Terror Trouble in Orlando

Over 50 killed. RIP

 

[Male Idiot]

That just means we're failing at screening people and getting people to adjust to our culture because we don't make them.

It is not that easy. If you screen out everybody who doesn't want men kissing , you'll be processing half of the Republican party.
It is hard to distinguish between someone who just disapproves and still tolerate gays, and someone who is a radical and wants to get violent, if they want to hide it.

And yeah, businesses can't decide not to sell to homosexuals, but they can decide to ban Chris chan? That is some hypocritical shit right there, typical liberal style.

 

[on a serious note]

With all due respect, statements like this aren't really helpful.
A lot of people get the feeling, after these events, that moderate/"good" muslims don't really do anything but point fingers about how it's those other Muslims.
And yeah it's true and it's shitty they are doing that but idk, it even rubs me the wrong way for a reason I can't quite articulate.

I see why you feel this way, but I also feel a bit bad for @Ntwadumela because I don't think he's even the same sect as the people doing all of the attacks. I feel like trying to say the different sects are the same is like saying that there's no big difference between Catholics and Protestants because they are both Christian. Obviously I feel much worse about the people who were slaughtered today than any of this bullshit though.

I could be wrong though, that's just my take on it

 

[MiloWuCollusion]

That just means we're failing at screening people and getting people to adjust to our culture because we don't make them.

But there should a middle way over being either isolation or colonisation as the discourse sometimes gets to one or another.

 

[Dr.Research]

It is not that easy. If you screen out everybody who doesn't want men kissing , you'll be processing half of the Republican party.
It is hard to distinguish between someone who just disapproves and still tolerate gays, and someone who is a radical and wants to get violent, if they want to hide it.

I'm not saying we can only admit LGBTQ friendly immigrants, but I think we should see if anything can be done to distinguish the two types you mentioned. But I agree that, even if possible, it would never be easy.

 

[Ntwadumela]

I see why you feel this way, but I also feel a bit bad for @Ntwadumela because I don't think he's even the same sect as the people doing all of the attacks. I feel like trying to say the different sects are the same is like saying that there's no big difference between Catholics and Protestants because they are both Christian. Obviously I feel much worse about the people who were slaughtered today than any of this bullshit though.

I could be wrong though, that's just my take on it

You are right. I am not a Wahhabi, and I loathe them greatly. I am a Hanafi Sunni, and we are MUCH more moderate and accepting.
Islam has many different schools of thought, those who commit terrorist attacks are Wahhabis/Salafis. This is even stated by the perpetrators themselves.

 

[on a serious note]

I'm an what they call an evangelical, though, which is probably the type you meant? - and I still think this is horrible. I don't really appreciate the LGBT Bakery Gestapo (religious reasons, and I philosophically think that conscience freedom is important for keeping a functional democracy,) but... Dang, you can't just shoot at people, even when a few members of the group sometimes do stuff that's annoying. I mean, I probably AM the "baking cakes should be entirely voluntary for all people" person you're talking about... but I'm still literally crying over this. It's such a terrible tragedy. We share a common humanity: I believe that you don't have to 100% agree with someone to cry for them. (Christ Himself wept for the Jerusalem, which crucified Him.) I hope I'm making sense, I'm so upset now I can't type... I just can't fathom hurting that many people. Even if there was a club full of cannibal neo-nazis, I wouldn't want them shot... It just blows my mind that anyone could do that to someone else... Those poor people. Those poor people! These clubs may need to hire security guards, that might help..? Those poor people... 50... so awful.

Oh, no, I wasn't talking about evangelicals, I was thinking more the people who still think that sodomy should be punishable by death etc. I guess like the Westboro people

 

[MiloWuCollusion]

And yeah, businesses can't decide not to sell to homosexuals, but they can decide to ban Chris chan? That is some hypocritical shit right there, typical liberal style.

Chris Chan is banned as an individual whose actions usually bring problems to this bussiness. In this example, the key word is individual.

 

[Dr.Research]

It is not that easy. If you screen out everybody who doesn't want men kissing , you'll be processing half of the Republican party.
It is hard to distinguish between someone who just disapproves and still tolerate gays, and someone who is a radical and wants to get violent, if they want to hide it.

And yeah, businesses can't decide not to sell to homosexuals, but they can decide to ban Chris chan? That is some hypocritical shit right there, typical liberal style.

Homosexuals aren't macing employees, vandalizing merchandise or creeping on women.

 

[Male Idiot]

Chris Chan is banned as an individual whose actions usually bring problems to this bussiness. In this example, the key word is individual.

They just bully him because of da Autsimu!

You are right. I am not a Wahhabi, and I loathe them greatly. I am a Hanafi Sunni, and we are MUCH more moderate and accepting.
Islam has many different schools of thought, those who commit terrorist attacks are Wahhabis/Salafis. This is even stated by the perpetrators themselves.

Christianity had the same sectarian differences, though usually it was a front for nationalist agendas, like the hungarian nobles taking up protestantism in order to give the Habsburgs the middle finger.
However, Christians have (mostly. I'm looking at you westboros) managed to get over this, and no longer do internal fighting.

Wahabis/Salafis it seem are stuck in the dark age mode, going after everybody else with divine zeal. There were news about a Sunni mosque getting blown up in France. Media went "Nazi" and "Racist" as usual, but it became apparent that it was a muslim who no doubt belonged to one of the fighty sects.

 

[Krispum Western Chumbler]

Nothing I can see that anyone could disagree with

 

[Sailor_Jupiter]

Oh, no, I wasn't talking about evangelicals, I was thinking more the people who still think that sodomy should be punishable by death etc. I guess like the Westboro people

Oh! Those people bug me. Also, slight theological sperging, but I believe it's VERY relevant for people to know: under New Testament doctrine, the capital-punishment sins from the Old Testament are only punished by Christians who are actively practicing them being temporarily kicked out of the church until they repent (like the stepmother incest guy from 1 and 2 Corinthians- when Paul wrote instructions about that guy, Paul- who was an expert trained in rabbinical law- quoted the Old Testament's capital punishment law ("You must put away the evil from among you") when asking for the man to be temporarily kicked out to get him to repent and break off the affair (which according to the beginning of 2 Corinthians, he later did, and was accepted back into the church.) This often-overlooked Scripture is EXTREMELY important for Church doctrine, because it sets the precedent that people guilty of committing "capital" Old Testament sins should NOT be killed, but only temporarily expelled from the church until they repent. People not knowing this and trying to think of executing people for that sort of thing are a serious pet peeve of mine- not just brayer I hate death, but because it's an affront to my sacred theology. (I believe the same passage is also against the church punishing non-Christians for these offenses- it says something along the lines of, "those without, the Lord judges.") It's been a while, I'm going to have to reread the Corinthians... But those two books are a must-read for what should be the church's Biblical position on dealing with capital sins.

 

[Ruin]

You know it's a fucked up situation when Trump sounds like the sanest one in the room. And I hate to say it but he's right, Obama is a fucking disgrace. Fifty people died and all he does is take cheap shots at Republicans and push for gun control.

 

[MiloWuCollusion]

Christianity had the same sectarian differences, though usually it was a front for nationalist agendas, like the hungarian nobles taking up protestantism in order to give the Habsburgs the middle finger.
However, Christians have (mostly. I'm looking at you westboros) managed to get over this, and no longer do internal fighting.
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Thought it took centuries and this sectarism still shows its ugly face in some rethoric and in full mode in no-first world countries.

It should also be noted that part of the reason why this "dark age" sectarism is still there is because actions of the western countries during the past century (and current one to an extent).

 

[Male Idiot]

Nothing that I can see that anyone could disagree with but im sure some faggots will prove me wrong with negative ratings.

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At least he had the courtesy of saying condolescences first. Hillary instantly went "Itwasn'tmuslimsguysbetolerant" .

Thought it took centuries and this sectarism still shows its ugly face in some rethoric and in full mode in no-first world countries.

It should also be noted that part of the reason why this "dark age" sectarism is still there is because actions of the western countries during the past century (and current one to an extent).

Some rhetoric maybe, but full mode? Lol nope. Christian sects are not slaughtering each other anymore. Those wars stopped ages ago, the last thing with a hint of it was the Ireland/UK trouble, and even that was mostly just nationalism where the catholic/anglican angle was just there for the topping.

 

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[Ruin]

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Jesus fucking Christ. Even the Jews didn't march willingly into the ovens. This is mental illness levels of delusional.

 

[MiloWuCollusion]

You know it's a fucked up situation when Trump sounds like the sanest one in the room. And I hate to say it but he's right, Obama is a fucking disgrace. Fifty people died and all he does is take cheap shots at Republicans and push for gun control.

Thought he is also making cheap shoots to Obama (Hilary is going to make cheap shoots to him) even if I agree Obama discuorse was pretty spinless.

"Tough, vigilant smart" rings hollow when the shooter was thinking he was doing that.

 

[melty]

I see why you feel this way, but I also feel a bit bad for @Ntwadumela because I don't think he's even the same sect as the people doing all of the attacks. I feel like trying to say the different sects are the same is like saying that there's no big difference between Catholics and Protestants because they are both Christian. Obviously I feel much worse about the people who were slaughtered today than any of this bullshit though.

I could be wrong though, that's just my take on it

Yeah, to be fair I can't really relate, the worst I have to associate with as an atheist are fedora tippers and they are mostly just annoying not outright violent.
However, one reason I'm a fedora tipper and not a Christian any more is because of Christians chimping out and being hateful all the time.

 

[XYZpdq]

Also as a heads-up I heard on local media the "no homos" rule for blood donating is still in effect.

 

[Ruin]

Yeah, to be fair I can't really relate, the worst I have to associate with as an atheist are fedora tippers and they are mostly just annoying not outright violent.
However, one reason I'm a fedora tipper and not a Christian any more is because of Christians chimping out and being hateful all the time.

Can you give me a recent example of Christians "chimping out?" I seriously can't think of one.