Study shows gun control would prevent mass shootings

(ANOTHER MASS SHOOTING IN A GUN FREE ZONE)
That's another point I forgot to make. Two of the three such shootings I mentioned were in mandated gun-free zones, and in one of those, an armed man was ordered to stand down when he could've put a stop to things before more lives were lost.
 
Because banning guns doesn't actually get rid of guns.

I know. You're right. It's just hard to be rational right now. Anything more than totally enraged. It's just not something you think will happen to people you know for real and drank with and danced with and laughed with created memories with. Just what the fuck? You see it in the news. It's just hard to be rational. I guess I really will delete what I wrote. It was written while completely shocked and livid and heartbroken. Just how. And why?
 
Guns can be acquired illegally, you know. Taking defense weapons from law-abiding citizens would solve nothing.
If someone in that nightclub had had a concealed firearm (? I didn't read the full story but I'm assuming no one did), I doubt the death toll would have been so high.
I understand that it was very tragic, but semiautomatics are not the problem. A handgun would indeed have accomplished the same ghastly deed.

For argument's sake, let's say guns are made illegal to purchase in the USA.
What's there to stop people who want to kill others from obtaining them overseas, or going down to Mexico, or any number of areas here in our own country that skirt the laws? What about people who come here illegally and already happen to possess firearms?

Additionally, what if everyone started killing with knives and swords instead? Do we ban sharp things? Where does it stop?
It's an issue with no clear solution. I don't believe for a moment that guns should be taken from the people.

In my home state, there have been three recent shootings, two of which have taken place in venues that I've frequented for some time. Areas I've grown up in, and near.
It's very real to me, too, but a knee jerk reaction to disarm the populace is highly unlikely to help us.
Just making guns less available stops a lot of gun crime. Criminals are lazy and don't have much self discipline so they would just give up on commiting gun crimes when it is extremely difficult to obtain guns.

We should restrict bladed weapons too just like in Japan for the same reason but they need less restrictions
 
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Just making guns less available stops a lot of gun crime. Criminals are lazy and don't have much self discipline so they would just give up on commiting gun crimes when it is extremely difficult to obtain guns.

We should restrict bladed weapons too just like in Japan for the same reason but they need less restrictions

The issue beyond any constitutional argument is that there are close to 350 million firearms in the USA right now. When Australia did their gun confiscation and destruction, they predicted they would get 2-3 million firearms turned in. They got around 600,000. Do you know what that means?

1-2 million banned firearms remain in Australia in the hands of people who have seen the government rip legally obtained property out of their neighbor's hands with extremely minimal monetary compensation under the threat of legal consequences.

Now turn that into 350 million.
 
Just making guns less available stops a lot of gun crime. Criminals are lazy and don't have much self discipline so they would just give up on commiting gun crimes when it is extremely difficult to obtain guns.

We should restrict bladed weapons too just like in Japan for the same reason but they need less restrictions
It is much easier to get a gun illegally than legally in much of the United States. Banning legal guns would not make it any harder to get guns.
 
Also before I stop reading this crap and my brain explodes I'd like to add that I can understand handguns in home and rifles for hunting. Not comfortable with them myself but have shot them before in gun ranges. It's just I can't grasp why someone needs something purely made to hurt others in cold blood and not for protection purposes. (I.e assault weapons etc) That was mostly what I was intending to get at before emotions completely destroyed trying to reach that point.

@KatsuKitty i do agree at this point they're already out there it's hard to grasp at least in this generation what difference further restrictions would make. I can't help but lean that way however. Though I am in no way deluded enough to not understand that the black market will always exist.

Perhaps this is all based in a fantasy land where world peace is a possibility. Except it isn't and never will be.
 
Also before I stop reading this crap and my brain explodes I'd like to add that I can understand handguns in home and rifles for hunting. Not comfortable with them myself but have shot them before in gun ranges. It's just I can't grasp why someone needs something purely made to hurt others in cold blood and not for protection purposes. (I.e assault weapons etc) That was mostly what I was intending to get at before emotions completely destroyed trying to reach that point.

@KatsuKitty i do agree at this point they're already out there it's hard to grasp at least in this generation what difference further restrictions would make. I can't help but lean that way however. Though I am in no way deluded enough to not understand that the black market will always exist.

Perhaps this is all based in a fantasy land where world peace is a possibility. Except it isn't and never will be.

The FBI and Centers for Disease Control did independent studies regarding what kinds of firearms are used in firearms related deaths (all deaths including self defense, accidental death, suicide and homicide). Semi-automatic rifles, so called "assault weapons" account for less than two percent (2%) of ALL firearms related deaths. Most people who buy these types of rifles, myself included, buy them for recreational use and possible home defense. Most criminals use cheap handguns or rarely cheap shotguns. An assault weapons ban, like they tried in 1994-2004, will do absolutely nothing to save lives. That's why the original bill wasn't renewed in 2004. If another one were passed it would literally only affect law abiding citizens who have no desire to kill anyone.

This is a tragedy. I don't want to get political about any shooting. I'm deeply saddened by any irrational loss of life. I just want people to be decent to eachother. Live and let live.
 
Guns are not the major problem in America. It's security. Far too often do we see incidents like this nowadays around the world without anticipation. We need better security guards with better weapons, and we need better surveillance and intel on certain people. A disaster like what happened recently in Orlando could've been prevented if there was better security and qualified staff.
 
Guns are not the major problem in America. It's security. Far too often do we see incidents like this nowadays around the world without anticipation. We need better security guards with better weapons, and we need better surveillance and intel on certain people. A disaster like what happened recently in Orlando could've been prevented if there was better security and qualified staff.

Any club that caters to large, dense crowds should have numerous, well marked exits and have to announce them regularly. Too many of these places have no way to escape if something like this happens, or even something like a fire (arson or otherwise).
 
Guns are not the major problem in America. It's security. Far too often do we see incidents like this nowadays around the world without anticipation. We need better security guards with better weapons, and we need better surveillance and intel on certain people. A disaster like what happened recently in Orlando could've been prevented if there was better security and qualified staff.

I think people's lives are more important than to simply put it in the hands of a security guard making $10/hr who has only had one day of firearms training. While it can be a deterrent, many of these tragic shootings all happen in Gun Free Zones. People need to stop buying into the anti-gun propaganda that if more people have carry permits and actually carry that it will be like the Wild West. I carry and have for years. Everyone I know that carries does so with the mindset that they NEVER want to have a need to pull their weapon, but if they have to it is because their life or a loved ones life is in mortal danger.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to defend yourself. It shouldn't be shameful to carry a gun, so long as you are responsible. Unfortunately the statistics for people who use firearms in self defense aren't recorded as accurately as when firearms are used in a crime, but it actually happens far more often than you hear about. Sadly you're less likely to hear "Man/Woman saves lives with concealed firearm" than you are "Person with concealed gun shoots bystander during car jacking" not because the latter happens more often, the exact opposite is true actually, but because it's more entertaining and it pushes the "guns are bad and people who have them are irresponsible idiots" narrative.

If you really want to be safe, no matter what, then learn about firearms, take courses to learn how to carry and use them safely, and always be responsible with them. I understand many people aren't comfortable with them. There is nothing wrong with that. Firearms aren't for everyone. But always keep in mind that there is nothing wrong with wanting to protect yourself, because at the end of the day you are the only person you can rely on every minute of the day. Countless people die all the time while waiting for help to arrive. The police will only go into a situation when they are reasonably sure they will not get hurt. That could take hours.

And don't just take my word for it. For the love of God, don't just take ANYONE'S word for it! I urge everyone to educate themselves. Look up actual statistics from unbiased sources, like the FBI or CDC. If you follow whatever the NRA or Everytown For Gun Safety tells you (or any other utterly biased group on either side of the gun debate) you will never be fully educated and won't grow as a person with real knowledge on the subject. Sadly politicians, the media, and groups like Everytown and the NRA are all pushing agendas and will not give you the truth. Like with self defense, it's up to you and you alone to get the facts and form your own opinions.
 
The FBI and Centers for Disease Control did independent studies regarding what kinds of firearms are used in firearms related deaths (all deaths including self defense, accidental death, suicide and homicide). Semi-automatic rifles, so called "assault weapons" account for less than two percent (2%) of ALL firearms related deaths. Most people who buy these types of rifles, myself included, buy them for recreational use and possible home defense. Most criminals use cheap handguns or rarely cheap shotguns. An assault weapons ban, like they tried in 1994-2004, will do absolutely nothing to save lives. That's why the original bill wasn't renewed in 2004. If another one were passed it would literally only affect law abiding citizens who have no desire to kill anyone.

This is a tragedy. I don't want to get political about any shooting. I'm deeply saddened by any irrational loss of life. I just want people to be decent to eachother. Live and let live.

I think my biggest gripe is the whole a good guy w a gun defeating a bad guy with a gun. Take aurora. They were in a dark movie theater. Literally nobody had a clue. Theaters have stairs, most everyone would be occupied by the screen and they are also pretty cramped. There is absolutely no way a good guy with a gun could have saved the day. A lot of situations are like that due to the element of surprise combined with the chaos that absolutely will follow during and after would not be easy.

I'm not sure if you're insinuating that I don't know the facts. I do. I also know that a ban wouldn't curb shit in this generation. Something must need to change. I hope you didn't think I was being political it was mostly just ranting because I was so frazzled yesterday.

As far as live and let live, I say that fairly regularly myself. Working in shelters really opens your eyes to reality. People in dire places deserve to be treated as humans too. Smart educated created people. There are so many reasons to wind up in the situation. Really you never know another persons situation. Don't make things worse you never know what's going on. I think it's a lack of empathy and becoming desensitized to reality.

It's so much easier to be kind. Being a
24/7 mega cunt would be exhausting.

As an aside thank you guys for being so kind and understanding when I was freaking out. It made my cold black heart melt a bit. I really truly appreciate it.

Edit: I'm stoned so whoops if I'm grammar or English deficient.
 
I think my biggest gripe is the whole a good guy w a gun defeating a bad guy with a gun. Take aurora. They were in a dark movie theater. Literally nobody had a clue. Theaters have stairs, most everyone would be occupied by the screen and they are also pretty cramped. There is absolutely no way a good guy with a gun could have saved the day. A lot of situations are like that due to the element of surprise combined with the chaos that absolutely will follow during and after would not be easy.

I'm not sure if you're insinuating that I don't know the facts. I do. I also know that a ban wouldn't curb shit in this generation. Something must need to change. I hope you didn't think I was being political it was mostly just ranting because I was so frazzled yesterday.

As far as live and let live, I say that fairly regularly myself. Working in shelters really opens your eyes to reality. People in dire places deserve to be treated as humans too. Smart educated created people. There are so many reasons to wind up in the situation. Really you never know another persons situation. Don't make things worse you never know what's going on. I think it's a lack of empathy and becoming desensitized to reality.

It's so much easier to be kind. Being a
24/7 mega cunt would be exhausting.

As an aside thank you guys for being so kind and understanding when I was freaking out. It made my cold black heart melt a bit. I really truly appreciate it.

Edit: I'm stoned so whoops if I'm grammar or English deficient.

I wasn't using "you" as in directing my comment at you specifically. I was using "you" as in "everyone who reads this". A general "you". I wasn't trying to imply that you didn't have the facts or anything like that and I'm sorry if it seemed like that.

I was venting my own frustrations as the situation as well. I have debated this subject for so long and have encountered so many people who will only look at the side of the debate that is in line with how they already view the subject instead of looking at both sides, then seeking out unbiased information like the independent studies run by the FBI and Centers for Disease Control that I spoke about earlier.

Again, I'm sorry if it seemed like I was singling you out or calling your knowledge into question. It was not my intention and I was merely voicing my desire for everyone to educate themselves as much as possible with unbiased information and real statistics instead of just taking whatever biased organization that is already aligned with how they feel on the subject's words as infallible truth.

We have a very unique community here. I've met a lot of intelligent, well-informed people here on the Farms. We have boundless information available to us literally at our fingertips. I just want people to be as well-informed as possible because knowledge is power and having all the facts gives one the ability to debate more effectively and form sound opinions.

We've got excellent people from all walks of life, political leanings, cultures, religions (or lack thereof), races, creeds...we are a literal melting pot on this site and together we can help eachother be better, well-rounded, knowledgeable people.
 
As a gun owner I am saying this - we need more gun control. We need mental evaluation for anyone who purchases a gun, even if they have no mental health history. Of course guns can be bought illegally but better control would obviously reduce the problem.

If you are against gun control you are a piece of shit and you should kill yourself. Seriously, fuck you.
 
I wasn't using "you" as in directing my comment at you specifically. I was using "you" as in "everyone who reads this". A general "you". I wasn't trying to imply that you didn't have the facts or anything like that and I'm sorry if it seemed like that.

I was venting my own frustrations as the situation as well. I have debated this subject for so long and have encountered so many people who will only look at the side of the debate that is in line with how they already view the subject instead of looking at both sides, then seeking out unbiased information like the independent studies run by the FBI and Centers for Disease Control that I spoke about earlier.

Again, I'm sorry if it seemed like I was singling you out or calling your knowledge into question. It was not my intention and I was merely voicing my desire for everyone to educate themselves as much as possible with unbiased information and real statistics instead of just taking whatever biased organization that is already aligned with how they feel on the subject's words as infallible truth.

We have a very unique community here. I've met a lot of intelligent, well-informed people here on the Farms. We have boundless information available to us literally at our fingertips. I just want people to be as well-informed as possible because knowledge is power and having all the facts gives one the ability to debate more effectively and form sound opinions.

We've got excellent people from all walks of life, political leanings, cultures, religions (or lack thereof), races, creeds...we are a literal melting pot on this site and together we can help eachother be better, well-rounded, knowledgeable people.

It's ok I'm admittedly still on edge. I've really been enjoying reading your posts. Everybody really they're all very insightful and don't make me want to punch babies out of frustration.

Also I forgot to add. The whole Grindr and previous patron shit. It's both rich and so enraging that it's hard to put words to it. So batshit crazy, a terrorist, the personification of a complete and total pussy etc... Believe me I could keep going.

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As a gun owner I am saying this - we need more gun control. We need mental evaluation for anyone who purchases a gun, even if they have no mental health history. Of course guns can be bought illegally but better control would obviously reduce the problem.

If you are against gun control you are a piece of shit and you should kill yourself. Seriously, fuck you.

My main issue is that making mental health checks mandatory for firearms ownership can be used by biased, anti-gun mental health professionals by then simply labeling perfectly normal people from owning firearms. It would also keep people who have never been an danger to anyone from owning firearms simply because they have some mild mental health issue like depression or bi-polar disorder. Like myself, I have bi-polar disorder, yet I've never thought about harming anyone, let alone hurt anyone aside from being in a few fist fights that I did not start.

If something like that were to be implemented there would need to be some checks and balances to make sure it wasn't being abused by biased people, much like the No Fly List has been. There should be requirements that anyone with a history of depression, bi-polar disorder, or similar issue who have been stable for a set amount of time should be allowed to own firearms. Being diagnosed with it or having undergone treatment in the past should not be an automatic disqualification from owning guns.

I am not against all forms of gun control. I am against certain types that are too intrusive and violate the Second Amendment. Things like gun and accessory bans and licensing. Licensing has been proven in history to lead to confiscations, like in Nazi Germany. In fact nearly every country who has made licensing mandatory has led to some form of confiscation in time when a class of firearm has been deemed too "dangerous" by the powers that be. The Second Amendment is the only license any law abiding US citizen needs to own a firearm. The proposed "universal background checks" that politicians kick around is basically licensing by a different name. They wish to keep track of gun owners by putting all their information, including types of firearms owned and where they are located, in a big DOJ database so they can take away anything they feel a civilian does not "need". The government does not have the right to keep that kind of information, nor is it any of their business (or anyone else's for that matter) what kinds of firearms a person owns. That's why firearms dealers are supposed to dispose of the 4473 form filled out during a background check after a set amount of time.
 
I have bi-polar disorder, yet I've never thought about harming anyone, let alone hurt anyone aside from being in a few fist fights that I did not start.
Yeah sorry, but I believe those with BPD disorder should not have guns.

They wish to keep track of gun owners by putting all their information, including types of firearms owned and where they are located, in a big DOJ database so they can take away anything they feel a civilian does not "need".
Big jump in logic there. How do you justify keeping track of cars but not of guns?

The Second Amendment is the only license any law abiding US citizen needs to own a firearm.
It was also written before we had semi auto weapons.

The government does not have the right to keep that kind of information, nor is it any of their business (or anyone else's for that matter) what kinds of firearms a person owns.
lol fuck you, it is their business.
 
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