“This Is What Your Worlds Are Lacking”: Artists Are Using AI To Create Fat, Black Sci-Fi And Fantasy Characters

Ran across an artist in the deathfats thread who linked to this article. The "art" in this article is all AI.

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“This Is What Your Worlds Are Lacking”: Artists Are Using AI To Create Fat, Black Sci-Fi And Fantasy Characters​

“Fat, Black people deserve to be main characters capable of anything.”

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The AI artist Jervae (right) and one of their creations

As a young child growing up in Greenville, North Carolina, artist Alex Smith spent a lot of his time engrossed in the world of cartoons and comics, devouring works like Battle of the Planets, X-Men, and Doom Patrol.

In college, Smith first encountered science fiction novels by Octavia E. Butler and Samuel R. Delany, both of whom he admired because “they were Black and absolutely, phenomenally awesome.”

“They both showed me that sci-fi could have literary quality, could be progressive and liberatory,” Smith added. “Just their ideas, world-building, and love of language fascinated me.”

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Alex Smith

He was hooked. “Sci-fi is kinda like my church,” said Smith, who is now age 47 and living in Philadelphia. “It’s spiritual and very much connected to who I am as a Black, queer person.” The problem with his church, however, is that there isn’t very much Black (or queer) representation.

Mainstream sci-fi features Black characters like Morpheus from The Matrix, Mace Windu from Star Wars, and Lt. Commander La Forge and Nyota Uhura from Star Trek. But in general, Black characters aren’t afforded the same prominence and screentime as their white counterparts. And when Black people are present, they tend to be cishet assumed and conventionally attractive. Fat, Black bodies are a rarity.

“It just astonishes me that fat people in general are treated and depicted as second-class citizens in science fiction works, or they're made to represent something like greed, lust, or villainy,” Smith said, pointing to the character of Baron Vladimir Harkonnen in Dune. "I used to do a queer sci-fi reading series called Laser Life,” he added, “and when I was on the hunt for guest readers, the very first story I received depicted a villain who was fat. The character's fatness was described in loathsome terms and was considered an obvious indicator of their villainy. It’s really disappointing.”

So when easily accessible AI art generators came along last year, Smith, already an established visual artist, adopted these tools to create several Black, fat, and queer characters from a more inclusive futuristic world. Among them was Marcus, whom Smith brought to life using Midjourney and D-ID, an AI platform that creates talking avatars. Marcus heads up a division of the Electric Afro Science Institute, which Smith called “a superhero-led independent afrofuturist organization that works in biomechanics, cosmic engineering, nanotechnology, medical alchemy.”

Smith described Marcus, who is queer, as “kind of a smart alec. A big, cuddly nerd who thinks he’s a little bit gangster. He likes studying moths and ants and tries to see what about the lives of insects can be replicable in human life.” In one animated portrait of Marcus, which Smith posted on his Instagram, the character asks, “Who out here gonna draw me?”

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“[The question is] Marcus saying, Hey, I have a right to exist, even if I’m “artificial.” I still came from a human mind and a human idea. I should exist,” Smith explained. He added, “It’s kind of a declaration that both Marcus and my work will always exist to provide that challenge to other artists by holding up a mirror and saying, ‘Hey, this is what your worlds are lacking.’”

Smith is not alone in holding up that mirror. A number of other Black creators are using AI to build more inclusive worlds. Take Jervae, a 38-year-old, San Diego–based performance artist and spiritualist who uses Midjourney to make ethereal portraits of themself and other fat, Black femmes. “When using my own image prompts, I use descriptors like ‘imagine this image as a body of water’ or ‘imagine this as a poster for an alien nail salon’ to explore different versions of myself,” they said.

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Jervae

Rochelle Brock, a 27-year-old Brooklyn-based, size-inclusive beauty and lifestyle photographer, got into digital art via creating families on The Sims. Now, she uses Midjourney to explore both the quotidian aspects of fat, Black life and to create more majestic pieces that showcase fat, Black bodies in the form of angels, mermaids, and other mythical creatures.

“It sort of sucks to know you are undesirable and underrepresented in the real world and the fantasy world as well,” Brock said. “I see fat women as beautiful beings who are capable of anything, and I wanted AI to see them as that also.”

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Rochelle Brock

And then there’s @fatniggaai, a 33-year-old North Carolina artist who asked that BuzzFeed News not use her real name. @fatniggaai describes her AI art as a visual ode to “those who are fat, Black, dark-skinned, queer, trans, working-class poor, who access education outside of institutions, who are crazy/mad and who are hood.” They largely use Midjourney to create their art, which ranges from the “playful” and “unthinkably gorgeous” to the more terrifying.

“My AI work is an extension of me inviting myself and other fat, Black queer trans folks to see ourselves in the most expansive way possible,” said @fatniggaai, who added that she wasn’t particularly into sci-fi, but appreciated the worldbuilding aspect of it. “What I'm really interested in with my AI art is depictions of fat, Black queer and trans folks that are rooted in not being beautiful but rooted in being terrifying and looking very off-putting while also spilling over with agency.”

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@fatniggaai

The latest AI art generators “democratize art by giving people access to programs that are fairly low cost,” Susan Morris, a writer and professor at Georgia Tech, told BuzzFeed News. But when it comes to creating fat, Black renders, there are a number of obstacles.

Jervae noted that they have to be as specific as possible when using keywords pertaining to fatness and Blackness. “When I first started recreating myself in Midjourney, I realized that I couldn’t just put in the word ‘fat.’ I have to write things like ‘very, very fat, with a double chin and wide nose’ and ‘a very, very large belly,’” they said. “If I say anything like ‘beautiful’ or ‘pretty,’ it automatically makes me thin and/or have eurocentric features.”

And there are other hindrances. “Midjourney won’t let me say things like ‘big butt’ or upload images with any cleavage whatsoever,” Jervae said. “But I do notice that thin models, of course, can show whatever they like in their prompts without being flagged.” @fatniggaai said that prompts like “intersex” and, at some point, even “hairy” were banned.

@fatniggaai pointed out other limitations. She recalled trying to generate images of fat, Black people lounging on couches. “I even added words like ‘spacious,’ but the couches were vacuum-sealed onto these fat bodies.” She called it “wild” that a “machine that has access to every image in the world ever produced is so restrictive in its imaginative capacity that it has decided that if a person is fat, and they are sitting on a couch, that they should be too big for it.”

“That blew my mind that I have to ask AI for accommodations,” they added.

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Rochelle Brock, Alex Smith

On the other hand, AI can be surprisingly good when it comes to skin tones for fat, Black bodies. “The images I generate are almost exclusively of dark-skinned folks, and a benevolent byproduct of racism is that AI has only considered Black, fat people as dark-skinned,” @fatniggaai said.

As imperfect and rooted in white supremacy as AI image generators may be, the artists BuzzFeed News spoke to saw them as important tools for self-expression and proper representation. Smith pointed out why his AI-generated character Marcus is important: “He’s more crush material for burgeoning young queer boys who might think there isn’t a person out there who looks like them or who they can fall in love with.”

For Brock, the message of her artwork is clear and simple. “Fat, Black people deserve to be main characters capable of anything,” she said. “We are just here like everyone else.”
 
The thing I love about the social justice fixation on promoting fat niggers is that it's actually an admission that they find that to be the most repulsive human form. When the whole point is subversion, the thing you put on a pedestal is the thing you're saying is ugly. It's like DuChamp's urinal. He signs it, puts it in a museum, and sells it for millions of dollars. No one believes that he thought a mass produced urinal was beautiful. The whole point is that its ugly and connected with filth, but here it is in a museum-- oooh how subversive.

Same goes with the glut of black female "scientific genius" characters we now have. The creators want to subvert expectations, so they make a black female character who can read, do math, and hasn't squeezed out 12 criminal chimps before she hits 18.
 

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It's the same mentality as people begging for "accurate" troon representation in video games when they can just play as the actual female or male avatars that troons so desperately desire to be.
This could actually be pretty great as a mod...
  1. Any pre-transition character relationships are permanently destroyed when a character troons out. This will range from clear contempt to immediate violence on sight.
  2. Failing to take potions at the required rate will lead to negative skill effects. Eventually side effects of the potions also bring negative effects later on.
  3. You're now the "village monster" of the game. Men are confused and if surprised, violent. Women and children are terrified. Failing to take this into consideration may lead to bounties from guilds and holds.
  4. Must dilate for 15 minutes (or equivalent) every 24 hours (or equivalent). Fail long enough and it closes up. Player is afflicted with a ramping-up J-shaped damage curve from sepsis. If they do not get to a necromancer in time it will certainly kill them. RNG-sus can, and in 41% of cases does, randomly cause this to happen even with dilation.
 
I mean, they're completely free to create science fiction stories about fat blacks if that's what they want to do.

They're probably not going to be interesting to anyone who's not fat and black, though. Science fiction and fantasy is often a form of escapism, and I just don't see why a normal person would want to escape to a fantasy involving morbid obesity.
 
No, you negress hamplanet (or, dare I say it, proto black hole?) these works of fiction ain’t missing shit.

You’ll note there are no white hambeasts, no male hambeasts, of the human persuasion anywhere. That’s cuz normal, functional people don’t want to see some lumbering landwhale whose only superpower is the ability to walk up 10 steps without needing a breather in their fiction. It’s not attractive. Shit, it isn’t even tolerable to look at. When they appear at all, it’s to be held up as objects of derision/villains, whose exteriors are an outward symbol of their shitty characters.

Fuck right off and finish eating yourself to death. May your lardass corpse fuel a small town when they cremate you because it’s cheaper than renting a backhoe, front end loader, and dump truck to bury your worthless ass.
 
This ‘article’ also forgot a major black character in the Star Trek universe. Captain Sisko, who not only commands the space station DS9, but also commands a star ship, The U.S.S. Defiant. He is also the Emissary of the Prophets to the Bajorans. Buzzfeed, get your shit together.

No, I think you're confused - there's never been a black character in science fiction before. Y'know, in the same way there's never been a woman in an action movie.
 
Well I don't know a whole lot about this ai thing, but I decided to look up Alex Smith. Here's some of this guy's work, from a book he wrote called "Black Vans."
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Granted, it's not illustrated by him, but by god is it ugly as shit. They should all stick to ai, and Alex should probably get into ChatGPT too.
This is so awful that i have to believe it was intentionally done this way... For whatever reason

I'm not a professional artist by any means, but even an amateur, hell, anyone that knows about the very basics of drawing can tell just how *bad* this shit is

- Lines are inconsistent, thin on some panels, thicker and wobblier on others, this looks like the sketch you start with *before* you bring the pencils out

- Color pallete is especially nasty, these sort of cold colors like blue, purple, green and the like usually look decent when combined properly, but these are so sickeningly bright, yet dead mute at the same time. Plain, no shading, so not only is it jarring to look at, it's also *boring*

- Speaking of boring, the characters are all obviously traced from life. Poses are stiff and unnatural, with no flowing movement at all. Dead mannequins

- The tracing could be forgiven somewhat if the art direction was pleasant to look at, but holy hell... This book is fucking *grotesque* in every way.

Backgrounds are way too messy and crowded, theyre exhausting to look at, and even if you do, and you can look past the shit colors and stiff paneling, you'll find out that the locations themselves are as boring as they are ugly. Random ghetto ass alley? Average ass park? All of them drawn from a plain front perspective? This is Visual Nover tier shit, but even then, those are usually nice to look at, at least!

Character design is not any better... Look, you can make "realistic" looking characters work out, that's perfectly viable, but for crying out loud, did they have to make them both ugly *and* boring? Problem with tracing from life is that its harder to pull off more dynamic angles and poses, and these panels are proof of that, all of these are seen from the front, and only one of them varies it up by upping the perspective a little, a very slight improvement over the rest at least


Couldve ranted about the writing in these panels too, but considering the article is talking about art, ill stop there

"Artist" as a label should be gatekept more, and if these are the types that keep complaining about being replaced by AI, then yes, you should be replaced you fat fuck
 
This is so awful that i have to believe it was intentionally done this way... For whatever reason

I'm not a professional artist by any means, but even an amateur, hell, anyone that knows about the very basics of drawing can tell just how *bad* this shit is

"Artist" as a label should be gatekept more, and if these are the types that keep complaining about being replaced by AI, then yes, you should be replaced you fat fuck
I made the unfortunate choice to look up the artist behind this travesty of a comic, because I wanted to see if it was all this bad or if this was some sort of bizarre choice just for this comic.

Everything he draws is _really obviously_ fat fetish art, specifically fat Mexican dudes wearing luchador masks for some autistic reason.

The artist can't make any sort of argument that it's some sort of 'self love' cope, because he looks like this. So yeah, it's obviously his very specific fetish.

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He's a "self-taught" artist, probably because art school doesn't let you beat off while doing your assignments.
 
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