Poa.st / Chudbuds.lol General Discussion Thread - !! Poa.st and Bae.st have been compromised, all direct messages have been leaked. !!

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Null said:
Graf is saying Protonmail is insecure because they complied with a Swiss court order to turn over IPs (which is something which was known to be possible before but outlined explicitly thereafter). i.e. they complied with the competent authorities and a person was identified because he chose not to use a VPN. Nothing about ProtonMail's encrypted content was able to be turned over.
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I'm a complete fucking moron when it comes to that side of tech, but isn't what he said true? Protonmail will turn over user data if ordered to do so?
 
Waffle Stompin' Waffen said:
All of this because a middle aged breeding sow was obsessed with a vaccine salesman who peaked like 7 years ago lol lmao 🦂

E-celebs and their parasocial dingle berries btfo, Graf and the public reminded that Daniel Stevens is in fact a literal pedophile, a massive data dump to dig through, literally no one has correctly guessed the culprit (although notorious faggot / radfem enabler Gleason is on the right track) and Claire's attempt to sell her userbase so she can focus on streaming to 8 people instead of focusing on raising her 8 kids has been thwarted :story:
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You're implying that you know who did it, right? Care to shed some light?
 
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Sammich said:
I'm a complete fucking moron when it comes to that side of tech, but isn't what he said true? Protonmail will turn over user data if ordered to do so?
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Any site has a legal obligation to turn over user data if court ordered, KF included. The key to dealing with this is making sure any user data you have is pointless, either by loggin as little as possible, or having it encrypted in a way that the server owner can't decrypt.
 
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I knew there was a reason the shadow people were jumping on my bed at 2am and I couldn't sleep!

Probably An Autist said:
Any site has a legal obligation to turn over user data if court ordered, KF included. The key to dealing with this is making sure any user data you have is pointless, either by loggin as little as possible, or having it encrypted in a way that the server owner can't decrypt.
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What I find interesting is the fact that the intelligence community has well-documented backdoors into nearly every widely used encryption algorithm, but does not share with law enforcement. Expect things to get crazier as quantum computing becomes commercially available.
 
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Sammich said:
I'm a complete fucking moron when it comes to that side of tech, but isn't what he said true? Protonmail will turn over user data if ordered to do so?
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Every service will. The question is, what data do they have? That is a risk management strategy and it's selling point of privacy-oriented services.

Email is inherently insecure. The email protocols have not been seriously reformed in decades. There is no such thing as email encryption, except with OpenPGP, which only encrypts the body of the post. So, this is the most encrypted an email can look:
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Subject unencrypted. Recipeint/sender unencrypted. Email aliases unencrypted. Dates unencrypted.

Once the email is out of transit, it can be stored more securely. This does not mean 100% securely, because email is inherently insecure.

Any email service claiming to be 100% secure is lying. All that Protonmail turned over was an IP address. Their IP logging policy is as short as the Swiss law permits for an email service. There are services which are entirely logless, but if you just use a VPN with a no logging policy, it achieves the same effect. For instance, ProtonVPN is logless and free, so if you just use ProtonVPN to access ProtonMail, there's no risk.

I find it really silly to be like "omg they COMPLIED with the FEDS". like, yeah, and you would too, or you would go to jail.
 
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Archie_Kimkicker said:
I knew there was a reason the shadow people were jumping on my bed at 2am and I couldn't sleep!


What I find interesting is the fact that the intelligence community has well-documented backdoors into nearly every widely used encryption algorithm, but does not share with law enforcement. Expect things to get crazier as quantum computing becomes commercially available.
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If you look deeper into all those quantum computing papers, most of them were just peacocking from USA/China/Russia, and they actually don't have anything of merit.

That said, it's just a matter of time, really.
 
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Null said:
Every service will. The question is, what data do they have? That is a risk management strategy and it's selling point of privacy-oriented services.

Email is inherently insecure. The email protocols have not been seriously reformed in decades. There is no such thing as email encryption, except with OpenPGP, which only encrypts the body of the post. So, this is the most encrypted an email can look:
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Subject unencrypted. Recipeint/sender unencrypted. Email aliases unencrypted. Dates unencrypted.

Once the email is out of transit, it can be stored more securely. This does not mean 100% securely, because email is inherently insecure.

Any email service claiming to be 100% secure is lying. All that Protonmail turned over was an IP address. Their IP logging policy is as short as the Swiss law permits for an email service. There are services which are entirely logless, but if you just use a VPN with a no logging policy, it achieves the same effect. For instance, ProtonVPN is logless and free, so if you just use ProtonVPN to access ProtonMail, there's no risk.

I find it really silly to be like "omg they COMPLIED with the FEDS". like, yeah, and you would too, or you would go to jail.
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Thanks for explaining that to me, I understand what you mean now. Graf was the one being a bit of a "well actually" type of faggot, and i just completely misread.

Thank you for taking the time to break it down and give me a better understanding!
 
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StyxHexenHamster1350 said:
They'll just turn over their logs that they keep anyways, despite their "no logging" policy. (THEY. ALL. LOG.)

This is why you use TOR.
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OVPN, PIA, and others have proven in court they do not log. If you want to conspiracy theory that go for it but for the overwhelming majority of all people on Earth, it is sufficient.

Use Tor if you want. There's a fun DOJ docket out there that's not public because they identified a Tor user and they don't want to reveal how they did it. Is it a silly fed meme to make Tor users scared? Who knows.
 
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Null said:
OVPN, PIA, and others have proven in court they do not log. If you want to conspiracy theory that go for it but for the overwhelming majority of all people on Earth, it is sufficient.

Use Tor if you want. There's a fun DOJ docket out there that's not public because they identified a Tor user and they don't want to reveal how they did it. Is it a silly fed meme to make Tor users scared? Who knows.
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The idea it was developed by the NRL makes me more nervous to use it for some of the more morally gray areas, I always assumed it was something that the spooks/feds had their fingers in and could track you if they wanted to.
 
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AltisticRight said:
If you look deeper into all those quantum computing papers, most of them were just peacocking from USA/China/Russia, and they actually don't have anything of merit.

That said, it's just a matter of time, really.
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Quantum computers aka make the die so small it tends to become unreliable and deal with that unreliability via a statistical chart, will never lead to some amazing boost in performance. Plus encryption is always a lot easier than cracking it.

Maybe vacuum tubes can lead to a processor revolution. All I am sure off is that quantum computers are a shitty meme similar to fusion reactors that academics keep alive to get funding. "Only 10 years and we will have it guys, trust the science plan."
 
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