Diseased Sanctioned Suicide - "Kill yourself" but unironically with sodium nitrite. Higher death count than the Farms. Targeted by parents, legislators, and journalists looking to alter Section 230.

[AgendaPoster]

Actually found that video on YT first, and then this topic.
Great OP, but I cannot really agree with the conclusions on moralfagging.
There are always limits and we always have morality. The only discussions should be had about where to draw the line. This site has limits too. Null: "don't bite the hand that feeds you", yes?
Is this moralfagging from Null? No, it is not. People left to their own devices test the boundaries of acceptability out of boredom.
What sort of societal good could positively discussing suicide lead to? It's like encouraging those 15 yrs old depressed emo goths to ack themselves 15 years ago, and most of them grew into adults just fine.
Also don't think that "KF will be next" is a good argument. KF is always on the chopping block and there is nothing that Null can do to change that. We are fucking with far too many sacred cows.
However.
Mocking trannies and their horrific endeavors does have a positive impact on society, as trannies are a lie, and a plague, and represent a delusional movement of anti-science degenerates.
TL;DR
Banning such a site is a hard decision due to the potential slippery slopes, but a sane society would likely do that every single time, given the opportunity.
Descending into morbid, pathological insanity is gonna finish us, and we should probably not do that.
Remember, KF actions and "moralfagging" has lead to the animal abusers getting exposed and fucked with. We are not neutral, and to pretend such is a lie.

 

[iffywas]

Tantacrul is deleting ALL comments criticising his video. Pathetic.

He's one of those insecure goons who can't take the slightest bit of criticism, nor accept the fact that he could ever be wrong about anything. I hope his pink budgie smugglers are turning shades of brown right now. He put out a video full of outright malicious lies, aimed at vulnerable people. He's whipped his storm up, lit the firecracker and now he'll have to deal with the fact that not only has he lied, he's sent hundreds, possibly thousands more people to the site.

All for YouTube views. Pathetic ginger leprechaun bitch.

 

[Balthier]

Actually found that video on YT first, and then this topic.
Great OP, but I cannot really agree with the conclusions on moralfagging.
There are always limits and we always have morality. The only discussions should be had about where to draw the line. This site has limits too. Null: "don't bite the hand that feeds you", yes?
Is this moralfagging from Null? No, it is not. People left to their own devices test the boundaries of acceptability out of boredom.
What sort of societal good could positively discussing suicide lead to? It's like encouraging those 15 yrs old depressed emo goths to ack themselves 15 years ago, and most of them grew into adults just fine.
Also don't think that "KF will be next" is a good argument. KF is always on the chopping block and there is nothing that Null can do to change that. We are fucking with far too many sacred cows.
However.
Mocking trannies and their horrific endeavors does have a positive impact on society, as trannies are a lie, and a plague, and represent a delusional movement of anti-science degenerates.
TL;DR
Banning such a site is a hard decision due to the potential slippery slopes, but a sane society would likely do that every single time, given the opportunity.
Descending into morbid, pathological insanity is gonna finish us, and we should probably not do that.
Remember, KF actions and "moralfagging" has lead to the animal abusers getting exposed and fucked with. We are not neutral, and to pretend such is a lie.

The post the caused Null to write "bite the hand that feeds" was illegal. It was meant as a joke but had an actionable threat in it. He had to give the poster's info over to the government so they could talk to him. Nothing illegal is allowed here. Nothing illegal is being done on SS either. If there was something the detractors could use to prosecute them to have them shut down then they'd already have done it. There's really no comparison to what happened with the KF post.

I agree that using a site like that isn't healthy but most people there aren't healthy anyway. I'm sure there are even people who got the final push they needed from the information/materials they got on the site but it's not our place to regulate that. We don't live in a sane society and the slippery slope is a thing for that exact reason. In a reasonable and sane society, making exceptions to regulate things that are obviously completely immoral and/or harmful to people wouldn't lead to more shit being forced on us down the line and our rights being stripped away. I mean, if we did live in a sane society then there'd likely be far less people trying to access a suicide forum to begin with. We've passed the point where picking and choosing within the law is viable option.

 

[Bloudwulf]

Tantacrul is deleting ALL comments criticising his video. Pathetic.

Well of course. He thinks he's saving lives.

 

[AnOminous]

As much as I can and have come up with moral and quasi-moral arguments for the existence of this site, I think as an American that it is entirely sufficient simply to say it's protected by the First Amendment, go fuck yourself, you can have it when you pry it out of my cold, dead hands, if you're not the dead one.

 

[Maverick Vile]

Actually found that video on YT first, and then this topic.
Great OP, but I cannot really agree with the conclusions on moralfagging.
There are always limits and we always have morality. The only discussions should be had about where to draw the line. This site has limits too. Null: "don't bite the hand that feeds you", yes?
Is this moralfagging from Null? No, it is not. People left to their own devices test the boundaries of acceptability out of boredom.

If you wanna drag Null into this he already offered help hosting the site should they run into trouble, so I'd wager this doesn't cross his line.

What sort of societal good could positively discussing suicide lead to? It's like encouraging those 15 yrs old depressed emo goths to ack themselves 15 years ago, and most of them grew into adults just fine.

Yeah, because they were attention whoring, they never really intended to kill themselves. I don't like the idea that whether or not something should exist hinges on whether it's "good for society." Way too easy to get some toadie with a lab coat and clipboard to give you a hundred different reasons why something is bad for society.

Also don't think that "KF will be next" is a good argument. KF is always on the chopping block and there is nothing that Null can do to change that. We are fucking with far too many sacred cows.

Tell me, what is the one thing everyone includes when they try to get that darn dirty Kiwi Farms off the Internet? Byu, Chloe Sagal, and Julie Terryberry. If their suicides aren't the entire argument for taking down the Kiwi Farms, it always at least shows up as a supporting argument. If you think the moralfags trying to get Sanctioned Suicide off the Internet won't immediately move on to the Kiwi Farms, you have a screw loose.

However.
Mocking trannies and their horrific endeavors does have a positive impact on society, as trannies are a lie, and a plague, and represent a delusional movement of anti-science degenerates.

Wait, you mock troons because you think it'll help society? What a faggot. You're allowed to do it because it's fun. Don't try to dress it up as some crusade for the benefit of humanity.

Banning such a site is a hard decision due to the potential slippery slopes, but a sane society would likely do that every single time, given the opportunity.
Descending into morbid, pathological insanity is gonna finish us, and we should probably not do that.
Remember, KF actions and "moralfagging" has lead to the animal abusers getting exposed and fucked with. We are not neutral, and to pretend such is a lie.

No, a sane society wouldn't have so many suicidal people that they started congregating en masse on a website to discuss how much life sucks and determine the dominant strategy for offing themselves. In a sane society, the desire to make Sanctioned Suicide probably wouldn't exist, or at the very least wouldn't have anywhere near the amount of traffic it already receives, but we don't live in a sane society, and we probably won't be living in a sane society anytime soon. What's also bad about not living in a sane society is that the slippery slope hasn't been a fallacious argument in the past decade, if not more. All slopes are at an 80 degree incline and lubricated with industrial grease. Any legal solution would intentionally be worded to allow for removal of speech beyond just encouraging self-harm to give a shiny new political tool to the establishment for stomping opposition. We currently have an Internet where you can't say "kill yourself" as an insult on somewhere north of 90% of websites, and that's with the websites willingly bitching up their ToS. If you want to live in a sanitized hellhole the rest of your life, go ahead, but I'd rather roll back the Internet to early 2000s sensibilities than open up another Pandora's Box.

Also, wanting to see people who fuck animals to death brought to justice is not "moralfagging."

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

What a ghoulish website.
Preying upon very unstable and vulnerable people.
For those who have lost loved ones via suicide, I can't imagine what they'd think about a site unironically helping others kill themselves.
This is straight up horrorcow material.

 

[dick brain]

What a ghoulish website.
Preying upon very unstable and vulnerable people.
For those who have lost loved ones via suicide, I can't imagine what they'd think about a site unironically helping others kill themselves.
This is straight up horrorcow material.

Read the thread.

 

[Rimbaud's Bussy]

Grim situation all round. I think there is a distinction between thinking the forum is a bad idea (don't experts about suicide say that detailed discussion of suicide methods can have a negative effect on suidical people? idk) and wanting to torch the entire internet to the ground via section 230. There is a middle ground between middle aged women wanting to repeal section 230 to destroy sites like SS and people who think being critical of a site where underage zoomers discuss the best ways to commit suicide is moralfagging.

The Soccer mom doxing the moderator from SS despite the strong possibility of them killing themselves is pretty fucked up. It reminds me of that story from So You've been Publicly shamed where a News of the World journalist published a story in the 70s about a priest being a swinger despite knowing he likely would kill himself if it was published and feeling 0 remorse when he did kill himself. Tabloid journos are generally only slightly above child molesters in terms of moral compass.

 

[afounder]

There is a middle ground between middle aged women wanting to repeal section 230 to destroy sites like SS and people who think being critical of a site where underage zoomers discuss the best ways to commit suicide is moralfagging.

The Soccer mom doxing the moderator from SS despite the strong possibility of them killing themselves is pretty fucked up. It reminds me of that story from So You've been Publicly shamed where a News of the World journalist published a story in the 70s about a priest being a swinger despite knowing he likely would kill himself if it was published and feeling 0 remorse when he did kill himself. Tabloid journos are generally only slightly above child molesters in terms of moral compass.

These groups have been after me for years and even though they have everything and have (alleged) evidence that I broke the law, nothing has happened. It is what it is at this point. If someone tries something crazy in real life, I can act in self-defense so that's not a problem. I'm an unknown nobody that never really had an internet presence, so the effects of the soccer mom journo doxxing me for "accountability" doesn't affect me much at all. Nor will it shut me up either, despite the people sending death threats and calling for my execution.

Journos will journos.

 

[AnOminous]

Journos will journos.

Journalists are subhuman garbage.

 

[arkomia]

EDIT: realized the Tantacrul video was already summarized after the fact. So my bad lol; tired-post got me all fucked up.

This reminds me of that one forum (don’t remember the name) where “wizards” (virgins) would encourage each other to kill themselves rather aggressively, it looked like an 8chan clone.
If anyone could help me remember the name of the Chan; I’d be thankful as it’s an interesting comparison.

it's called wizardchan

 

[Eef]

What a ghoulish website.
Preying upon very unstable and vulnerable people.
For those who have lost loved ones via suicide, I can't imagine what they'd think about a site unironically helping others kill themselves.
This is straight up horrorcow material.

Suicide is an important discussion, but this community is actively breaking the rules it set. “Have to be over the age of 18” ha, yeah, like that’s being inforced. “Do not push someone to suicide” that is literally this ENTIRE forum.

 

[Prince Vegeta]

Suicide is an important discussion, but this community is actively breaking the rules it set. “Have to be over the age of 18” ha, yeah, like that’s being inforced. “Do not push someone to suicide” that is literally this ENTIRE forum.

You're breaking the rule that says that if you've got nothing original to say then don't post. Ha, yeah, like this has all been discussed already you colossal hypocritical attention whore faggot.

 

[afounder]

You're breaking the rule that says that if you've got nothing original to say then don't post. Ha, yeah, like this has all been discussed already you colossal hypocritical attention whore faggot.

They didn't have an original thought and I don't even believe they read a single word of the OP.

 

[arkomia]

Consenting adults are free to take their own lives.

the problem with this shit is that the guys from sanctioned suicide forum lure fucking young people to their goddamn forum and then encourage them to kill themselves just because they're already suicidal. seriously, stop defending sanctioned suicide. just because they say they have a moral crusade and a moral mission, doesn't mean the shit they do all day is justifiable and I'm sure as hell fucking kids don't understand what consent means

 

[Sprate Header]

the guys from sanctioned suicide forum lure fucking young people to their goddamn forum and then encourage them to kill themselves

[citation needed]

 

[arkomia]

@afounder am i the one who notices that you started getting reeeeeaally personal about your suicide forum site? i mean, all I ever see from your reply here is you denying almost every points made by @Tantacrul

like what gives?

[citation needed]

how do you think sanctioned suicide managed to have so many kids killing themselves?

They didn't have an original thought and I don't even believe they read a single word of the OP.

so you know your site encourages young people to commit sepuku?
here's something original for ya: if you guys know there's a pool of members on your site that are actively encouraging kids to commit an hero then why you guys haven't done anything about it?

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

how do you think sanctioned suicide managed to have so many kids killing themselves?

Subliminal messages in heavy metal albums

 

[Sprate Header]

actively encouraging kids to commit an hero

Once again, [citation needed]