Culture The Bull Pit - Pitbull News Megathread - aka sperginity speds out agendaposting

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Two 8-month-old pit bulls that were loose in Nanaimo attacked several children, severely injuring at least one. Other people that came to aid the children were also injured.

The children were playing in a yard at the house of one of their friends. The dogs were from somewhere else in the neighborhood and had been cited for being at large previously.

One of the owners of the dogs came and got the dogs but did not stick around. The news interviewed the other owner, a Dangerhair that looked to be in her late 40s or early 50s. While she was devastated at what her dogs had done, she said to the reporter, "People are saying, look at this from the prospective of a parent, well, these dogs are my kids, too," and then she broke down crying.

It was later reported both dogs were euthanized, as there have been other incidents prior to this one, and due to the severity of the injuries the one particular child sustained.

To the dangerhair dog owner I would have to say, "If these dogs were your KIDS, you did a lousy job of raising them. Thank heavens you didn't spawn any of your own."

 

[The Foxtrot]

Honestly, I think we're going too far with the extermination talk. I might not have the most comprehensive or up to date information (my dogs were at least two generations back) but two of the sweetest dogs I had were both pitbulls and one in particular was an intelligent red nosed pit that never caused any issues in my household. She was smart, sweet (she even tried nursing the second pit we got) and was restrained in her use of violence. To say that the breed is beyond recourse is inaccurate and any number of guests can attest to her calmness. I say they can at least be bred to be more compliant as creatures.

With all the evidence posted all throughout this thread, you still have the idiocy to say "B-but my shitbulls were special!"?

You know, I agree they can be made "more compliant as creatures". After all, .303 British straight to the brain housing group makes them very compliant to be thrown in the back of a truck for dumping in a mass grave, I'd think.

It's a catastrophe in the making. The things are economically viable as weapons for felons and house pets for retards. I know of at least two puppy mills breeding the damn things within 10 miles of my property. I doubt either follow Kennel Club breeding regulations either, so escapes are inevitable.

And you are right. There are no natural predators. But plenty of prey. A feral Pit can easily take down a white tail deer. And that alone will make it alpha dog in the Coyotes book.

I expect the mutant invasion to be in full force within 10 years. The worst part is I just know a bounty won't be declared. We'll just have to kill them on the down low and throw the bodies in the river like they did in the 18th century.

Can also do as some other posters have suggested and poison their food bowls while their owners aren't looking. Or subtly convince the owners to put down their shitbulls themselves, or someone else will do it for them.

We almost drove Wolves to extinction before in the USA, I think with enough effort we could do the same for shitbulls.

And that's a good point for saying they're economically viable as weapons for felons, I hadn't actually thought of that before. A shitbull is far more dangerous in the hands of a felon than a gun, that's for damn sure.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

With all the evidence posted all throughout this thread, you still have the idiocy to say "B-but my shitbulls were special!"?

You know, I agree they can be made "more compliant as creatures". After all, .303 British straight to the brain housing group makes them very compliant to be thrown in the back of a truck for dumping in a mass grave, I'd think.

Can also do as some other posters have suggested and poison their food bowls while their owners aren't looking. Or subtly convince the owners to put down their shitbulls themselves, or someone else will do it for them.

We almost drove Wolves to extinction before in the USA, I think with enough effort we could do the same for shitbulls.

And that's a good point for saying they're economically viable as weapons for felons, I hadn't actually thought of that before.

I said there was a little glimmer of hope for the things. As another poster mentioned, they were bred into it. Why couldn't we breed them out of it in the next 15-20 years?

 

[mindlessobserver]

I said there was a little glimmer of hope for the things. As another poster mentioned, they were bred into it. Why couldn't we breed them out of it in the next 15-20 years?

Why bother? There are plenty of perfectly fine dog breeds. Why go to the effort of salvaging a genetic dead end? The pit was bread for a specific, and abhorrent purpose. Unless you want animal blood sports and gladiatorial combat to be a thing, there is no point in preserving the breed.

 

[The Foxtrot]

I said there was a little glimmer of hope for the things. As another poster mentioned, they were bred into it. Why couldn't we breed them out of it in the next 15-20 years?

You are a fucking moron for thinking centuries of bad behavior can be bred out in a measly 15-20 years. And for what? So we can take one of the most dangerous animals you could ever encounter and make it less dangerous?

Why fucking bother going through all of that when there are real dog breeds that are really meant to be pets that you can adopt or purchase right now? Why would I waste all that time and effort to maybe get dog that now has a 50/50 chance of ripping my face off instead of an 80/20?

As much as you might love your shitbull, I'll still shoot it if I see it, and it's still a fucking bomb waiting to go off at any time for any reason or no reason. That's the shitbull breed in a nutshell, why the fuck would you even want to try and salvage a breed that is this dangerous?

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

With all the evidence posted all throughout this thread, you still have the idiocy to say "B-but my shitbulls were special!"?

Oh jeez, someone is affraid of dogs.

And also knows nothing about dogs.

You are a fucking moron for thinking centuries of bad behavior can be bred out in a measly 15-20 years. And for what?

Most modern dog breeds was created between 1860 and 1940. Pitbulls was selected after 1880, when they was enough bull-a-terriers in USA to start selecting.

Also ALL dogs can be teached to be aggresive. All, ever your belowed husky or wathever you have as a child. Problem is with owners that are shitty, and shitty people tend to pick-up dogs from bigger and recognized as 'masculine' breeds.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

Why bother? There are plenty of perfectly fine dog breeds. Why go to the effort of salvaging a genetic dead end? The pit was bread for a specific, and abhorrent purpose. Unless you want animal blood sports and gladiatorial combat to be a thing, there is no point in preserving the breed.

You are a fucking moron for thinking centuries of bad behavior can be bred out in a measly 15-20 years. And for what? So we can take one of the most dangerous animals you could ever encounter and make it less dangerous?

Why fucking bother going through all of that when there are real dog breeds that are really meant to be pets that you can adopt or purchase right now? Why would I waste all that time and effort to maybe get dog that now has a 50/50 chance of ripping my face off instead of an 80/20?

As much as you might love your shitbull, I'll still shoot it if I see it, and it's still a fucking bomb waiting to go off at any time for any reason or no reason. That's the shitbull breed in a nutshell, why the fuck would you even want to try and salvage a breed that is this dangerous?

I'm well aware of other breeds that could be pets. I've had greyhounds, border collies and toy dogs around me and I appreciate all of them. But, I have my own life experience with Pits and I can just as easily argue that any pet is useless to anyone or even more potently that your .303 British is utterly obsolete when we've had .308 and above for the past 50 years

 

[The Foxtrot]

Oh jeez, someone is affraid of dogs.

And also knows nothing about dogs.



Most modern dog breeds was created between 1860 and 1940. Pitbulls was selected after 1880, when they was enough bull-a-terriers in USA to start selecting.

Also ALL dogs can be teached to be aggresive. All, ever your belowed husky or wathever you have as a child. Problem is with owners that are shitty, and shitty people tend to pick-up dogs from bigger and recognized as 'masculine' breeds.

Try harder by re-reading this thread. YWNBAW and you are an idiot.

I'm well aware of other breeds that could be pets. I've had greyhounds, border collies and toy dogs around me and I appreciate all of them. But, I have my own life experience with Pits and I can just as easily argue that any pet is useless to anyone or even more potently that your .303 British is utterly obsolete when we've had .308 and above for the past 50 years

Please don't try to lecture me on .303 British being obsolete when I *just* told the thread about owning a G3 clone. Using a Lee-Enfield is a personal choice, just like other guys using Mausers, Mosin-Nagants, or M1 Garands. I know by modern standards it is very "obsolete" for use as a standard-issue infantry rifle. Not as a hunting rifle, it is superb in that role.
And for the record, 7.62x51mm NATO, which is what "we" (meaning NATO countries) use nowadays as a standard full-power rifle bullet, is 69 years old (technically its a bit older). The counterpart for ex-Soviet countries is 7.62x54mmR, is 132 years old, and only abject retards would call it "obsolete". This is not a "potent" argument, it's a dumbass making an ignorant comment on a point I never made that is utterly irrelevant.

As far as you saying "I can easily argue any pet is useless!", you absolutely can. I doubt most people would be able to train a Rottweiler like I did, or even have a use for a dog like that. Likewise I have no use for a chihuahua, but some people own them anyway. But there's no fucking argument backed up by verifiable data for having a shitbull as anything but a killing machine.

My point there isn't that "it doesn't make a good pet", it's that a shitbull is not a pet at all. You having "positive experiences" doesn't change all the mountains of data other people in this thread have shown that shitbulls are just 100% incompatible with anything except a fighting ring.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

Please don't try to lecture me on .303 British being obsolete when I *just* told the thread about owning a G3 clone. Using a Lee-Enfield is a personal choice, just like other guys using Mausers, Mosin-Nagants, or M1 Garands. I know by modern standards it is very "obsolete" for use as a standard-issue infantry rifle. Not as a hunting rifle, it is superb in that role.
And for the record, 7.62x51mm NATO, which is what "we" (meaning NATO countries) use nowadays as a standard full-power rifle bullet, is 69 years old (technically its a bit older). The counterpart for ex-Soviet countries is 7.62x54mmR, is 132 years old, and only abject retards would call it "obsolete". This is not a "potent" argument, it's a dumbass making an ignorant comment on a point I never made that is utterly irrelevant.

As far as you saying "I can easily argue any pet is useless!", you absolutely can. I doubt most people would be able to train a Rottweiler like I did, or even have a use for a dog like that. Likewise I have no use for a chihuahua, but some people own them anyway. But there's no fucking argument backed up by verifiable data for having a shitbull as anything but a killing machine.

My point there isn't that "it doesn't make a good pet", it's that a shitbull is not a pet at all. You having "positive experiences" doesn't change all the mountains of data other people in this thread have shown that shitbulls are just 100% incompatible with anything except a fighting ring.

So your favorite round has been phased out for 69 years instead of just 50? How inspiring in a world where even if we aren't talking about infantry loads, we still have a million other hunting rounds that have been developed in that time. But now we're digressing. A breed in itself is something consciously molded over decades and generations of breeding. We freely created pitbulks and modified them into what they are. If we can accept that we did that in the first place, then why wouldn't we also accept that we can reverse that process without going on a mass purge? I'm not going to discount of those who've been maimed and go on apologetics for irresponsible owners but I'm also not going to discount options which could salvage the breed instead of some zealot crusade which targets animals which this thread already acknowledges can be docile pets.

 

[Collections Agent]

So your favorite round has been phased out for 69 years instead of just 50? How inspiring in a world where even if we aren't talking about infantry loads, we still have a million other hunting rounds that have been developed in that time. But now we're digressing. A breed in itself is something consciously molded over decades and generations of breeding. We freely created pitbulks and modified them into what they are. If we can accept that we did that in the first place, then why wouldn't we also accept that we can reverse that process without going on a mass purge? I'm not going to discount of those who've been maimed and go on apologetics for irresponsible owners but I'm also not going to discount options which could salvage the breed instead of some zealot crusade which targets animals which this thread already acknowledges can be docile pets.

I still think there's no reason we can't just spay/neuter/make owning one illegal.

Its not like you get anything special owning a pitbull, aside from having the ability to maul random innocents on a slight whim. There's no real reason to preserve their genetics.

It's not like pitbulls dying off as a breed means that dogs will no longer exist. Just dogs actually meant for being pets

 

[mindlessobserver]

I still think there's no reason we can't just spay/neuter/make owning one illegal.

Its not like you get anything special owning a pitbull, aside from having the ability to maul random innocents on a slight whim. There's no real reason to preserve their genetics.

It's not like pitbulls dying off as a breed means that dogs will no longer exist. Just dogs actually meant for being pets

It also does not have to be so dramatic as rounding up everyones pibbles and shooting them. Just set in place a blanket ban on the sale and breeding of the animals, with a 15 year grace period before outright ownership itself becomes illegal. Also require shelters to immediately euthanize any stray pits they wrangle that are not tagged.

Another thing that probably needs to be done is the Pit needs to be, as far as the law is concerned, a deadly weapon. So when it bites a kids face off, the owner can be slapped with Felony Malicious Wounding if the victim survives, or Manslaughter/Murder if they don't. A few 118lb 23 year old white girls sentenced with 25 to Life in prison after Mister Mittens kills a 6 year old, will do alot towards deterring ownership of the things.

 

[The Foxtrot]

It also does not have to be so dramatic as rounding up everyones pibbles and shooting them. Just set in place a blanket ban on the sale and breeding of the animals, with a 15 year grace period before outright ownership itself becomes illegal. Also require shelters to immediately euthanize any stray pits they wrangle that are not tagged.

That's not what I was saying anyway. Stray ones, yeah, shoot them on sight. But "pet" shitbulls, your solution works best.

Another thing that probably needs to be done is the Pit needs to be, as far as the law is concerned, a deadly weapon. So when it bites a kids face off, the owner can be slapped with Felony Malicious Wounding if the victim survives, or Manslaughter/Murder if they don't. A few 118lb 23 year old white girls sentenced with 25 to Life in prison after Mister Mittens kills a 6 year old, will do alot towards deterring ownership of the things.

I think this law should apply to any pet over a certain size, not just shitbulls. That way, you won't have trashy types and criminals immediately looking for another breed to have as their status symbol if the consequences for an attack would be the same regardless.

 

[Calandrino]

It also does not have to be so dramatic as rounding up everyones pibbles and shooting them.

For a second I thought you meant shooting the owners

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

I still think there's no reason we can't just spay/neuter/make owning one illegal.

Its not like you get anything special owning a pitbull, aside from having the ability to maul random innocents on a slight whim. There's no real reason to preserve their genetics.

It's not like pitbulls dying off as a breed means that dogs will no longer exist. Just dogs actually meant for being pets

When the hell did I argue that pitbulls going extinct would render dogs extinct and what don't we gain from the genetics of a pitbull? We saw that thing tank the hog in the previous page and limp away. No venerable German Shepard would do that and we could argue even a Wolf hybrid wouldn't so much better. Taking these things and making them work in a new context is the whole point of dog breeding. Take them, mix them with something like a Labrador and we can try to refine the breed instead.

 

[InsulindianPhasmid]

When the hell did I argue that pitbulls going extinct would render dogs extinct and what don't we gain from the genetics of a pitbull? We saw that thing tank the hog in the previous page and limp away. No venerable German Shepard would do that and we could argue even a Wolf hybrid wouldn't so much better. Taking these things and making them work in a new context is the whole point of dog breeding. Take them, mix them with something like a Labrador and we can try to refine the breed instead.

Why bother?why do we need a dog that will fight ANYTHING to the death (and savage anything else that takes it’s fancy)? There are hundreds of dog breeds out there that fill every conceivable role we could use a dog for and they all do it better than a shitbull.

If we need big, strong, fearless dogs to guard or go after criminals, there are already breeds like GSDs that fill the niche, with the added bonus that they are smarter, easier to train, give clear warning signs of aggression, and will stop attacking when ordered by their handlers - unlike shitbulls.

If you want a sweet companion dog, then there’s so many breeds to choose from that were either specifically for that purpose of which fill that role as well as being a viable working breed for other purposes (eg cocker spaniels and labradors) and all of them are a better option than a Pitbull.

What is the point of trying to salvage the breed? It would be an exercise in futility anyway as the number of arseholes breeding these unstable murder machines and palming them off to shelters where gullible people pick them up as “sweet velvet hippos” vastly outnumbers dedicated breeders who would have to spend years trying to breed out the gameness.

And crossbreeding them with labradors or other dogs doesn’t help. The pit genes are still in there and you’d have no idea when or how they’d resurface.

They’re just not worth it and should be allowed to go Extinct.

 

[Lost Soul]

Miss. lineman airlifted after being mauled by pack of pit bulls

According to the Carroll County Sheriff’s Office, police received a call about a pit bull attack off of Highway 35 North near Holcomb around 2:41 p.m.

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Miss. lineman airlifted after being mauled by pack of pit bulls

archived 15 Dec 2022 19:26:09 UTC

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The owner of the dogs, David Nicholas Smith, put the four remaining dogs down himself. According to police, Smith was not in compliance with Carroll County’s Pit Bull Ordinance and will face charges upon the completion of the investigation.

“I would also like to remind the pit bull owners of our county that they will be held accountable if they are discovered to be out of compliance with the pit bull ordinance – whether or not an attack is involved. Because pit bulls can be dangerous to the public, our county enacted the ordinance to safeguard our citizens. This incident shows how important compliance is.”

Oh we need more of this. I know it isn't the total solution, but this is a step in the right direction. I wish more places would do stuff like these against pits.
It is more strict than I anticipated, but I am curious how much follow up this actually gets from the police/city when the situation arises.

S/A

The Greenwood Commonwealth reports a new ordinance will take effect Aug. 9 that will not allow pit bulls to be chained outdoors or run loose in yards.

The ordinance, approved in a 3-2 vote this week by supervisors, said the dogs must be securely confined indoors or, if outdoors, kept in steel cages of a certain size on concrete foundations. A pit bull must be muzzled when out on a leash and anyone walking the dog must be at least 21 years old.
Pit bull owners must also carry $100,000 liability insurance policies or post $100,000 cash bond with a reputable bonding company, and they must have their dogs spayed or neutered.

No dwelling may have more than three of the dogs, and they can’t be within 50 feet of a public school, park or church when activities are being held.
Penalties for violations include fines of $250 to $500 for a first offense, $500 to $999 for a second offense and $1,000 to $1,499 for third and subsequent offenses.
Cases will be heard in the justice court.
The call for a pit bull ordinance came in the wake of a fatal attack on a child by two pit bulls in Holmes County on March 31.
Sheriff Jerry Carver supported the ordinance. Carver said his office gets calls every day about loose dogs causing problems.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

Why bother?why do we need a dog that will fight ANYTHING to the death (and savage anything else that takes it’s fancy)? There are hundreds of dog breeds out there that fill every conceivable role we could use a dog for and they all do it better than a shitbull.

If we need big, strong, fearless dogs to guard or go after criminals, there are already breeds like GSDs that fill the niche, with the added bonus that they are smarter, easier to train, give clear warning signs of aggression, and will stop attacking when ordered by their handlers - unlike shitbulls.

If you want a sweet companion dog, then there’s so many breeds to choose from that were either specifically for that purpose of which fill that role as well as being a viable working breed for other purposes (eg cocker spaniels and labradors) and all of them are a better option than a Pitbull.

What is the point of trying to salvage the breed? It would be an exercise in futility anyway as the number of arseholes breeding these unstable murder machines and palming them off to shelters where gullible people pick them up as “sweet velvet hippos” vastly outnumbers dedicated breeders who would have to spend years trying to breed out the gameness.

And crossbreeding them with labradors or other dogs doesn’t help. The pit genes are still in there and you’d have no idea when or how they’d resurface.

They’re just not worth it and should be allowed to go Extinct.

Pitbull genes are already in pretty much any dog out there though. We didn't end up making these things out of clay and thin air. We got them in the first place because wolves carried them, domestic dogs carried them and for about a 100 years they were bred into that state. While I can agree about backyard breeders being a problem, I would think any breed as popular as a pitbull would be a candidate for all sorts of monstrosities. The only reason we haven't seen German shepherds go insane yet is because we haven't put them through the process of changing their outlook in the same way we made the pits but I would wager it would likely only take a few generations to render them the same way we do with pits.

 

[mindlessobserver]

It's always worth laugh what these things are named as by shelters.

Anyone want to pick up Central New Yorks most adoptable pet "Sweet Pea"?

Meet Sweet Pea: CNYCentral's adoptable pet of the week

Sweet Pea, a special needs dog who came to the shelter as a stray. She has allergies. She’s about 7 years old. She loves to play, she loves attention, loves wal

cnycentral.com

 

[Cyborg Braphog]

Pitbull genes are already in pretty much any dog out there though

It's the gene expression that's the problem. Of course dogs share genes in common - they're dogs. Most of them haven't been intentionally broken though. The thing is, you've made the argument for why we don't need to preserve pitbulls. They have nothing unique to offer because their genes exist in the other dogs.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

It's the gene expression that's the problem. Of course dogs share genes in common - they're dogs. Most of them haven't been intentionally broken though. The thing is, you've made the argument for why we don't need to preserve pitbulls. They have nothing unique to offer because their genes exist in the other dogs.

But they clearly do as I argued with the case with the wild boar and even with cops. Those pits took hits and endured trauma other dogs simply couldn't. Repurposed pits as guard dogs could easily surpass German Shepards and arguably already do so by reputation if nothing else.

 

[God's drunkest driver]

Why bother? There are plenty of perfectly fine dog breeds. Why go to the effort of salvaging a genetic dead end? The pit was bread for a specific, and abhorrent purpose. Unless you want animal blood sports and gladiatorial combat to be a thing, there is no point in preserving the breed.

This. Why are shitbull apologists so pathologically obsessed with that breed of dog? There are plenty of superior dog breeds for everything not involving mauling innocent people and animals. Get over the dumb-ass obsession with an ugly box-headed breed that has caused more problems then it is worth. This is why I dislike "dog people" in general, they get so wrapped up in stupid obsessions, when I have a dog it's a loved pet and also an animal with utility for the family, not some hokey talisman borne out of desperate need to belong to an in-group. I especially hate breeders who chase stupid aesthetics at the cost of the animal's health. Pug, bulldog and german shepherd breeders have run the health of their breeds into the ground in the past few decades and deserve to be gassed.