LDS Church acknowledges Joseph Smith was pedophile who married 14 year old girl in new essays on polygamy

SALT LAKE CITY — In a new series of essays, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints addresses its history of polygamy.

One essay acknowledges LDS Church founder Joseph Smith practiced polygamy, and married a girl who was just shy of her 15th birthday.

“Most of those sealed to Joseph Smith were between 20 and 40 years of age at the time of their sealing to him. The oldest, Fanny Young, was 56 years old. The youngest was Helen Mar Kimball, daughter of Joseph’s close friends Heber C. and Vilate Murray Kimball, who was sealed to Joseph several months before her 15th birthday,” the essay, published on the LDS Church’s website, said. “Marriage at such an age, inappropriate by today’s standards, was legal in that era, and some women married in their mid-teens.”

It also acknowledged that Smith married other men’s wives.

“Joseph Smith’s sealings to women already married may have been an early version of linking one family to another. In Nauvoo, most if not all of the first husbands seem to have continued living in the same household with their wives during Joseph’s lifetime, and complaints about these sealings with Joseph Smith are virtually absent from the documentary record,” the essay states.

The essays are the latest in a series of sometimes controversial topics the LDS Church has chosen to address about its history and practices. The church also posted a video about sacred temple garments in an effort to educate people.

The LDS Church no longer practices polygamy and excommunicates those who do. Utah abandoned the practice as a condition of statehood. A federal judge recently ruled part of the state’s polygamy ban violated First Amendment religious freedom rights.

There are an estimated 30,000 people who claim to be “fundamentalist Mormons,” which is a belief system that includes the practice of polygamy.

In one of the essays, the LDS Church acknowledges that it benefited from polygamy in the 19th century.

“For many who practiced it, plural marriage was a trial of faith. It violated both cultural and legal norms, leading to persecution and revilement,” the essay states. “Despite these hardships, plural marriage benefited the Church in innumerable ways.”

LDS Church acknowledges Joseph Smith married underage girl in new essays on polygamy

SALT LAKE CITY — In a new series of essays, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints addresses its history of polygamy. One essay acknowledges LDS Church founder Joseph Smith practiced polygamy, and married a girl who was just shy of her 15th birthday. “Most of those sealed to Joseph Smith we

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Oldie but goodie for our uppity Mormon friends who pretend to be moralfags. Joseph Smith was on the level of Muhammad honestly.

 

[Counterfeit Obol]

Joseph Smith was a kid did-dler
Dum dum dum dum dum~

 

[Muttley]

He said he was a mormon multiple times and is defending mormonism. I'm responding to him.

meh I like my interpretation better
it's funnier

 

[None Drunk Username]

If you want a good source that lays out all the historical problems with the church really well then try reading The CES Letter.
Basically the mormon church has had a consistent sugar coated narrative for many years now and they've done a pretty good job of keeping the more troublesome aspects of its history under wraps, but thanks to the internet that information became widely available and the ces letter kind of went viral due to that which is why the mormon church ended up releasing their essays including the one in OP because they realized they should probably be more transparent.

The go to apologetic response to Joseph Smith marrying a 14 year old, as well as his other wives, is that there's no evidence there was any sexual relations between any of them. Joseph Smith only had children with his first wife after all. This doesn't really hold up when you use unbiased common sense, because what else would a marriage be for, but that argument is good enough for most mormons because they simply can't imagine their dear leader doing anything like that.

Polygamy is weird in the current mormon culture because everyone knows it happened, but they just kind of sweep it under the rug and go "We don't know why it happened, but it happened and now we don't do it anymore so it's okay."

Anyway, you're not going to change any believing mormons minds is my point. And maybe you should take such discussions to dms or profile comments instead of making a personal slapfight public. If their is interest in creating some kind of mormon kiwi farms thread I'd be happy to contribute because I know a lot myself. I doubt their will be interest though because I've learned that most people could care less either way.

 

[Calandrino]

The oldest, Fanny Young, was 56 years old.

omg sick, dude died when he was only 38 wtf

 

[JambledUpWords]

All I can say is that from the slap fight had on both sides, is that neither has changed any minds. It’s a good thing I like reading slap fights because the article itself is pretty useless for how old it is.

 

[Mothra1988]

If you want a good source that lays out all the historical problems with the church really well then try reading The CES Letter.
Basically the mormon church has had a consistent sugar coated narrative for many years now and they've done a pretty good job of keeping the more troublesome aspects of its history under wraps, but thanks to the internet that information became widely available and the ces letter kind of went viral due to that which is why the mormon church ended up releasing their essays including the one in OP because they realized they should probably be more transparent.

The go to apologetic response to Joseph Smith marrying a 14 year old, as well as his other wives, is that there's no evidence there was any sexual relations between any of them. Joseph Smith only had children with his first wife after all. This doesn't really hold up when you use unbiased common sense, because what else would a marriage be for, but that argument is good enough for most mormons because they simply can't imagine their dear leader doing anything like that.

Polygamy is weird in the current mormon culture because everyone knows it happened, but they just kind of sweep it under the rug and go "We don't know why it happened, but it happened and now we don't do it anymore so it's okay."

Anyway, you're not going to change any believing mormons minds is my point. And maybe you should take such discussions to dms or profile comments instead of making a personal slapfight public. If their is interest in creating some kind of mormon kiwi farms thread I'd be happy to contribute because I know a lot myself. I doubt their will be interest though because I've learned that most people could care less either way.

Well, there are ex-mormons, ex-scientologists, etc. Some of these people live in socially conditioned bubbles and are threatened with ostracism for going off the reservation. It's better they hear the truth about how their belief system was some idiot's plan to create a fantasy harem for himself and was completely falsified through obvious fraud. Other people who don't give a shit are probably jaded atheists who don't understand the difference between them and Christians anyways.

I don't know why people think these people are politically based either when they produce literal CIA glow niggers like McMuffin, Harry Reid and Mitty Romney every single time. Supposedly, the CIA and FBI in general is filled with them and they recruit them on purpose, so they are literally part of the rot in Washington and probably knee-deep in the many scanadals going after conservatives like Trump recently.

 

[ForgedBlades]

For me it's the Book of Abraham, the most hilarious Mormon absurdity.

 

[Kheapathic]

I don't know why people think these people are politically based either when they produce literal CIA glow niggers like McMuffin, Harry Reid and Mitty Romney every single time. Supposedly, the CIA and FBI in general is filled with them and they recruit them on purpose, so they are literally part of the rot in Washington and probably knee-deep in the many scanadals going after conservatives like Trump recently.

Probably because there's a number of them who are hardcore preppers without having to go to the deep south. You're not wrong about organizations recruiting them (because they can reliably clean for the most part), but if you put all the weird parts together; you'll get the largest cross-section of anti-fed preppers and glowies in the same tent.

 

[Mothra1988]

He fled to Utah? Brother, he was shot before they even planned on going there.

Are you against child fuckers being shot? lol

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

So fucking what? Priscilla was 14 when she met Elvis and he was the King.

 

[JambledUpWords]

Well, there are ex-mormons, ex-scientologists, etc.

That’s true for pretty much every religion. The status of ex-(insert religion here) isn’t special.

I don't know why people think these people are politically based either when they produce literal CIA glow niggers like McMuffin, Harry Reid and Mitty Romney every single time. Supposedly, the CIA and FBI in general is filled with them and they recruit them on purpose, so they are literally part of the rot in Washington and probably knee-deep in the many scanadals going after conservatives like Trump recently.

What does this have to do with your original arguments? This looks off topic.

 

[Kheapathic]

What does this have to do with your original arguments? This looks off topic.

Probably had his girlfriend stolen by a missionary. Something about being clean-cut, presentable, and relatively fit for having to walk everywhere makes girls hot... or so I hear.

I mean, this article is almost a decade old; dude probably has some sort of IRL beef somewhere, but doesn't want to admit it.

 

[Mothra1988]

That’s true for pretty much every religion. The status of ex-(insert religion here) isn’t special.

What does this have to do with your original arguments? This looks off topic.

It's a comment about mormons in a thread about mormons. Why are you complaining when you're adding less to the thread than I am?

 

[Sicko Hunter]

Mormons are based. Hard working, anti-degerancy, overwhelmingly white with a high birth rate. I could give a fuck less what delusional religious beliefs they need to do that. When the Brazilification of the US occurs the Amish and Mormons will be the last whites in the country.

 

[JambledUpWords]

Probably had his girlfriend stolen by a missionary. Something about being clean-cut, presentable, and relatively fit for having to walk everywhere makes girls hot... or so I hear.

I mean, this article is almost a decade old; dude probably has some sort of IRL beef somewhere, but doesn't want to admit it.

Everyone has hang ups over something, but it’s pretty bad form of @Mothra1988 to be so open about it. It shows weakness.

It's a comment about mormons in a thread about mormons. Why are you complaining when you're adding less to the thread than I am?

You went straight from “Joseph Smith is a pedo”to “why are there so many Mormons in the FBI/CIA?” Is it too hard to stay on your main point?

 

[X Prime]

You went straight from “Joseph Smith is a pedo”to “why are there so many Mormons in the FBI/CIA?” Is it too hard to stay on your main point?

Now to be perfectly fair, I'm not sure I'd call those two statements one after the other a non-sequitur.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Mormons are based. Hard working, anti-degerancy, overwhelmingly white with a high birth rate. I could give a fuck less what delusional religious beliefs they need to do that. When the Brazilification of the US occurs the Amish and Mormons will be the last whites in the country.

I wouldn't count on that at all. Mormons have an insatiable lust for Latina poon. Their very rapid global population growth is driven by Latin American converts and their missionaries often marry them.

 

[Mothra1988]

Mormons are based. Hard working, anti-degerancy, overwhelmingly white with a high birth rate. I could give a fuck less what delusional religious beliefs they need to do that. When the Brazilification of the US occurs the Amish and Mormons will be the last whites in the country.

I don't think the Amish deserve to be compared to Mormons honestly. Those are people that fled real religious persecution from Europe and mainly mind their own business. They don't have an lolcow belief system with phony gold tablets found in New York, just a very strict one.

 

[Kheapathic]

I don't think the Amish deserve to be compared to Mormons honestly. Those are people that fled real religious persecution from Europe and mainly mind their own business. They don't have an lolcow belief system with phony gold tablets found in New York, just a very strict one.

I'll wait for you to discover all the horrible puppy mill and other animal abuse that the Amish commit.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

You all want to know why there's a Mormon cartel in the alphabet agencies, it has to do with them having a high incidence of foreign language skills (from missions, doing a mission is more of an expectation than an option and the missions do not give you any option at all of where you get sent) and lack of degeneracy (no drinking, more reliable workers).

But once an initial foothold starts these sort of things become self-sustaining through nepotism.

There's also a notable difference between the pioneer underclass of desert rancher Mormons and the very neocon, normalfaggot-wannabe business and clerical elite.

I don't think the Amish deserve to be compared to Mormons honestly. Those are people that fled real religious persecution from Europe and mainly mind their own business. They don't have an lolcow belief system with phony gold tablets found in New York, just a very strict one.

Anabaptists had tons of lolcow beliefs and some of them (some German sect in Pennsylvania) directly influenced early Mormon occultism. But there is a difference I would agree between Mormonism attempting to create Yankee Islam versus Anabaptists retreating from the world like a family-oriented equivalent of monasticism. And Joseph Smith was very consciously mimicking Muhammad in his self-presentation and goals.

Mormonism in some sense is like a confluence of Christianity, Islam, Victorian Scientology, Victorian hippies, and a deliberate attempt to revive the mentality and romance of Old Testament Judaism. The base of it is Christianity. The political thuggery and utopia-building is seen in lots of things, including Smith's Puritan ancestors, but in this case it and the basic origins of the religion are most like Islam. The Scientology angle comes from the concept the early religion seemed to have of celestial bodies being worlds on which other deities reign (something coming along in an era when science fiction hadn't really turned interplanetary exploration from a fantasy to a realistic goal, much like ancient religions could plausibly imagine God sitting on a cloud and the Devil hiding down in some volcano). The hippie part, from several things that were also shared with other Christian utopians of the times, but specifically meaning being fueled by psychedelic drugs, magic, free love (more cult abuses, but once the lid was blown in Nauvoo they had to reform and institutionalize it), and communistic arrangements (United Order).

It was crazy fun and I would happily shoot Missouri militiamen alongside them