Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

Notice how I managed to say that without launching into a ghoulish fantasy where Singal is tortured to death for my pleasure, while voicing a pretty serious disagreement with the man. Shockingly easy to do.

Yeah well you’re not a public intellectual or activist, so you just don’t have the right skill set.

Many if not most farmers are not super progressive. That makes us simple enemies. As a lefty Singal is far worse: he’s a traitor. His nuance and attempts to be fair just goad them into onanistic hysteria. No fate is too terrible for him.
 
That seems almost impossibly lazy. Isn't it more likely that the open letter people just didn't think Joe was important enough to include?
It really looks like the second set of signatures is just anyone who fills out the Google form. I think "readers" gives us a pretty wide net, so it's clearly not limited to writers of note.

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The site now includes a spreadsheet of all signatories instead of listing them all out on the website. Out of 30,000 names, which are apparently updated every 5 minutes, Joe's does not appear. Neither does Lily's.

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Here is another little gift I found in a discussion on Jesse Singal's podcast subreddit, during a discussion about Lia Thomas, Andrea Long Chu (also a NYT Letter signatory), and AGP.

tl;dr This thread is changing hearts and minds. A commenter raised questions about the break from the Ortbergs based on what they read here.

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This comment was particularly good. Laid out very horrifyingly.

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And lmao.

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Many if not most farmers are not super progressive. That makes us simple enemies. As a lefty Singal is far worse: he’s a traitor. His nuance and attempts to be fair just goad them into onanistic hysteria. No fate is too terrible for him.

This is exactly it. I'm a lefty edgelord myself, and I'm terrified of being outed as a transphobe because I pretty much agree 100% with Katie and Jessie -- even though I'm further to the left than the rich kid LARPers doing all the seething and dilating.

I think that there MIGHT be a teensy cohort of children who may be transexual, and they're probably almost exclusively little boys. I'm also open to the possibility that transexualism is a socially bound condition that is a combo of childhood onset OCD, child sex abuse, and homophobia. (Third genders in other societies are all about social roles -- the sworn virgins in Albania can be men but can't marry, fa'afafine aren't considered women even if they act and dress like women, no one has even said they're true and honest (wo)men until now), I want people to live good lives -- and if a small minority of children aren't helped by therapy and every other intervention, then I'm not opposed to a sex change as an absolute last resort.

But everyone else? Needs therapy and/or to keep their fetishes in the bedroom between consenting adults. If they want to get into extreme body modification, they can do that with their own money. Not my tax dollars.

The Graces and Gretchens of the world are coom brained predators, the Daniels of the world are mentally ill women looking for a magic solution. I'm okay with the Buck Angels and Miranda Yardleys and Blaire Whites of the world who just want to live relatively normal lives and know they can't truly change their sex.

The troons are the exact same kind of person as the middle eastern immigrants who think they're entitled to rape, honor kill, and forcibly marry their daughters and still enjoy the fruits of the western societies they immigrated to. It's all "ME ME ME ME" and "I NEED EVERYTHING I DESIRE RIGHT NOW" with zero care for society or everyone else they're stomping on on the way.

And that's the other reason they're so hard on actual leftists and left-leaning progressives like Singal -- they know in their heart of hearts they're not really progressive, and they're trying to fight the inevitable "the emperor has no clothes" moment by discrediting all of their enemies with kompromat (real or imagined). Why else would Nicole tweet about fake rumors of Jesse being a creepy tranny chaser during the height of her power at Slate? And why do Jesse's tweets get replies about his dad being busted for soliciting? (Sex work is real work and totally cool until we can use it against our ideological enemies). Why do they post actually anti semitic bullshit about how he looks like a rat almost every day?

It's because, like you said, he's a heretic. He used to be one of them, then actually started doing his job as a journalist, and that can't be tolerated or others will follow. Same with Matt Yglesias and to some extent journalism cow Glen Greenwald. And especially JKR. Even Bari Weiss, who I think is dumb as a sack of bricks, gets it because she's gay and a woman even though she's center right. (I do appreciate a lot of the things she's done wrt The Free Press and the University of Austin or whatever it's called.) Lesbians who don't suck the girl dick are threats, and lesbians who won't suck girl dick and actually DO SOMETHING instead of just posting "kill yourself you ghoul" ad infinitum online are especially a danger to them.

The Graces and Gretches and Daniels of the world are just emotionally stunted teens in mutilated adult bodies, trying to treat reality like it's the internet circa 2008. You can't just change your LJ icon and roleplay in real life with zero consequences, sorry kiddos.
 
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I agree. I would estimate his birth year to be 1972.

He actually isn’t, as amazing as that might sound. Terfy UK journalist Helen Lewis revealed on Blocked & Reported that she knew him at Oxford. He was at Wadham College (known as Sodom College) but did not get involved in lgbt stuff.

He looks older because alcohol and smoking age your skin. And he dresses like an elderly lunatic who smells of stale pee. Oh yes.

 
I feel like he's been complaining about being "almost 40" so long that I thought he'd already passed it by now.

I know we've discussed how bad Mallory's writing has gotten over time, but nothing she writes is remotely funny to me anymore. I cannot take one more riff on obscure medievalist shit.

But that's what she seems to do as a distraction from writing about herself, and it looks like the new Dear Prudence book is going to be a navel-gazing disaster...

Dear Prudence: The Column: The Book Is Out April 4th​

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Here's her self-assessment, an excerpt from the book:
“I want to be right all of the time; in my natural condition and given the option, I would choose the warm satisfaction of self-righteousness over happiness ninety-nine times out of a hundred. I recognize this impulse is at best maladaptive and have the necessary system of pulleys and emotional riggings in place to counter it, but I feel a keen sense of loss whenever I come across a letter where someone has blundered their way from being entirely, unequivocally right to merely half right or, worse, in a position where they have to apologize to someone they dislike.”

“The inside of our own problems can feel like such a vast and complicated place that it’s tempting to assume nobody else experiences such a dizzying array of weights and counterweights, regrets and bitter-shot pleasure, abeyances and complications; that everyone else gets what they want in a straightforward, immediate way as soon as they realize they want it; that we alone are conducting a tortured symphony of sentiment with a thousand different musicians while everyone else is playing “If You’re Happy and You Know It” on a child’s xylophone. I do it all the time. I’m never right, but I still do it all the time.”

Chapters include:
  • What Time’s the Next Swan?
  • Can I Break Up With Him Without Hurting His Feelings?
  • Just One More Thing
  • The Care and Maintenance of Your Estrangement
  • It’s Fine If You Want To Transition, It’s Just That —
  • The Other Shoe Just Dropped
There’s a bit of meta-analysis as well, as I revisit some of the advice I might wish to modify in retrospect and the experience of transitioning, then becoming quite publicly estranged from my own family, while on the job. 2 I certainly wouldn’t recommend it, but it all seemed to work out reasonably well in the end. 3 To be clear, I really do mean a bit only, so don’t get too excited for gory details.

“My own estrangement was not an act of personal punishment…I would not, could not, simply take my brother and the rest of our family at their word that their secret strategy was safe or sane and that only people with the last name of Ortberg were entitled to know about it…I heard from many letter writers over the years in ghastly, similar situations, many of them much worse than my own. ‘Keep the secret and we will love you,’ the promise goes, ‘but step outside the family circle and there’s no telling what might happen to you.’ For my part, in my own limited and imperfect capacity as an advice giver, I cannot promise much — I can promise that estrangement is possible, that it is survivable, and that other forms of relation and kinship and reciprocity exist on the other side. Beyond that, I cannot say for certain; I cannot guess what gains might come to balance the losses for any given person, if leaving will come to feel like a relief or a suppurating wound or something else entirely…but it can be done, and it can even be good. Not always good, nor thoroughly good, but one can find real and surprising sources of goodness in it.”

"Sources of goodness" meaning "being used like a sex toy by your spouse's weirdo New York friends." At least she has the warm satisfaction of self-righteousness.
 
He actually isn’t, as amazing as that might sound. Terfy UK journalist Helen Lewis revealed on Blocked & Reported that she knew him at Oxford. He was at Wadham College (known as Sodom College) but did not get involved in lgbt stuff.

He looks older because alcohol and smoking age your skin. And he dresses like an elderly lunatic who smells of stale pee. Oh yes.

he's not lying a lot but he's over 40
 
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he's not lying a lot but he's over 40

I was so convinced he had to be lying I checked U.K. birth records and found him (maybe someone can confirm all of his deadnames)

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June 1983 just means all births registered in the second quarter of 1983: April to June.

Edit: yep, rate me autistic, you’d be correct.
 
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Joe has detransitioned! (And is now retransitioning!)
For reasons too complicated for any of us to understand, he had to stop taking estrogen for six months.

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Would not taking any hormones make Berkeley wonder if he is still trans? Would Joe take great offense to a charge like that? Let's speculate.
 
Joe has detransitioned! (And is now retransitioning!)
For reasons too complicated for any of us to understand, he had to stop taking estrogen for six months.

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Would not taking any hormones make Berkeley wonder if he is still trans? Would Joe take great offense to a charge like that? Let's speculate.

Oh no his breasts wilted! On the other hand, little Joe would have grown (sorry, participated in a shift in genital configuration).

One for the medfags: any medical reason to stop the E during long covid?
 
Oh no his breasts wilted! On the other hand, little Joe would have grown (sorry, participated in a shift in genital configuration).

One for the medfags: any medical reason to stop the E during long covid?
Certainly not a medfag, but a cursory glance through Google seems to suggest that women going through menopause are often misdiagnosed as having Long COVID. There have been a few studies/experiments where giving them more estrogen/HRT has actually cleared up their symptoms of brain fog/fatigue. 1, 2

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On the other hand, some people think that, because women are more likely to get Long COVID, estrogen is actually making their autoimmune response more severe. This prevents them from getting extremely bad COVID cases, but it is also likely to stick around longer if their body is still fighting beyond what it needs to. 1 These are two very different findings, that estrogen deficiency and excess estrogen can both cause Long COVID, but maybe it is about the balance overall.

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These are all just theories at present, so you can sort of take your pick of what might explain the sex difference. The only thing I can think is that some doctor was like "Joe, you don't want to be a woman in this case, estrogen is making your autoimmune system go crazy, let's bring it back down." But in actual women, having more estrogen seems to help. Assuming that Long COVID is really real, it could be both mitigated and prolonged by your hormonal balance.

Which is pretty funny because it leads to this result:

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Is Long COVID nature's way of restoring the population to our hormones-assigned-at-birth? 🤔

To reiterate, I have no idea what I'm talking about, I am just reading! Explain, medfags!
 
Oh no his breasts wilted! On the other hand, little Joe would have grown (sorry, participated in a shift in genital configuration).

One for the medfags: any medical reason to stop the E during long covid?
I'm going with: Joe's girl-dick was having trouble getting euphoric and this made Joe sad. Six months off the E and lil Joe is frisky again which makes big Joe feel extra womanly. RIP Mallory's dreams of comfortable lesbian bed death.
 
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