Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

[Frances Kiwi Farmer]

Joe has detransitioned! (And is now retransitioning!)
For reasons too complicated for any of us to understand, he had to stop taking estrogen for six months.

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Would not taking any hormones make Berkeley wonder if he is still trans? Would Joe take great offense to a charge like that? Let's speculate.

lol, I always enjoy how Joe interprets his bog-standard male experiences as not only particular and special to him, but somehow indicators of his true and honest womanliness. (Though I guess this just boils down to "AGP is a narc." Be more interesting, Joe.)

"I did not feel myself slipping into pre-transition habits of thought or modes of relation." Yeah, it's totally because HRT has given you permanent ladybrain (which, based on context, I'm assuming Joe understands to be less aggressive, less competitive, less of an overall douche). It's definitely not at all because you're male and nearly 40 years old, a time when all men experience significant decreases in testosterone and the commensurate changes in hormonal drives, for better and worse. I definitely have never seen a T-replacement ad on TV before or listened to Joe Rogan, either. Must be the ladybrain.

 

[Risky Horse Business]

Oh no his breasts wilted! On the other hand, little Joe would have grown (sorry, participated in a shift in genital configuration).

One for the medfags: any medical reason to stop the E during long covid?

He's trying to get a woman pregnant.

 

[White-Kettle Shufflepunk]

He's trying to get a woman pregnant.

Nah, Grace seems to regard children without ravaged genitals as impediments to queer liberation.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Certainly not a medfag, but a cursory glance through Google seems to suggest that women going through menopause are often misdiagnosed as having Long COVID. There have been a few studies/experiments where giving them more estrogen/HRT has actually cleared up their symptoms of brain fog/fatigue. 1, 2

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On the other hand, some people think that, because women are more likely to get Long COVID, estrogen is actually making their autoimmune response more severe. This prevents them from getting extremely bad COVID cases, but it is also likely to stick around longer if their body is still fighting beyond what it needs to. 1 These are two very different findings, that estrogen deficiency and excess estrogen can both cause Long COVID, but maybe it is about the balance overall.

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These are all just theories at present, so you can sort of take your pick of what might explain the sex difference. The only thing I can think is that some doctor was like "Joe, you don't want to be a woman in this case, estrogen is making your autoimmune system go crazy, let's bring it back down." But in actual women, having more estrogen seems to help. Assuming that Long COVID is really real, it could be both mitigated and prolonged by your hormonal balance.

Which is pretty funny because it leads to this result:

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Is Long COVID nature's way of restoring the population to our hormones-assigned-at-birth?

To reiterate, I have no idea what I'm talking about, I am just reading! Explain, medfags!

Spoiler: long covid isn't real, most of the people who "have" it never tested positive for the virus itself (and in many cases can't even recall having a bug that could have hypothetically been covid but failed to test). It's another form of somatization of psychological problems, like fibromyalgia and the various forms of malingering, munchausen, et al that you see elsewhere in the Beauty Parlor. Of course trans have more of it- they're personality disorder riddled disasters.

 

[Frances Kiwi Farmer]

Spoiler: long covid isn't real, most of the people who "have" it never tested positive for the virus itself (and in many cases can't even recall having a bug that could have hypothetically been covid but failed to test). It's another form of somatization of psychological problems, like fibromyalgia and the various forms of malingering, munchausen, et al that you see elsewhere in the Beauty Parlor. Of course trans have more of it- they're personality disorder riddled disasters.

Imagine going to the doctor for menopause symptoms and being diagnosed as being a hysterical cunt having long covid lmao. That's actual medical misogyny, but it won't be called out because then we would have to admit that all the other women claiming to have long covid are, in fact, hysterical cunts.

Just a hunch, but I suspect that if those bar charts broke out the trans and "other" (non-binary, I assume) long covid havers by "gender assigned at birth" aka sex, we'd actually see that AFABs are a significantly larger percentage of those groups than AMABs. Not because male troons are less personality disordered than the females, of course -- it just seems like munchie tendencies are more typical among females (as can be seen by the female vs. male ratio in the charts).

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

I think Joe had another new girlfriend but she wasn't impressed by his flaccid member, so he had to either lose her or regain function.

 

[monstrous bubo]

I think Joe had another new girlfriend but she wasn't impressed by his flaccid member, so he had to either lose her or regain function.

I had suspected it was erection-related, but had missed the fourth polycule person storyline. Imagine being so cock crazy that you’ll accept it attached to a such a flabby fashion disaster. No standards, some people.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Imagine going to the doctor for menopause symptoms and being diagnosed as being a hysterical cunt having long covid lmao. That's actual medical misogyny, but it won't be called out because then we would have to admit that all the other women claiming to have long covid are, in fact, hysterical cunts.

Very sad, many such cases, etc. It's a real problem. Honest women suffer because of the attention junkie nutters and troons (but I repeat myself).

 

[AirdropShitposts]

Joe has detransitioned! (And is now retransitioning!)
For reasons too complicated for any of us to understand, he had to stop taking estrogen for six months.

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Would not taking any hormones make Berkeley wonder if he is still trans? Would Joe take great offense to a charge like that? Let's speculate.

Kinda sounds like an addict describing their addiction, Joe. Only you're addicted to the placebo effect rather than a high or intoxication.

 

[Trianon]

Spoiler: long covid isn't real, most of the people who "have" it never tested positive for the virus itself (and in many cases can't even recall having a bug that could have hypothetically been covid but failed to test). It's another form of somatization of psychological problems, like fibromyalgia and the various forms of malingering, munchausen, et al that you see elsewhere in the Beauty Parlor. Of course trans have more of it- they're personality disorder riddled disasters.

That's what's kind of funny about reading any of the literature; they assume from the get-go that it has some biological underpinning, instead of considering the fact that women can be more prone to socialized neuroses. That doesn't mean the pain can't be real, but it's going to be much harder to treat if people freak out at the suggestion that some of it is brought on by ... suggestion.

Imagine going to the doctor for menopause symptoms and being diagnosed as being a hysterical cunt having long covid lmao. That's actual medical misogyny, but it won't be called out because then we would have to admit that all the other women claiming to have long covid are, in fact, hysterical cunts.

Just a hunch, but I suspect that if those bar charts broke out the trans and "other" (non-binary, I assume) long covid havers by "gender assigned at birth" aka sex, we'd actually see that AFABs are a significantly larger percentage of those groups than AMABs. Not because male troons are less personality disordered than the females, of course -- it just seems like munchie tendencies are more typical among females (as can be seen by the female vs. male ratio in the charts).

I'd be curious too. You could argue "being trans" is somewhat munchie adjacent for both sexes, so the ratios might be more even. On the other hand, most troons seem blithely unaware that anything could ever go wrong for them internally. Joe talks about feeling betrayed by his body and shocked that it's out of his control whether he gets sick or not. Transition has given him a false sense of control along with a hyperawareness of minute changes in his body. It has just thrown him for a loop that he can perceive his body changing without having DONE anything to it. And he feels so out of control now that he's just wasting away and can't think or theorize his way out of it.

 

[pursuitsnail]

Joe has detransitioned! (And is now retransitioning!)
For reasons too complicated for any of us to understand, he had to stop taking estrogen for six months.

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Would not taking any hormones make Berkeley wonder if he is still trans? Would Joe take great offense to a charge like that? Let's speculate.

For a dude who thinks Buffalo Bill is a sex symbol and considers himself a woman, I cannot understand why he isn't putting the lotion on its skin and drinking more water. It's winter. A lot of people's skin gets like that, but I guess it's hard to over intellectualize the every day? Dry skin is not a journey of self discovery and expression of your authentic self. Just go buy some lotion.

 

[mold]

"Long covid" is just as real as any other postviral syndrome, except on the one hand it's excerbated by people putting themselves in solitary confinement; on the other hand, I'm pretty sure the major contributing factor to other postviral syndromes is the fact that people's jobs and families don't let them fully recover from viral infections, but everyone with long covid pretty much sat on their ass for months.

The problem with all of these issues is that the loudest people are the most unhinged.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

That's what's kind of funny about reading any of the literature; they assume from the get-go that it has some biological underpinning, instead of considering the fact that women can be more prone to socialized neuroses. That doesn't mean the pain can't be real, but it's going to be much harder to treat if people freak out at the suggestion that some of it is brought on by ... suggestion.

The contrast between the public/patient facing copy about fibromyalgia "programs" versus what the staff/professional side circulated is educational. The idea is to trick the patients into thinking their Heckin' Valid Real Disability is being respected and cured by the White Coat Science Man's magic, while in actuality coaxing them into CBT, graduated exercise programs, dietary improvements, and so forth. All while keeping them off of oxy and/or various wonder drugs their internet friends have suggested.

But if you just outright say "your physical pain is your body's way of trying to manage your unprocessed emotions" they flip out. Like you say it is very unfortunate, because in the rare case where someone is able to confront that reality they often find that now they can finally start getting better. The flip out is even understandable now because of the extreme social rewards that come with having that Heckin' Valid chronic illness in some circles.

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

Very sad, many such cases, etc. It's a real problem. Honest women suffer because of the attention junkie nutters and troons (but I repeat myself).

I think a lot of munchies convince themselves that they're doing the world a favor. They think of themselves almost as an advocate or like an undercover journalist, showing the world how mean doctors are to people with chronic fatigue or whatever. "Even if I'm exaggerating a bit, me making sure they take me seriously will help the next person whose symptoms are real get taken seriously." Of course, it literally works exactly opposite of that, but never underestimate the ability of humans to make themselves the hero.

 

[Cryin RN]

Ditching E for six months suggests IMO that he got a clot, like a lung clot or a 'pulmonary embolism', and his doctor gave him strict instructions to quit that shit before he stroked. If it was about his boner it'd be a shorter timeframe and he'd be sure to let his employers, students, and elderly relatives know via Instagram. Isn't Joe a smoker? And he got COVID like, twice. Both factors increase the risk of dangerous clots by quite a lot. MtF trannies are high risk for clots due to hyperdosing on retarded levels of estrogen that cis women would never take.

 

[3MMA]

Such a pooner:

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Mallory uses the typical pooner lingo, ripe with absurdities such as speaking of Joe as a “wife.” Wonder how often she says, “dood,” these days, but I haven’t read her blog in many moons. Looking at her as the pooner she is makes the idea of peeking in on her disaster world a bit more palatable. Might read a little ChatnerShit.

 

[monstrous bubo]

Daniel, your wife is a narcissistic asshole who enjoys wasting your resources and making you clean up after her. That’s what she gains from this.

Oh, and she’s inverting the gender paradigm by putting the housework on your manly shoulders, so stop complaining.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Such a pooner:
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Mallory uses the typical pooner lingo, ripe with absurdities such as speaking of Joe as a “wife.” Wonder how often she says, “dood,” these days, but I haven’t read her blog in many moons. Looking at her as the pooner she is makes the idea of peeking in on her disaster world a bit more palatable. Might read a little ChatnerShit.

Is "women drink selzer amirite" actually a meme now because I missed that one.

 

[Frances Kiwi Farmer]

Such a pooner:
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Mallory uses the typical pooner lingo, ripe with absurdities such as speaking of Joe as a “wife.” Wonder how often she says, “dood,” these days, but I haven’t read her blog in many moons. Looking at her as the pooner she is makes the idea of peeking in on her disaster world a bit more palatable. Might read a little ChatnerShit.

Weird, I associate drinking canned seltzer with urban hipsters or old men, and -- oh, wait

 

[White-Kettle Shufflepunk]

Is "women drink selzer amirite" actually a meme now because I missed that one.

I'm pretty sure these people have gender stereotyped every possible human activity:

"Enjoying Joan Crawford's performance in Johnny Guitar. Egg energy, 'man'."