO tanks are designed to be taught to retarded teenagers in a few weeks.
I also think they was projected with 'ok, in last war we have a fucktone people all over Europe on our side. Maybye we should make UX not-so-hard to get it just to speed up boarding process of some random Rurithanians if we get few?'.
 
Probably a bit of both.

Ukraine has a fortuitous confluence of having drilled good OPSEC in to their troops (and Putin's EW types providing training anyone who didn't listen) and also their allies having 90% of the worlds media in their pocket, so anything that would break opsec is being killed before it even sees typesetting. So I would suspect that NATO is keeping footage of any attacks to themselves as much as possible for analysis.

I'd also wager on the Switchblade not performing to expectations.

Sorry, but do you have a reasonable explanation for this? In general, we have seen immense use of commercial drones dropping grenades, primitive

So we have advanced and modern drones, supplied in great numbers, on paper better than most drones used in the war that has tons of footage of taking out the enemy. How is the Switchblade then performing so badly? I just cant see a a reasonable explanation for this
 
Saw some Switchblades in the new package from Biden, this has probably been the most underwhelming system so far imo. Both the 300 and 600 versions

Like, i've barely seen any footage of these units destroying russians. I thought they looked rly good on paper, and they were delivered in large numbers. Are they just keeping op-sec on the footage from these or are they for some weird reason that i cant figure out, overrated?
Ukraine has a fortuitous confluence of having drilled good OPSEC in to their troops (and Putin's EW types providing training anyone who didn't listen) and also their allies having 90% of the worlds media in their pocket, so anything that would break opsec is being killed before it even sees typesetting. So I would suspect that NATO is keeping footage of any attacks to themselves as much as possible for analysis.

I'd also wager on the Switchblade not performing to expectations.
Sorry, but do you have a reasonable explanation for this? In general, we have seen immense use of commercial drones dropping grenades, primitive

So we have advanced and modern drones, supplied in great numbers, on paper better than most drones used in the war that has tons of footage of taking out the enemy. How is the Switchblade then performing so badly? I just cant see a a reasonable explanation for this
Switchblade 300 is very precise, and also not that impressive looking compared to a drone dropping a frag grenade or a VOG or AT grenade. It is getting a good amount of use, but likely in areas where impact filming just isn't being done. They're good tools, but they aren't perfect. The main advantage they have is being rather small compared to juryrigged civvy nade droppers, but racing drones with RPG warheads are at the moment kinda better. Switchblade 600 will likely get a lot more showing off, less chance of being launched and detonated without outside observation.
 
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So, personal highlights a year in? Here's my list
>Drone blowjob video
>Snake Island insanity
>Moskva sinking followed by the insane amounts of coping
>Kharkiv Counteroffensive
>Ukrainian COD zoomer icing entire Russian squad with help of his trench goblin friend and his cave of wonders
>A fucking strategically pointless position becoming the biggest meatgrinder of Russian troops since the Rzhev salient without the excuse of being able to actually encircle any substantial formation like there was there
>TWO FUCKING Ka-52 KILLED BY ATGMS
>Vuhldar offensive
>The Pontooning

What's yours?
For me it was the pathetic Kherson retreat, which showed the absolute state of the Russian Army in 2022. there was lots of talk from the Pro-Russia side about how it would be a new Stalingrad and how they would defend it to the last man but they just ran away. This was right after "general Armageddon" took over command of the Russian army and they were saying he would turn it around (he definitely didn't and was fired shortly after), and after the Russian installed deputy governor of Kherson suggested they would stand and fight his car was blown up by the FSB with him inside. When the Ukrainians showed up there was huge pro ukraine crowds that showed up and celebrated the liberation as well.

Afterwards the Russian side got really quiet for a month or two and pretended like Kherson never happened, they weren't even allowed to mention it on tv.
 
How is the Switchblade then performing so badly?
Overingeeneniggering, high cost, and one thing about your opinion of commercial drones: you see footages of accomplished missions, not failed.

AliExpress drones are more like sometimes returning ammo rather than hardware. They didn't last for long.
 
>these are routine military drills, nothing out of the ordinary
>the war will not happen, pure NATO alarmism
>Zelensky is in Poland
>the war will be over in 3 days
>the war will be over in 3 weeks
>the war will be over in 3 months
>the war will be over by the end of the year
>Kyiv was a feint
>Odessa was a feint
>Kharkiv was a feint
>there will be no counteroffensive
>there is a counteroffensive but it's too slow
>there is a counteroffensive but the Russians planned for it
>there is a counteroffensive but it's too costly
>Izyum was a planned retreat
>Kharkiv was a planned retreat
>Kherson was a planned retreat
>General Winter will save the day
>Europe will freeze to death
>Europe will suffer a major economic crisis
>Europe will be fine but the people will pussy out
>Ukraine has exhausted their manpower repelling the armoured thrust
>Ukraine has exhausted their manpower in the Kharkiv counteroffensive
>Ukraine has exhausted their manpower taking back Izyum
>Ukraine has exhausted their manpower taking back Kherson
>Ukraine has exhausted their manpower defending Soledar
>Ukraine has exhausted their manpower defending Bakhmut
>once Kyiv falls Ukraine will be forced to surrender
>once Odessa falls Ukraine will be out of options
>once Kharkiv falls Ukraine will be out of options
>once Soledar falls Bakhmut will fall within days
>the West will never send lethal aid
>the West will never send enough weapons to make a difference
>the West will never send tanks
>the West will never send modern tanks
>the West will never send fighter aircraft
It's just so funny looking back at all of this. Them cheering on an obvious invading force, justifying it by saying that the strong always rule, then making a long list of excuses to justify their side which was clearly losing a few months into the conflict.

Good logstics wins war after all.
And that's something damn near everyone forgets. From Napoleon, to Dixie, to the Nazis, and the modern Russians, it's a repeating cycle of losing because the logistical side of the war turned against you.
 
Saw on TV today where a Swedish ( or finnish, cant remember ) talked in detail about how they handle these transfers of tanks and armored vehicles from so many different nations and types

Apparently they organize it into groups and appropiate types, assign appropiate personel to get experienced on said systems and then organize the trained personell with the appropiate systems in batches
So for example

12 Leopard 2A4 from Fuckyouistan
16 Leopard 2A5 from Mongolland
8 Leopard 2A5 ( but modified ) from Charlotteville

These probably are enough alike so they are organized into similar batches and then trained according to a standardized form, regardless of specific upgrade or nation. Smart and streamlined
Then they assign the appropiate armored vehicles with the appropiate MBT as good as they can, these are then included in these batches and traing together after a shorter IFV/APC training
I had a small worry that all these different types and host nations would become a clusterfuck, seems like they've built a very streamlined and practical system in place for training, organization and transfer

I'll see if i can look up the article somewhere
Muh military industrial complex and all that fuckin money does provide good service when you want to kill sand niggers or have hohols kill Russians for you or whatever. When you want a lot of dirty asshole foreigners far away to die
 
Switchblade 300 is very precise, and also not that impressive looking compared to a drone dropping a frag grenade or a VOG or AT grenade. It is getting a good amount of use, but likely in areas where impact filming just isn't being done. They're good tools, but they aren't perfect. The main advantage they have is being rather small compared to juryrigged civvy nade droppers, but racing drones with RPG warheads are at the moment kinda better. Switchblade 600 will likely get a lot more showing off, less chance of being launched and detonated without outside observation.

I mean, both sides really love posting as much as they can of their strikes and killing the other sides soldiers. And from what i've seen of Switchblade, it provides a live feed and then saves it after destruction. This is what makes me so dumbfounded about the lack of footage from these strikes
 
I mean, both sides really love posting as much as they can of their strikes and killing the other sides soldiers. And from what i've seen of Switchblade, it provides a live feed and then saves it after destruction. This is what makes me so dumbfounded about the lack of footage from these strikes
You're not always recording the live feed, and the inability to see the aftermath of the strike means it's got less propaganda value. We know they're getting used, we have seen several switchblade videos, but they seem to be mostly used by SF and recon units who prefer not to publish as much footage.
 
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In honor of the (basically) one year anniversary of the flawless Russian Invasion, I want to give a round of applause to the 46 people who voted 'Blyatskrieg' and rated it 5 out of 5 stars all the way back in the first thread of this that was made before we knew if the invasion was actually going to happen.
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The best part is that "Blyat" is the Russian equivalent of "Fuck", and "Fuckkrieg" is a good way to describe how well things have gone.
Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022 2023 gang for life

One month ago Sweden said gib tonks to Ukraine not on the table

Today Sweden says gib Leopard 2s to Ukraine being considered
Turns out when you're doing badly everyone feels like piling in on you.
Maduro has been given a golden opportunity to turn the grift taps back on, and is smart enough to take it. Chevron is being allowed to come back and fix their shitty infrastructure. Putin punched himself in the dick so hard its giving another dictator a life line.
Proving once again you cannot Churro the Maduro.
The DSP of Dictators.
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!
The fact people can now pay to have their messages on ordinance that gets dropped on mobliks
"This artillery shell has been brought to you by Raid: Shadow Legends."
I also think they was projected with 'ok, in last war we have a fucktone people all over Europe on our side. Maybye we should make UX not-so-hard to get it just to speed up boarding process of some random Rurithanians if we get few?'.
NATO's single biggest advantage is the fact shit is standardized to hell and back. Your basic infantryman can take ammo from six different countries, load it into a magazine made by a seventh, and fire it out of his gun made by an eighth. He probably won't be doing any astounding feats of marksmanship with such an irregular ammo load, but he'll have bullets and they'll work well enough. Now apply that sort of "We need anyone in NATO to be able to use anything made by anyone in NATO because when nukes are flying we won't have time to teach people" thinking to everything.
 
Vatniggers can always dream.

So, personal highlights a year in? Here's my list
>Drone blowjob video
>Snake Island insanity
>Moskva sinking followed by the insane amounts of coping
>Kharkiv Counteroffensive
>Ukrainian COD zoomer icing entire Russian squad with help of his trench goblin friend and his cave of wonders
>A fucking strategically pointless position becoming the biggest meatgrinder of Russian troops since the Rzhev salient without the excuse of being able to actually encircle any substantial formation like there was there
>TWO FUCKING Ka-52 KILLED BY ATGMS
>Vuhldar offensive
>The Pontooning

What's yours?
The Ukrainians flying Mi-24's into Russia to attack an oil depot facility. That is one of the lowest points for Russia. Where were their air defenses?

Anytime the Ukrainians managed to pull of an attack inside Russia. Like when they used those missiles to attack that airbase.

Seeing Ukrainians use a drone to drop an explosive device through the sunroof of a car full of Russians trying to escape an artillery strike.

Putin having the head of the FSB's foreign intelligence division arrested. This was totally a sign everything was going as planned.

Watching vatniggers cope hard. I'm just glad I don't have to pay for the copium rehab all these retards will need. lol
I've said this before, but I don't think most of that ammo is worth a damn besides serving as one big explosive. All of the shit there is directly from the mid to late Cold War and is in such a shithole 'country' that I seriously doubt Transnistria has been maintaining them besides just sticking them on a shelf.

Even well made artillery shells are only really good for 30 years or so, and the USSR was in love with quantity over quality, combine it with the fact that at least half those shells are probably half a century old and you got a stockpile that sounds like a treasure trove of ammo, but in practice you really don't want to be actually firing them.
About 20-25 years is as long as you want. The Russians are using stuff that is well over 30 years and probably getting into the 40's. I have seen a video of Russians firing artillery while trying to stand far away from the gun in case the shell explodes in the barrel.
 
Saw some Switchblades in the new package from Biden, this has probably been the most underwhelming system so far imo. Both the 300 and 600 versions

Like, i've barely seen any footage of these units destroying russians. I thought they looked rly good on paper, and they were delivered in large numbers. Are they just keeping op-sec on the footage from these or are they for some weird reason that i cant figure out, overrated?
The 600 is a more scarce asset than the 300, and it's turned out most of their intended targets (i.e. IFVs, infantry & fortifications) are being handled by artillery, entrenched infantry with rockets, & Mavic or FPV drones.

From what I've seen & read over the past year, it seems like both Switchblade models are reserved for high-value or stubborn targets, behind the lines work, or where they otherwise may not have the support of artillery & other drones.
 
It's just so funny looking back at all of this. Them cheering on an obvious invading force, justifying it by saying that the strong always rule, then making a long list of excuses to justify their side which was clearly losing a few months into the conflict.


And that's something damn near everyone forgets. From Napoleon, to Dixie, to the Nazis, and the modern Russians, it's a repeating cycle of losing because the logistical side of the war turned against you.
What's funny though is in all those examples it tool YEARS for Logistical issues to come home to rooste in a major way. For modern Russia it took 48 hours because the incompetents didn't even consider that maybe they should insure two entire Army Groups had enough fuel to maneuver longer then a week.

Never forget the Kilometers long meme convoy.
 
One year huh?

Ya know so much can be said at this point.

I could do as others have done and point out each and every time the russian military, hyped for decades as the almighty rugged equal to the US and NATO combined in military power and efficiency, was demonstrated beyond any denial to be every bit the third world shitshow it has always been, and how utterly inferior it is, was, and ever will be to the west, and how its supposed rugged and battle tested wunderwaffe are just as fucking trash in russian hands as they were in iraqi hands.

I could laugh at all the failed predictions, goalpost shifting, backpedalling, creative re-definitions of victories and other assorted cope from the usual suspect as the aforementioned russian military juggernaut was routed and chased back to belarus from Kyiv and forced back in both the south and the east away from newly declared "100% russian territories" by the country they literally surrounded on three sides, was made almost entirely of flat plains, and had the military budget of fucking angola, and the ever growing list of "war winning" turning points from General Armageddon to General Winter to europe freezing to death to the US sekritly agreeing to gib russia 20% of ukraine.

I could smirk in amusement at the sheer depths of intellectual dishonesty and desperation the #based russia simp brigade has delved to justify them betting everything on the most retarded nigger horse in the race, from self proclaimed hitler loving neo nazis throwing literal red flag waving communist blogs at me as the source for their latest failed prediction, to the retaking of Kherson being responded to by mumbled "but muh ghost of kiev" seething, to the never ending fucking fall of Bakhmut thats been going on longer than Stalingrad at this point, to the fact that capturing a fucking salt mine is supposed to prove that russia's winter offensive was a stunning strategic success

I could sneer in utterly deserved contempt at how this war swiftly demonstrated beyond any doubt how unironically fucking degenerate, superficial, tacky, and downright subhuman russia's culture is to the bone in a way that makes the nadir of globohomo look the days of the founding fathers, from its gaudy and ultra scuffed rehashes of soviet propaganda let by plastic faced th0ts and he-th0ts, to being reduced to conscripting every chink and kebab and darky they can find and throwing them at Ukraine to delay the next offensive, to the widely filmed and memed forced homosexual relations observed among its military, to the simple fact that not one single politico or military man in russia cares enough about their country or their fellow russian either to try and end the war or at the very least try to fucking stop losing it, instead opting to stab eachother in the back for promotion and gibdats as always

Instead, I will simply say.....I FUCKING CALLED IT
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As for the aforementioned russia simp brigade well...I called that too
Remember a couple months back when globohomo media and cancerous woke retards were all theatrically wailing about how much of a wonderful and brave and #inspiring hero the repeat child rapist Kyle Rittenhouse shot in self defence was, solely because he attacked someone/something that was fashionable to performatively hate in their circles and everyone of them wanted some petty asspats from their own circlejerks by joining in, and the evil sickfuck shit he did was consciously ignored if not smugly revelled over because of how much it "owned" the other side?

Yeah....thank fuck this cringe never happens in places like this.

Would be really, really embarrassing if people who spent the best part of a decade condemning and mocking this shit being done by globohomo media and cancerous woke retards were now unironically doing the exact same thing for the same pathetic reasons.

In closing, I was right about absolutely fucking everything, russia as the state it is deserves to die screaming, and its catamite fanboys are every bit as pathetic as the cliched vagina hat wearing, soylent drinking, funko pop owning, reddit spamming, triplemask huffing, hogwarts boycotting, whiteness whining twitter rabble they pretend to be better than
 
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