Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[ForTheHoard]

I honestly couldn't believe people thought the 'ghost of Kiev' was fucking real, that was textbook wartime propaganda. I was like 'what the fuck is this, WWII?' and then I saw people going "ITS TOTES REAL GUYZ" and I'm like, "Well, I guess it is. I'll just hide under my desk when the bombs come."

If a renowned newscaster got on a major network and said "the sky is green" with a straight face, more than 10% of the population would believe it at least until they walked outside.

 

[make_it_so]

For some reason UK media (Channel 4 news) decided to highlight holhol military success around Ugledar...by showing a knocked out American MRAP.

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For some reason the UK media (Channel 4 news) decided to highlight UKR military success around Ugledar ... by showing a knocked out American MRAP.

t.me

Speaking of useless wunderwaffen...what's the point of trying to use MRAPs in this war? They usually don't carry anything heavier than a .50 cal machinegun, they're usually too slow and heavy to be effective battlefield taxis, too slow heavy and large to be effective scouts, oh and being both heavy and wheeled they probably get easily bogged down in those muddy fields where the majority of combat is taking place. Unless there's some really heavy and widespread use of mines that I'm not aware of, this just seems like the Pentagon is trying to offload a bunch of vehicles they bought thinking they were going to be doing police actions in Iraq and Afghanistan for the next 30 years.

 

[Cold Root Beer]

If a renowned newscaster got on a major network and said "the sky is green" with a straight face, more than 10% of the population would believe it at least until they walked outside.

Even worse:

"The Sky is green, and APPROVED HATE TARGET are idiots who think it's blue because they're brainwashed!"

 

[Feline Supremacist]

thats because they used them wrong. their little slav minds dont understand complicated machines...
the PRH isnt designed to fire salvo after salvo from a stationary position.. its designed to fire short burst, destroy an enemy artillery nest, move, shot again, etc. its armored like a tank and fast as a tank and doesnt need more time to stop and shot than a tank and it even can defend itself against a tank with direct fire. its build to move with an armored force.

I guess they believe the divine spirits of Guderian and Rommel will guide them if they paint a hakenkreuz or SS lighting bolts on it,

I honestly couldn't believe people thought the 'ghost of Kiev' was fucking real, that was textbook wartime propaganda. I was like 'what the fuck is this, WWII?' and then I saw people going "ITS TOTES REAL GUYZ" and I'm like, "Well, I guess it is. I'll just hide under my desk when the bombs come."

Adam Kinzinger's tweet was the chef's kiss of holhol propaganda.

Speaking of useless wunderwaffen...what's the point of trying to use MRAPs in this war? They usually don't carry anything heavier than a .50 cal machinegun, they're usually too slow and heavy to be effective battlefield taxis, too slow heavy and large to be effective scouts, oh and being both heavy and wheeled they probably get easily bogged down in those muddy fields where the majority of combat is taking place. Unless there's some really heavy and widespread use of mines that I'm not aware of, this just seems like the Pentagon is trying to offload a bunch of vehicles they bought thinking they were going to be doing police actions in Iraq and Afghanistan for the next 30 years.

"this just seems like the Pentagon is trying to offload a bunch of vehicles they bought"

You just answered you own question, and remember, these Pentagon procurement generals are laying the groundwork to get cushy positions with contractors after retirement so they make sure to be extra nice to them when putting out bids.

 

[YumeNoHero]

I honestly couldn't believe people thought the 'ghost of Kiev' was fucking real, that was textbook wartime propaganda. I was like 'what the fuck is this, WWII?' and then I saw people going "ITS TOTES REAL GUYZ" and I'm like, "Well, I guess it is. I'll just hide under my desk when the bombs come."

Spoiler: Just an anecdote, possibly PL as well

I have a Vietnamese friend who's been living in Vietnam for most of their life. Their father participated in NVA/VC army and used to tell a lot of war stories, mostly commie propaganda. One of them particularly stood out is an "unnamed soldier" managed to shoot down a freaking B-52 with his rusty AK-47, and HE STILL BELIEVE IT TO THIS DAY. And in this current date where it's easy to disprove such bull, people will still choose to believe and affirm it instead of looking at at it objectively for what it is: Unverifiable information at best and blatant propaganda at worst.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Speaking of useless wunderwaffen...what's the point of trying to use MRAPs in this war? They usually don't carry anything heavier than a .50 cal machinegun, they're usually too slow and heavy to be effective battlefield taxis, too slow heavy and large to be effective scouts, oh and being both heavy and wheeled they probably get easily bogged down in those muddy fields where the majority of combat is taking place. Unless there's some really heavy and widespread use of mines that I'm not aware of, this just seems like the Pentagon is trying to offload a bunch of vehicles they bought thinking they were going to be doing police actions in Iraq and Afghanistan for the next 30 years.

I wouldn't call an MRAP a wunderwaffen. It's at the end of the day just a lightly armored troop carrier. Might as well ask why send M113's or why use older BTR70's that are armed only with a 12.7mm MG in the turret. It's main use is as a slightly armored, mine resistant way to carry a small squad of troops or supplies between operational areas, FOBs etc. Also if you think MRAP's are too slow and heavy to be battlefield taxis then I'd like you to let me know what the better options are. I'll be waiting.

I'd rather be riding in an MRAP than in a regular 2 ton truck.

 

[make_it_so]

Also if you think MRAP's are too slow and heavy to be battlefield taxis then I'd like you to let me know what the better options are. I'll be waiting.

Well, like you mentioned - actual dedicated APC's like the NATO-provided M113's or Ukraine's own various types of BTR's. The impression I've gotten from MRAP's is that they're typically a bit heavier than other APC's while also being more limited in their carrying capacity for vehicles their size. That they're great for peacekeeping in third world brushfire conflicts where you're up against irregulars armed with RPG-7's and IED's, but big targets in an open set-piece battle conflict where the other side has tanks, artillery, and ATGM's. If I'm mistaken in my impression, please correct me.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

The response of Ukraine to the loss of Bakhmut:

Intel Slava Z

We need operational groups that will deal with the targeted liquidation of the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Security Service of Ukraine, and the political leaders of the Kiev regime. So that no one in the ranks of the enemy sleeps peacefully, even in the rear areas, even in...

t.me

Edit: The girl boy who was injured in the Bryansk region during the shelling of a car by Ukrainian saboteurs is alive, she was hospitalized.

Bryansk is in Russia proper, 379 kilometers southwest of Moscow.

We, the United States, are now supporting a state using the tactics of Al Qaeda: Ukraine.

Ukraine is a terrorist state.

Edited to add: The man driving the car was killed instantly. Two more children, girls, were unharmed and are safe.

 

[Lev El Shmeckle]

We, the United States, are now supporting a state using the tactics of Al Qaeda: Ukraine.

Just a friendly reminder, m'lady, it was YOUR country that have made Al-Quaeda, ISIS, some other lesser known terrorist cells\groups and what is Ukrainian army these days.

The response of Ukraine to the loss of Bakhmut:

Why, I see it is a national tradition of terror the innocent. Terrifying. I do hope that Putin will respond accordingly.

Nuke Kyiv and Lviv please!

 

[Feline Supremacist]

“They shot at a woman who was standing near the house” - the story of a resident of Sushan, who is now right there, about Ukrainian saboteurs with grenade launchers who took hostages in the village​

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A resident of Sushan, who is at the epicenter of the ongoing events, told Readovka how the Ukrainian DRG entered the village. According to her, seven people with machine guns went down one street, the rest - down another. In total, several dozen people entered the village, completely burned the house, now they are holding hostages in residential buildings. The locals are in panic - a woman with a trembling voice talks about what is happening right now.​

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“I saw everyone with my own eyes… [They] with grenade launchers, machine guns, leaflets. They shot at a woman who was standing near the house,” a resident told Readovka in hysterics. https://t.me/Slavyangrad/35569​

This is the kind of escalation the Ukroswine wanted. Let me be the first to advise the assmad hatter in this thread Americans aren't going to do a Slav war for their assbackwards peasants, but I look forward to seeing them in selfies kitted up to meet Russia head on.

Oh that's right, the sniverling money grubbing cowards try to get others to do their dirty work. We'll see if it works out the way they expect this time.

 

[Meh123]

The response of Ukraine to the loss of Bakhmut:

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Intel Slava Z

We need operational groups that will deal with the targeted liquidation of the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Security Service of Ukraine, and the political leaders of the Kiev regime. So that no one in the ranks of the enemy sleeps peacefully, even in the rear areas, even in...

t.me

The girl who was injured in the Bryansk region during the shelling of a car by Ukrainian saboteurs is alive, she was hospitalized.

Bryansk is in Russia proper, 379 kilometers southwest of Moscow.

We, the United States, are now supporting a state using the tactics of Al Qaeda: Ukraine.

Ukraine is a terrorist state.

Not that the ukies aren't capable of terrorism, but I found no hard evidence or proper reporting on this issue on the net. Redditards are dismissing it as a false flag (why tf would russia need a false flag for, I wonder)
Any news source with pic/video evidence of the battle?

I'm also wondering how did the group penetrate the border without RF noticing it.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Not that the ukies aren't capable of terrorism, but I found no hard evidence or proper reporting on this issue on the net. Redditards are dismissing it as a false flag (why tf would russia need a false flag for, I wonder)
Any news source with pic/video evidence of the battle?

It's still in progress, so don't expect anything until the FSB has it under control.

Also, reddit, really?

 

[Meh123]

Also, reddit, really?

What? I did say I didn't find reliable sources, just chaff and the tg channels you're quoting.

 

[Honeybadger v2]

Redditors need to be burned in the pit of shit.
It just happened and still is happening. Wait for the videos, there would be plenty.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Redditors need to be burned in the pit of shit.
It just happened and still is happening. Wait for the videos, there would be plenty.

And here is the Holhol Al Qaeda, right on time

Lord Of War

⚡️🇺🇦🇷🇺Ukroids from the so-called. "The Russian Volunteer Corps of the Armed Forces of Ukraine published a video at the entrance to the medical and obstetric station in the village of Lyubchany, Bryansk region. The militants in the video claim.

t.me

The Ukraine is a terrorist state.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Well, like you mentioned - actual dedicated APC's like the NATO-provided M113's or Ukraine's own various types of BTR's. The impression I've gotten from MRAP's is that they're typically a bit heavier than other APC's while also being more limited in their carrying capacity for vehicles their size. That they're great for peacekeeping in third world brushfire conflicts where you're up against irregulars armed with RPG-7's and IED's, but big targets in an open set-piece battle conflict where the other side has tanks, artillery, and ATGM's. If I'm mistaken in my impression, please correct me.

MRAP is a very vague term and can mean anything from the Oshkosh M-ATV which is basically a mine-hardened Humvee replacement and has a 5 man crew, to the Caiman 6x6 which is twice as big and heavy but can carry a crew of 10.

That said they both can hit approximately 60 mph despite their weight.

The M113 is honestly quite possibly worse than MRAP option above because, while they can carry more crew than the M-ATV and is physically smaller than the Cougar, I doubt it's more survivable than either option. The M113 can be penetrated by armor piercing ammo in larger calibers that are man-portable (7.62 NATO black tip AP will pen an M113 and will also pen the side armor of a BTR-70, not sure of the frontal area but possibly that as well), and virtually anything that isn't a relatively modern MBT can be destroyed with any sort of man-portable or stationary AT weapon. Yes, this includes simple RPG-7's firing a 60 year old PG-7(V, M, VL, etc) warhead. The M113 and BTR-70 also have far lower top speeds which means when the road is clear they will still be a more easily picked off target simply by virtue of being easier to hit as they are driving down the road.

I'm not a military expert or particularly well-versed in doctrine, tactics and whatnot, but saying MRAPs are worthless is IMHO a lie. The one in the photo appears to be some flavor of International MaxxPro, which is middle of the road as far as size and weight for MRAPs goes, and was actually slated to be an M113 replacement.

 

[Meh123]

The Ukraine is a terrorist state.

Agree.
What would be the endgame in this mission? Looks like a diversion, but from what? Bakhmut? The ammo depot in Moldova?

 

[Lev El Shmeckle]

Now I'm 1000% assured that Ukraine need to get turn into dust

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Not that the ukies aren't capable of terrorism, but I found no hard evidence or proper reporting on this issue on the net. Redditards are dismissing it as a false flag (why tf would russia need a false flag for, I wonder)
Any news source with pic/video evidence of the battle?

I'm also wondering how did the group penetrate the border without RF noticing it.

The border of Russia is very porous and much much bigger than the border between the US and Mexico (and along terrain that's much harder to monitor, not flat desert wasteland for miles in each direction). It's impossible to prevent this sort of thing. I knew guys that went to fight in the DPR/LNR regions back when the whole thing kicked off and bunch of young guys decided to go be war tourists or actually wanted to help out of some sense of patriotism and they literally just got shuttled across the border through the forest and that was it.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Agree.
What would be the endgame in this mission? Looks like a diversion, but from what? Bakhmut? The ammo depot in Moldova?

это провокация--It's to provoke Russia into going hard, so they can cry about it and say look how awful Russia is!

You know, like the jewish saw about the definition of chutzpah--a man who killed his parents throws himself on the mercy of the court crying he's an orphan. Because Ukraine is also a jewish state in addition to being a terrorist state. Just like they terrorized the Arabs and British in Palestine so they could get their jewish state, killing and murdering until they got their way.