Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Absolutego]

Allegedly a weak Russia

Also the continued stigmatization of non-USA approved wars on European soil.
NATO doesn't want that coming back as a norm. Russians out, Germans down, etc, etc.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Mass depopulation, wartime martial law enabling drastic reworking of government, rationing, private-public lines being erased entirely to fuel a war effort, politicians given the go-ahead for mass censorship, militarization/deputization of loyal bugmen as "patriots" against any who would cry foul at election results... and more I'm probably not thinking of...

WW3 seems to be really, really good if you're a psychopathic dictatorial retard with a batshit insane plan that for whatever reason needs to be accomplished by 2030, whose name ends in -aub.

I'm still suspecting that the WEF is just the designated scapegoat to take the blame for the failures and hubris of the ruling classes. Normies know the name Klaus Schwab but don't know who Kissinger and Nuland are. Why? Schwab dresses funny, has a weird accent, and generally acts like a Bond villain, whereas Kissinger and Nuland are drab boring politicians who aren't interesting and are making me sleepy, anyone else feeling sleepy bros?

 

[LurkTrawl]

I'm still suspecting that the WEF is just the designated scapegoat to take the blame for the failures and hubris of the ruling classes. Normies know the name Klaus Schwab but don't know who Kissinger and Nuland are. Why? Schwab dresses funny, has a weird accent, and generally acts like a Bond villain, whereas Kissinger and Nuland are drab boring politicians who aren't interesting and are making me sleepy, anyone else feeling sleepy bros?

I think you're missing my point by laser-focusing on the WEF thing. Consider it [insert your local Western globohomo-friendly government here] for your purposes I guess.

 

[make_it_so]

It is ridiculous though, the US military spends an absolute fuckload on R&D weaponry so you'd assume their state of the art arms would actually be state of the art, instead they're proving to be pretty expensive paperweights unless they have full air superiority which would never happen in a contested conventional war. When was the last time we heard a peep about HIMARS? If they get within air support range they're toast.

I'm not even mad, I'm just disappointed. By now we should have robots that are capable of walking through burning buildings and executing their target or subsonic missiles that could destroy a barracks seconds after launch, instead we've just got 1950s weaponry with shiny computers and other shit tacked on in them and tanks that still cannot deal with wet mud.

The thing is, all that high tech state of the art weaponry won't change a thing if you use it improperly or use it by itself. Like in that 1970s vintage US Army training video I posted way back, combined arms and teamwork is what ultimately wins the battles - the cutting edge weapons are just the tools. Each system has its own strengths and weaknesses that complement each other and fill in gaps when used together.

Ukraine, meanwhile, as far as we can tell has been using these items piecemeal and just throwing them into the meatgrinder.

 

[Absolutego]

I'm still suspecting that the WEF is just the designated scapegoat to take the blame for the failures and hubris of the ruling classes. Normies know the name Klaus Schwab but don't know who Kissinger and Nuland are. Why? Schwab dresses funny, has a weird accent, and generally acts like a Bond villain, whereas Kissinger and Nuland are drab boring politicians who aren't interesting and are making me sleepy, anyone else feeling sleepy bros?

Kissinger has the same dopey Kraut accent as Schwab, he's just old as shit and doesn't do public appearances so much now.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

I think you're missing my point by laser-focusing on the WEF thing. Consider it [insert your local Western globohomo-friendly government here] for your purposes I guess.

Fair enough, and I think they could be playing both directions. As in, the neolibs do want to implement all that, but they're also positioning the WEF as behind all of it, in the case it blows up in their face and people start looking for a guilty party to string up.

It's hard to tell who in the western governments is going along with the herd for pragmatic reasons (and can change their opinion when needed), and who is an actual true believer. Trudeau and Ardern seemed like true believers but now they're being shitcanned. If there are enough true believers, they'll try to push through all that globohomo shit. If there are more pragmatists, they'll change the narrative as it fits them.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. WEF will be blamed for all the extreme shit, the pro-WEF candidates will be replaced with more pragmatic ones, but they'll still try to shove through some of that 2030 shit, just less extreme and more covertly. Shit like CBDCs will get implemented for sure. It's the classic "two steps back, one step forward" move.

 

[870EVO]

The US consulate in Milan was hacked.




Ukraine claims the Bryansk video is faked. But trackamerc confirms they are Ukrainian.

https://twitter.com/LogKa11/status/1631294695123873793

Wagner sends greetings from the center of Bakhmut

https://twitter.com/Levi_godman/status/1631236550976585729

 

[Useful_Mistake]

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukraine-produces-a-simplified-version-of-t-72-tanks/

Ukraine produces a simplified version of Т-72 tanks - Militarnyi | Ghostarchive

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[Nopenopenope]

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Null warned us about the terrifying power of anime, and it seems Moscow listened!

Something I've never understood, why are Russians such weebs?

 

[Absolutego]

Something I've never understood, why are Russians such weebs?

Russians have more the "it's perpetually cold outside so we're all terminally online internet addicts" kind of weebery going on. Same as the Nords and Canadians.
They've got nothing on the Latinos. Goku is practically a Mexican folk hero now.

 

[The Foxtrot]

Given how the Chinese have been trying to model GWOT style expeditionary capabilites and embracing maneuver warfare, I don't think they were expecting parts of the Donbass to turn into a moonscape like Passchendaele.

US doctrine never really accounted for using up that much ammunition, it focused too much on fighting goat herders in the desert in the last 30 years.

The thing is, all that high tech state of the art weaponry won't change a thing if you use it improperly or use it by itself. Like in that 1970s vintage US Army training video I posted way back, combined arms and teamwork is what ultimately wins the battles - the cutting edge weapons are just the tools. Each system has its own strengths and weaknesses that complement each other and fill in gaps when used together.

Ukraine, meanwhile, as far as we can tell has been using these items piecemeal and just throwing them into the meatgrinder.

I think that's another big problem the USA/NATO has had: We emphasize the whole "badass gunfighter operator" shtick, which works really well against goat herders, but we've forgotten that this shit is irrelevant when one good artillery barrage can wipe out entire sections of an army.
Instead of focusing on making the mostest badass Call of Duty operators, we should have point blank told these bearded assholes:

"Listen fuckhead, when we go to war with the Chinese or the Russians, your life is worth precisely fuck-all. All that expensive training and equipment just means when we have to replace you, "wolf of odin", it'll cost us more to do so than a basic rifle infantryman. And for the price of making one of you, we could train and equip a platoon of them."

And then focused on making big, strong, conventional military. Instead, we have hyperfocused on all this special warfare bullshit we have forgotten how to fight a real one.

 

[LurkTrawl]

Russians have more the "it's perpetually cold outside so we're all terminally online internet addicts" kind of weebery going on. Same as the Nords and Canadians.
They've got nothing on the Latinos. Goku is practically a Mexican folk hero now.

I feel like DBZ is where wrassle wrassle meets anime.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

I think that's another big problem the USA/NATO has had: We emphasize the whole "badass gunfighter operator" shtick, which works really well against goat herders, but we've forgotten that this shit is irrelevant when one good artillery barrage can wipe out entire sections of an army.
Instead of focusing on making the mostest badass Call of Duty operators, we should have point blank told these bearded assholes:

"Listen fuckhead, when we go to war with the Chinese or the Russians, your life is worth precisely fuck-all. All that expensive training and equipment just means when we have to replace you, "wolf of odin", it'll cost us more to do so than a basic rifle infantryman. And for the price of making one of you, we could train and equip a platoon of them."

And then focused on making big, strong, conventional military. Instead, we have hyperfocused on all this special warfare bullshit we have forgotten how to fight a real one.

I mean, I kind of get it. US focused on what was needed for them at the time for the sandbox shit, but they neglected to think ahead. They relied on high tech deterrents, glow ops, and intel instead, thinking they would never get dragged into a full scale conflict where the only thing that matters is how many artillery rounds you can make in a day.

They say there is nothing more humbling than seeing, hearing, and feeling a piece of artillery in action up close. When it goes off, it makes a person remember just how soft and squishy they are, even with all the fancy gear and training.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Baron of the Taiga on Twitter: "- We have to be patient. It took a long time for 1917 to come about. - Boris Johnson was great on Ukraine, but literally couldn't run the government" / Twitter | Ghostarchive

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Interview (Russian):

Полный видео-пранк с членом Палаты Лордов и экс-министром иностранных дел Великобритании Уильямом Хе

Во время беседы с «Петро Порошенко» Уильям Хейг признался, что США и Британия меняли политические режимы в «слабых и маленьких странах», но так и не смогли устроить переворот в России. Политик рассказал как оказывает давление на свое правительство в вопросе поставок дальнобойных ракет и...

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Local archive to come.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

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Ukraine produces a simplified version of Т-72 tanks - Militarnyi | Ghostarchive

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So we got:
1) Shitty, old, poorly maintained Leo 1s
2) A literal handful of modern Leo 2s
3) Shitty export M1s.....eventually
4) And now shittier T72s

Lol, just lmao.

And yet the shitty T72 cuck editions will be the most useful because at least there's overlap with existing skillsets because you know, I really have my doubts the foreign trained Ukrainians are going to be the reincarnation of Patton's 3d Army like some seem to believe.

 

[make_it_so]

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Null warned us about the terrifying power of anime, and it seems Moscow listened!

I mean, it's true. Just pop over to the the Pikamee Happenings thread and you'll see that a clash between VTuber weebs and Trannies is about to bring about the long promised Total Retard War.

So we got:
1) Shitty, old, poorly maintained Leo 1s
2) A literal handful of modern Leo 2s
3) Shitty export M1s.....eventually
4) And now shittier T72s

Lol, just lmao.

And yet the shitty T72 cuck editions will be the most useful because at least there's overlap with existing skillsets because you know, I really have my doubts the foreign trained Ukrainians are going to be the reincarnation of Patton's 3d Army like some seem to believe.

Not just training, but the T-72s would've also been a better fit from the start due to shared ammunition, spare parts, and other logistics. I don't know how many T-72s there still are left in former Warsaw Pact turned NATO member states' stocks, but those are what should've been sought out from the start.

 

[870EVO]

Glen Greenwald brings up Oliver Stones banned film "Ukraine on Fire" that explores Nuland and the State Depts role in 2013-2014 in Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1631361591009501197

https://twitter.com/thesiriusreport/status/1631216142957068288

https://twitter.com/thesiriusreport/status/1631185764628267008

"In the CIA we didn't give a hoot about democracy... If a country didn't co-operate with us, democracy didn't mean a thing, and I don't think it means a thing today" — ex-CIA Philip Agee

"I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole. We had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Former CIA director Pompeo

"We'll intervene whenever we decide it's in our national security interests to intervene. And if you don't like it, lump it." — Duane Clarridge Ex CIA Chief

https://twitter.com/real1maria/status/1628647473408356352

 

[Got Milk!]

Has anyone seen anything more about that Polish tank crew situation? I feel it wasn't real but would be a little bit fucking insane if it was. Can't exactly say they're the Foreign Legion piloting that sort of hardware.

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

Explosion in Moscow Oblast near location of previous downed UKR drone



The fucking smugness of these assholes is something to behold

Bruh, you just lost the most pivotal battle in the fucking war.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

I think Mearsheimer predicted that either Russia can make a sensible peace agreement with UA or they'll have to go in and wreck the country militarily. Probably the russians will try to do away with the zelinski regime and install a pupet that will do whatever told to do, and get out all NATO forces.

I think this is the problem that Russia doesn't really know how to solve. Its the quagmire. NATO's contingent diplomatic services have proven themselves to be so corrupt and willing to break or bend or violate any treaty they sign that it has become pointless to entertain them at all. Ukraine is just a NATO puppet at this point so Russia has literally no apparatus to hang a diplomatic framework to the conflict on. This leaves them with the conquest option which is equally daunting, the notion that Russia is able to annex a land mass the size of France and Germany combined in modern times is laughable, the US couldn't stabilize a country 1/5th the size of Ukraine, Russia would end up devoured by partisan activity.

So how does Russia get out of the mess? Just conquer everything east of the Dneiper, take Kiev and Odessa and just leave a rump state in the western half of Ukraine? The "ending" to this conflict is so open ended that I doubt anyone has a reasonable solution that would assuage any party. Prigozhin seems to be forecasting on a 3-4 year time frame for the war, I'm wondering if others in Moscow also think the same.