Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Radola Gajda said:
Whole Western view of Eastern front was created by German generals . Who created myths like madman Hitler who wanted to secure strategic objectives and not mindlessly rush Moscow like they wanted.
Whole image of unarmed mob being forced at gunpoint to attack is false. By time of Stalingrad unoccupied USSR had smaller population than Germany and Italy. And Soviets at this point fought Romanian, Hungarians, Finns, Francoists blue division.... So if it was just numbers game at this point Germans would win.
There were couple logistical fuck ups when deployed soldiers didnt get all gear, but that was rare.

As for order 227 (no step back)
Translation here.
https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Translation:Order_No._227_by_the_People's_Commissar_of_Defence_of_the_USSR

It Focused mainly on commanders who retreated without permission not common soldiers who retreated,back after failed charge.
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Germans established penal companies first
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Yet there are reports that Ukraine deploys snipers behind the lines (and not just from that McIntyre guy) who shoot anyone that surrenders.
 
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Fighting Type Pokemon said:
The lolcow senator Marjorie Taylor Greene who tried to shut down the infamous hate site Kiwifarms is now proposing to split the US.

If the US goes the way of the USSR (a major ecological catastrophe... a geriatric senile head of the state... a runaway inflation... an economy drained by a dumb overseas conflict it had no reason to participate in the first place...) I am going to laugh so. very. hard.

Do it, girl. Just do it. The clown world demands it. And besides, you know you want to.
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CaptainAutism69 said:
speaking of which, where is that fucking Glowie retard? Not seen him post any autism in weeks
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I think it would do good for the US. I mean, just look at KF, once you separated the ukautists into their separate containment thread, a lot of them realized how utterly retarded they are and started seeping back here with "changed" attitude.

Once leftists left (no pun intended) on their own devices, and realize that _someone_ have to stand at the other side of the bar at starbucks for them to get their soylatté.. maybe they'll become less communist woketard cucks.
 
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Want to know what happened to the Wunderwaffen Ukiesimps were crowing about? Well, here's the fate of one M777 A2:



Бойцы ЧВК "Вагнер" демонстрируют уничтоженную американскую 155-мм гаубицу М777 где-то под Бахмутом.

Soldiers of PMC "Wagner" demonstrate the destroyed American 155-mm Howitzer M777 somewhere near Bakhmut.
 
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Anyone has any info on what is this "Ukrainian Peace Formula"?
 
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Useful_Mistake said:
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Anyone has any info on what is this "Ukrainian Peace Formula"?
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This has been talked about since last year.
https://news.yahoo.com/president-zelenskyy-10-point-peace-094800133.html
https://www.reuters.com/world/we-wi...ate-ukrainian-land-says-zelenskiy-2022-11-15/
https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/09/1127421
MOSCOW, February 24. /TASS/. The United States backs talks on Ukraine only on the basis of a 10-point "peace formula" proposed by Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky, US Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland said in an interview with TASS.

"The Ukrainian side has put forward a ten-point peace proposal. There has been zero response from the Russian side with regard to that. If peace negotiations were to start on the basis of the ‘just peace’ formula that the Ukrainians have put forward, obviously we would support that," Nuland said, answering a question if the US was ready for talks on Ukraine.
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The plan is about what you would expect from Z-man
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-is-zelenskiys-10-point-peace-plan-2022-12-28/

The plan calls for:

1. Radiation and nuclear safety, focusing on restoring safety around Europe's largest nuclear power plant, Zaporizhzhia in Ukraine, which is now-Russian occupied.
2. Food security, including protecting and ensuring Ukraine's grain exports to the world's poorest nations.
3. Energy security, with focus on price restrictions on Russian energy resources, as well as aiding Ukraine with restoring its power infrastructure, half of which has been damaged by Russian attacks.
4. Release of all prisoners and deportees, including war prisoners and children deported to Russia.
5. Restoring Ukraine's territorial integrity and Russia reaffirming it according the U.N. Charter, which Zelenskiy said is "not up to negotiations".
6. Withdrawal of Russian troops and cessation of hostilities, restoration of Ukraine's state borders with Russia.
7. Justice, including the establishment of a special tribunal to prosecute Russian war crimes.
8. Prevention of ecocide, need for protection of environment, with focus on demining and restoring water treatment facilities.
9. Prevention of escalation of conflict, and building security architecture in the Euro-Atlantic space, including guarantees for Ukraine.
10. Confirmation of the war's end, including a document signed by the involved parties.
 
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Doinker Marmalade said:
Am I retarded for thinking Russia shouldn't encircle Bakhmut anytime soon? Ukraine seems willing to send everything they got at it, even as the pincer closes, wouldn't it be better to keep, as Prigozhin put it, the "Main event" of the war going to drain the Ukrainians? A year or more of this and you could realistically have the Russian Army just waltz into the rest of Ukraine unopposed. (Or as Prigozhin puts it, "Walk over to the territory in flip flops")
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UKR (Zelensky) will keep sending men, children, the blind and those without hands until he just clogs the streets with bodies and use that to stop the Russian advance. They really should just close the pincer and eliminate the remaining forces inside. There is 0% chance UKR can retake it, and it breaks their back.
CaptainAutism69 said:
speaking of which, where is that fucking Glowie retard? Not seen him post any autism in weeks
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No one to argue his fuckwit points with. They all agree with him over there and if he posts his bullshit here he'll get btfo'd.
Useful_Mistake said:
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It's an idiot proposal from an idiot actor. Don't forget, Zelensky was hiding in a bunker shitting himself until he got an assurance from Putin that he wasn't going to be assassinated. Then he emerged, puffed up his chest and pretended to be a president, you can see that disaster playing out for itself.

The "peace" formula basically says "Pretend Russia isn't winning, give back my stuff. Then, prosecute yourselves and give me money "
White_N said:
This has been talked about since last year.
https://news.yahoo.com/president-zelenskyy-10-point-peace-094800133.html
https://www.reuters.com/world/we-wi...ate-ukrainian-land-says-zelenskiy-2022-11-15/
https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/09/1127421

The plan is about what you would expect from Z-man
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-is-zelenskiys-10-point-peace-plan-2022-12-28/

The plan calls for:

1. Radiation and nuclear safety, focusing on restoring safety around Europe's largest nuclear power plant, Zaporizhzhia in Ukraine, which is now-Russian occupied.
2. Food security, including protecting and ensuring Ukraine's grain exports to the world's poorest nations.
3. Energy security, with focus on price restrictions on Russian energy resources, as well as aiding Ukraine with restoring its power infrastructure, half of which has been damaged by Russian attacks.
4. Release of all prisoners and deportees, including war prisoners and children deported to Russia.
5. Restoring Ukraine's territorial integrity and Russia reaffirming it according the U.N. Charter, which Zelenskiy said is "not up to negotiations".
6. Withdrawal of Russian troops and cessation of hostilities, restoration of Ukraine's state borders with Russia.
7. Justice, including the establishment of a special tribunal to prosecute Russian war crimes.
8. Prevention of ecocide, need for protection of environment, wiit focus on demining and restoring water treatment facilities.
9. Prevention of escalation of conflict, and building security architecture in the Euro-Atlantic space, including guarantees for Ukraine.
10. Confirmation of the war's end, including a document signed by the involved parties.
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This kind of crap can only be demanded from a superior position. Zelensky and UKR are perpetually in denial about the fact they're getting fucking reamed inside out.

Also, it's not really the US causing trouble. It's a weak potato president, Neo-con parasites and ideological retards in his administration posturing with this shit because they're completely blind to the fact it's not 90's Russia any more and every other government outside of Europe fucking hates them.
 
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One of the perks of the cauldron is knowing that the longer it goes on, the higher chance of Ukrainians taking matters into their own hands and rebelling against their own officers for sending them out to die. Ukraine is throwing EVERYTHING at that cauldron and it's going to bite them hard when it's inevitably encircled. Probably the biggest blunder Ukraine has made so far other than requesting tanks despite having no air superiority meaning they're practically useless.

It does make me wonder if Ukraine has some sort of killswitch inside the cauldron, maybe even a nuclear bomb that they're willing to set off if Russia gets close enough. Something that would wipe out the entire area AND allow Zelensky to claim that Russians used nukes on them despite having absolutely no reason to.
 
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Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
One of the perks of the cauldron is knowing that the longer it goes on, the higher chance of Ukrainians taking matters into their own hands and rebelling against their own officers for sending them out to die. Ukraine is throwing EVERYTHING at that cauldron and it's going to bite them hard when it's inevitably encircled. Probably the biggest blunder Ukraine has made so far other than requesting tanks despite having no air superiority meaning they're practically useless.

It does make me wonder if Ukraine has some sort of killswitch inside the cauldron, maybe even a nuclear bomb that they're willing to set off if Russia gets close enough. Something that would wipe out the entire area AND allow Zelensky to claim that Russians used nukes on them despite having absolutely no reason to.
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It's not the first time Ukrainians got encircled and demolished. Nor will it be the last time. This will simply go on. Until Ukrainians wont have much of any manpower left. Especially their experienced fighters. Which they generally most of the time tried to safe from this exact situation. Sacrificing barely trained forced conscripts instead.

With Russians now having a force big enough to defend and attack. And Ukrainians short on manpower. Well the situation is quite shit for Ukies.

No, Ukies have no nukes. Secondly, if by some kind of magic they do and will use it. It's not something they'll able to cover up and get away with it. This will also be a big backlash in the international community not to mention. Not to mention will give Russia a open hand to do whatever the fuck they please.
 
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Hey, so what happened to that Ukrainian tank army that was supposed to make it all the way to Moscow in one fell swoop? Ah, right.
BERLIN — Nearly a month after Berlin gave European allies permission to send German-made tanks to Ukraine, the flow of tanks so many leaders vowed would follow seems more like a trickle.
Some nations have discovered that the tanks in their armory don’t actually work or lack spare parts. Political leaders have encountered unanticipated resistance within their own coalitions, and even from their defense ministries. And some armies had to pull trainers out of retirement to teach Ukrainian soldiers how to use old-model tanks.
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