The Sacred Cow of Homosexuality - lmao i'm gonna get so much shit for this

To bring this back on topic for a minute, I think a very big factor in why homosexuality has managed to keep a better public image than, for example, troons, is that they had some well known public figures who managed to convey that illusion of normalcy. People like Stephen Fry were not only successful in media, but also managed to perform well in some staged debates in which he would come across as affable and polite. I think that idea of the otherwise normal man who merely does disgusting things with other consenting adults away from the public. helped sway the public into the bad decision they made. Meanwhile every single public figurehead for trannies turns out to be a PR nightmare waiting to happen. Even the ones who generally stay out of trouble inevitably start looking like ghouls as they age and that alone is enough to put people off, even if they won't say it out loud.

I don't like discretion or the contract, because conditions and terms can change. That's why I will always argue for gay political power.
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Romans 1. Emphasis mine. Always funny to me seeing how perfectly that verse (and the word 'implacable' especially) describes the LGBT movement.
 
this argument would be way more fun if religion was out of it because the argument right now is just "this book a nigger a billion years ago on shrooms wrote says the stuff you do is icky and it says so here, here and here" means nothing. Read this:
"Gays are good and are better than everyone else and all straight people should kill themselves"
kittyfucker manifesto, page 237. Who the fuck cares what the kittyfucker manifesto has to say about gays, you aren't listening to the bible telling you to not mix fabrics - just as you aren't listening to the Quran telling you not to eat pork, or to cover your ankles, or Buddhism telling you not to do drink. No one gives a fuck about what your book does or doesn't say about any given topic and it's completely irrelevant to the discussion and, frankly, an affront to intelligent thought
 
this argument would be way more fun if religion was out of it because the argument right now is just "this book a nigger a billion years ago on shrooms wrote says the stuff you do is icky and it says so here, here and here" means nothing. Read this:
"Gays are good and are better than everyone else and all straight people should kill themselves"
kittyfucker manifesto, page 237. Who the fuck cares what the kittyfucker manifesto has to say about gays, you aren't listening to the bible telling you to not mix fabrics - just as you aren't listening to the Quran telling you not to eat pork, or to cover your ankles, or Buddhism telling you not to do drink. No one gives a fuck about what your book does or doesn't say about any given topic and it's completely irrelevant to the discussion and, frankly, an affront to intelligent thought
its not like most people who link verses don't also contribute other arguments in this thread, its just too easy for people to get off-topic and sperg about denominations and sects when they get buttmad
 
this argument would be way more fun if religion was out of it because the argument right now is just "this book a nigger a billion years ago on shrooms wrote says the stuff you do is icky and it says so here, here and here" means nothing. Read this:
"Gays are good and are better than everyone else and all straight people should kill themselves"
kittyfucker manifesto, page 237. Who the fuck cares what the kittyfucker manifesto has to say about gays, you aren't listening to the bible telling you to not mix fabrics - just as you aren't listening to the Quran telling you not to eat pork, or to cover your ankles, or Buddhism telling you not to do drink. No one gives a fuck about what your book does or doesn't say about any given topic and it's completely irrelevant to the discussion and, frankly, an affront to intelligent thought
The ban on mixed fabrics does not apply to Chrsitians, who follow the New Testament.

And you could say you believe in secular governmental policy without trashing religious people "as an affront to intelligent though". It's possible to both want secular government and be religious at the same time, which was partly the idea behind the founding of the country. And as for atheists being for "intelligent thought," the past fucking 10 years proved that false without a doubt.
 
Anyways, I think one of the most damaging and effective pieces of propaganda that is burrowed deep into most people's psyche is that gays were "born this way". It's such a cynically sympathetic ploy of a claim that was constantly regurgitated to the point where it's one of the LGBT people's chief dogma alongside "love is love" and "trans women are women". They've turned one of the most degenerate acts with humanwide consensus over millenia into something sacrosanct and unquestionable, and I just find it awe-inspiring that it was so successful.
 
Religious wars.
That's a shame, cuz religious fanatics are even bigger fags than actual gays.
To bring this back on topic for a minute, I think a very big factor in why homosexuality has managed to keep a better public image than, for example, troons, is that they had some well known public figures who managed to convey that illusion of normalcy. People like Stephen Fry were not only successful in media, but also managed to perform well in some staged debates in which he would come across as affable and polite. I think that idea of the otherwise normal man who merely does disgusting things with other consenting adults away from the public. helped sway the public into the bad decision they made. Meanwhile every single public figurehead for trannies turns out to be a PR nightmare waiting to happen. Even the ones who generally stay out of trouble inevitably start looking like ghouls as they age and that alone is enough to put people off, even if they won't say it out loud.



Romans 1. Emphasis mine. Always funny to me seeing how perfectly that verse (and the word 'implacable' especially) describes the LGBT movement.
I think that the reason gays managed to gain more acceptance is because back when they were still fighting to gain mainstream acceptance, they never had much light shone on the inner workings of their community. Like nowadays we see so many trannies who hideously deform their own bodies and demand that they're put in the same category as actual men/women on the internet and the news cycle. Whereas with gays, the internet wasn't quite a thing back in the 80s/early 90s and homosexuality in general was kinda taboo for mainstream media to give them too much attention. Like if the general public got to see how fags recklessly rawdogging each other in bathouses or got to know that NAMBLA hosted some of the original pride walkouts, they would've been more reluctant to accept them. Sure alot of people were vehemently speaking out against homosexuals back then, but most of them were religious zealots who make outlandish claims like "Gays are Satan's children set to destroy us" and you're bound to tune them out after a while

Another reason might be that alot of pop culture icons have expressed their support for gays, which is why even Kiwifarms isn't too big on homopobia. Entertainment has a lot more influence than people like to claim. Seinfeld, The 70s show, All In The Family, FRIENDS, The Simpsons, South Park... these are all American classics that alot of Kiwis grew up on and formed their beliefs around, and all of these have had pro gay episodes. And they all handled the subject really well. Unlike today where you have Cartoon Network being all obnoxious and in your face about gay this bigot that not realizing that what they're doing has the exact opposite effect. Sure there are homophobic jokes sprinkled throughout most iconic 90s shows, but when it comes to tackling the subject upfront, I cant recall any of them being anti-gay. Whereas trans acceptance is a pretty recent thing and I have yet to see a truly critically acclaimed piece of media directly championing trannies without coming across as tryhard.

Anyways, I think one of the most damaging and effective pieces of propaganda that is burrowed deep into most people's psyche is that gays were "born this way". It's such a cynically sympathetic ploy of a claim that was constantly regurgitated to the point where it's one of the LGBT people's chief dogma alongside "love is love" and "trans women are women". They've turned one of the most degenerate acts with humanwide consensus over millenia into something sacrosanct and unquestionable, and I just find it awe-inspiring that it was so successful.
I don't know, gays probably are born the way they are. I just don't think anyone would willingly choose to be gay. Like, it has literally zero advantages whatsoever. It serves no purpose from an evolutionary standpoint, and it's stigmatized in 70% of the world. Africans don't fuck with them. Middle easterners don't fuck with them. Eastern europeons don't fuck with them, Asians don't fuck with them. Like what even is the point?

Personally I think people should aim for tolerance than acceptance. Being gay should exist at a certain level of social disapproval and not seen as normal, but don't attack them over something they have no control over. Just leave them alone, you know. And homos should abandon the whole lgbtq pride gender pronoun stuff. I've seen alot of people become homophobic due to how obnoxious the whole rainbow movement has gotten. They should go back to being mostly quiet and reserved about their preferences.

I think Nixon's attitude towards gays is what I'm getting at here.
 
You think that I’m apart of the LGBT movement. I’m over that movement. Have you not been reading my posts? To be honest, I’m a gay separatist.
I've read the posts so far. Basically you want political power to be equal with the straights. That is... absurd. A sexuality shouldn't have power. As an example, I'll use me. I'm a weeb. Do we have some influence over pop culture? Yes. Should we have political power? Fuck no, you know how many degens are in the weeb sphere. Point is, both groups are outliers, deviations. Influence and power are two different things.

Sexuality having power over society is a harm. It leads to degeneracy, loss of cohesion, and soon you end up in a Weimar Germany situation where it tore itself apart. Sex is a powerful thing. It's not to be trifled with.
 
You think that I’m apart of the LGBT movement.
To be honest, I’m a gay separatist.
Well that's consistent at least :story:

I’m over that movement. Have you not been reading my posts?
Have  you been reading your own posts before posting them? Are you ESL? I don't feel like punching down too much for your hilariously bad grammar, but if your body is riddled with AIDS to the point of being dysfunctional, your posts are giving it a run for its money in that department.
 
I find you interesting. There truly is a split within your community, is there?
I thought there was a split pre-9/11, but at least despite the differences the community was united under a common goal. After marriage rights were given, most moved on while others splintered off to form smaller groups; the charitable sort who wanted to help gay kids. There was some riff raff protesting to the legalization like that chick in Texas who refused to issue marriage licenses. But other than that, the community went radio silent after that it is only recently that it's really started to go turbo autistic.

To me, a young man that grew up in the 2000's and 2010's, I'll give you my perspective.

There was a lot of social pressure in schools to be gay once gay marriage was legalized. I saw it from friends, many of them. This was facilitated by these Gay-Straight alliance clubs. It was a confusing time to grow up in to say the least, with many of people you thought you knew now changing and shunning you because you didn't agree with them. Note I didn't say hate. I said disagree. Those people ended up unhappy and also left wing. Proto SJWs/Tumblrites.
I mean this sounds about right, it doesn't really surprise me. I'm guessing here, you were raised in a developed city, ie not rural? I only ask because I've found the upbringing communities have a heavy influence later in life. I was born in a real rural area and I learned a lot from it. When I came to a large city and started working, many of my coworkers and classmates had no idea I'm gay. Which is how I prefer it to be. Because the town I grew up in was very small, everyone knew everyone's business. Our family was intensely private and that habit has rubbed off a little more than I want. I watched other gays get beat up, had a close call or two myself, but still made it out alright.

The interesting thing between yourself and my own experiences is the conservatives were bullies and now it is the leftists that are bullies. It is very interesting seeing the similarities between both extreme sides. The left's arguments are near a mirror of the arguments I heard in the 90s spouted from Christian conservatives. It boggles my mind that more people are unwilling or blind to the glaring similarities in today's life.

Now are some people just born gay? Yes. But few in my observations. I've met one that has met my strict criteria, a butch that honestly should have played football lol. The rest have seemed coerced, new gen, Neo-LGBT as you put it.

I'm curious to see what you think of my observations, I wish to have a dialog.
I think there are confused people who think they are gay but really just need to be treated for bi-polar disorder or insert other mental illness here. Q for questionable, the confused or curious. LGBQ, that's what I should classify myself in the modern era. Anyway, I touched on my thesis in earlier posts, I do think modern generations have been crippled with the access to the internet; specifically, the smartphone. These are just my thoughts, not backed up by any real data.

We honestly should have seen the red flags in the early myspace era. A time when a friend unfollowing you was a school wide fight in the making. Tumbr drama, forum bickering, etc. I didn't own a smart phone until around 2013, I had the same flip phone for years and only got the smartphone due to social pressure.

With Myspace, at least, you had to know how to code or copy paste other's to have a half-way decent page. That was a barrier to entry, a natural gate keeping. That went out the door with the invention of social media apps for your smartphone. "You mean, I don't need to know how to code anymore? Sweet!" A platform kitted out for all your personal page needs, no coding knowledge required. It allowed everyone to start competing with each other socially but at a Global scale.

Like it or not, humans are a species of competition. It is why I believe there will never be "world peace" and wars will be an inevitability; it is just a matter of when. We see it in interactions with our friends. Social dominance is passed around in conversations, sort of an unconscious war to one up or win the conversation. It is just an instinct, no doubt interconnected with reproduction.

Now, this prevalence for social dominance extends to the digital space and we see it on Twitter every day. So now we have people spouting opinions and naturally factions begin of like minded people. It was fine then, it was just people talking on the internet. Fast forward to Obama, the first president to leverage social media. Boom, it was like a light switch, the digital delusions got a bridge to be made into reality. Digital social credit and in person social credit became interconnected, because it was legitimized by a sitting president.

Companies started to poke their heads in and finding ways to leverage it as well. As any good business should. Tech companies started banning conservatives which signaled to the companies and advertisers that "oh no, we should be on the left's side", which is why we got woke companies and decisions being made. It's just been an ongoing feedback loop of nonsense, nonsense that unfortunately also is reality. We see these crossovers with consistency.

It was the same with the gays vs religion, we both spoke past each other and never bothered to actually hear each other. It still happens here on the forum. Those are just my observations of the current era. I gotta say, it definitely hasn't been a boring show!
 
@Absurdist Laughter you've been insightful. To answer your question, I grew up in the country for a while, but middle school, when gay marriage was made law, was in the suburbs. Things were much less private in middle school to say the least. Even though I stayed off social media mostly, it was pushed in school, in books, youtube, and talked about. Constantly. It's why I am the way I am. Friends were lost and people got very confused, some still are I fear.

Not just that but as you mentioned, politics. So much politics. Stuff I shouldn't have been worrying about but was. And again, everyone was talking about. I just wanted to play with Legos man, instead I was forced into that shit. All of us were.part of that was the internet as mentioned. I've seen so many broken families because of this shit.
 
Well that's consistent at least :story:


Have  you been reading your own posts before posting them? Are you ESL? I don't feel like punching down too much for your hilariously bad grammar, but if your body is riddled with AIDS to the point of being dysfunctional, your posts are giving it a run for its money in that department.

Lol. You’re so funny. I should take time to proofread my writing before posting. You are right on that front.

I can be a gay separatist/nationalist and not be apart of the LGBT movement. The LGBT movement has very different from me. I’m

I've read the posts so far. Basically you want political power to be equal with the straights. That is... absurd. A sexuality shouldn't have power. As an example, I'll use me. I'm a weeb. Do we have some influence over pop culture? Yes. Should we have political power? Fuck no, you know how many degens are in the weeb sphere. Point is, both groups are outliers, deviations. Influence and power are two different things.

Sexuality having power over society is a harm. It leads to degeneracy, loss of cohesion, and soon you end up in a Weimar Germany situation where it tore itself apart. Sex is a powerful thing. It's not to be trifled with.

I view sexuality in same vein as race and religion. So my argument is based on the premise that every group has the right to form ethnocentric enclaves and freedom of association. I even support whites and Christians to form businesses and communities that have the right to exclude anyone they want. So my beliefs are very consistent.

One of the reasons why this thread exists is because people are frustrated that LGBT issues intruded into their personal lives. My solution is one of hard boundaries.

There is a correlation between homogeneity and social trust so Americans having their own enclaves would work for everyone.

So yes. I want political power to be equal to straights. Political power as a means to protect and enforce boundaries is what I desire.
 
Lol. You’re so funny. I should take time to proofread my writing before posting. You are right on that front.

I can be a gay separatist/nationalist and not be apart of the LGBT movement. The LGBT movement has very different from me. I’m



I view sexuality in same vein as race and religion. So my argument is based on the premise that every group has the right to form ethnocentric enclaves and freedom of association. I even support whites and Christians to form businesses and communities that have the right to exclude anyone they want. So my beliefs are very consistent.

One of the reasons why this thread exists is because people are frustrated that LGBT issues intruded into their personal lives. My solution is one of hard boundaries.

There is a correlation between homogeneity and social trust so Americans having their own enclaves would work for everyone.

So yes. I want political power to be equal to straights. Political power as a means to protect and enforce boundaries is what I desire.
What you see and what is are two different things. All making enclaves would do is increase stigmitization. Strive to live a normal life. I don't go everywhere with a straight pride pin on my hat. You shouldn't do the same. That's what pisses people off. Getting bombarded endlessly by it. You took June for crying out loud, a whole month just to be gay. It infuriates most.
 
Lol. You’re so funny. I should take time to proofread my writing before posting. You are right on that front.

I can be a gay separatist/nationalist and not be apart of the LGBT movement. The LGBT movement has very different from me. I’m



I view sexuality in same vein as race and religion. So my argument is based on the premise that every group has the right to form ethnocentric enclaves and freedom of association. I even support whites and Christians to form businesses and communities that have the right to exclude anyone they want. So my beliefs are very consistent.

One of the reasons why this thread exists is because people are frustrated that LGBT issues intruded into their personal lives. My solution is one of hard boundaries.

There is a correlation between homogeneity and social trust so Americans having their own enclaves would work for everyone.

So yes. I want political power to be equal to straights. Political power as a means to protect and enforce boundaries is what I desire.
why would you want to have some solidarity on being a homo

i guess the ultranationalist homosexual stereotype is partially true
 
I think the reason people are so visibly uncomfortable when comparing the trans issue with the gay rights issue is because we can clearly see that giving trannies this was leeway was completely incorrect, and the natural conclusion is that we were also incorrect about our veneration of gay people.

They shouldn't be able to marry, they shouldn't be able to adopt, they shouldn't be able to get surrogate designer babies. It all has to stop.

Then people consider the dramatic over the top events that would surround such a societal shift. Many people hold the false belief that taking away the rights of any groups involves a literal Holocaust of violence and chaos. The gears in their brain turn to gay families crying in the street, and then the cognitive dissonance sets in, their brains can't process it.
 
What you see and what is are two different things. All making enclaves would do is increase stigmitization. Strive to live a normal life. I don't go everywhere with a straight pride pin on my hat. You shouldn't do the same. That's what pisses people off. Getting bombarded endlessly by it. You took June for crying out loud, a whole month just to be gay. It infuriates most.

I don’t go broadcasting that I’m gay. Again you’re making the assumptions. I find Proud month cringe.

See below.
why would you want to have some solidarity on being a homo

i guess the ultranationalist homosexual stereotype is partially true

My reasoning stems from the thought that humans are tribalistic. We are all unequal due to nature and nurture. So conflicts will always occur to human differences. People are at their most peaceful with some form of homogeneity.

My beliefs stems from listening to people from the 1930s onwards who liked there enclaves.
 
I don’t go broadcasting that I’m gay. Again you’re making the assumptions. I find Proud month cringe.

See below.


My reasoning stems from the thought that humans are tribalistic. We are all unequal due to nature and nurture. So conflicts will always occur to human differences. People are at their most peaceful with some form of homogeneity.

My beliefs stems from listening to people from the 1930s onwards who liked there enclaves.
how will your gay ethnostate survive
 
I should take time to proofread my writing before posting. You are right on that front.

I can be a gay separatist/nationalist and not be apart of the LGBT movement. The LGBT movement has very different from me. I’m
Oh come on. You're doing this on purpose now, surely.
The two phrases "a part of" and "apart from" mean the opposite things. The word "apart" is like "separate", where as "a part" is like "a piece of".

What do you mean? There are tons of ethnic enclaves in the United States. How do they survive?
I think they mean "how will it survive beyond one generation". I'm all for having homosexuals be segregated into their own communities, as long as it's away from children.
 
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