The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

I have never claimed to be "brave" for starting a YT channel about history. Congrats on defeating that straw man!

Hmm. One question. Why, when there are so many history channels and books, are you starting this one?

If it is about proving gassings and shootings of Jews by nazis, then why? Do you hope to gain a high profile position in holocaust promotion some day?

Why are we having a thread discussing something that doesn’t exist?

It's a thread about a conspiracy theory dreamt up in wartime that the enemy of the allies and Jews also decided to just mass murder Jews, see attached, as well as everyone else, because reasons..
 

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No one knows what happened to the jews, they all just disappeared.

I mean sure we keep showing open pipelines of hundreds of thousands of jews moving across the earth. But that hardly accounts for the millions who disappeared.

But I can point to 5 jews that were shot to death so that means they clearly shot 100,000 more. And also gassed them before hand, since they need to do both.
 
If they wanted all the jews dead, why didn't they just deprive them of water? Stop giving them water and, boom, dead in three days.

Because they were just that EVIL. ...... wait, is dying of thirst worse? or dying of gassing?

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The photos indicate they are able to stand on their own, but they haven't been fed for a long while. Which could support the theory there were no significant food supplies. Do we have any photos of the Nazi guards at the time at the same camps? Do we know of their physical condition?
 
Because they were just that EVIL. ...... wait, is dying of thirst worse? or dying of gassing?

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The photos indicate they are able to stand on their own, but they haven't been fed for a long while. Which could support the theory there were no significant food supplies. Do we have any photos of the Nazi guards at the time at the same camps? Do we know of their physical condition?

The Bergen Belsen commandant's own wife died of typhus in the camp.
 
The Bergen Belsen commandant's own wife died of typhus in the camp.

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During World War II, many German POWs after the loss at Stalingrad died of typhus. Typhus epidemics killed those confined to POW camps, ghettos, and Nazi concentration camps who were held in unhygienic conditions. Pictures of mass graves including people who died from typhus can be seen in footage shot at Bergen-Belsen concentration camp.[40] Among thousands of prisoners in concentration camps such as Theresienstadt and Bergen-Belsen who died of typhus[40] were Anne Frank, age 15, and her sister Margot, age 19 in the latter camp.


Why did I never hear of this in the mainstream before now?
 
This post here....



I never said the dp jews were all or most Jews. As detailed in this thread, the ultimate figures are unclear or rather very imprecise. I simply demonstrate from your own source that Jews came from the east and also remain in the east, while also being aged, sick and disabled and making it to Palestine. Thus, along with the tech aspects of revisionism we have shown that Jews are not buried in e.g. Belzec.


....stands as the last meaningful rebuttal to the holocaust peddling crap given by History speaks and Chugger. Its doubtful they can rebut this and certainly no other previous holocaust peddling posters on this thread can.

Our holocaust peddlers here have had every significant angle of the holocaust explained to them and their arguments refuted.
Shown below is the most significant nationalist statesman of the 20th century, a man of incorruptible high ideals and profound courage who led the only true socialist revolution in history and saved his country from international finance and who was castigated for it.

Also shown are the actual shower rooms of Auschwitz and the reality of what they did with children vs what you are told they did.
 

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The number of Jews in the post-war Displaced Persons Camps (DPs) proves the exact opposite of what you wish it to prove.

After the war, the Allies accommodated Jewish survivors of the camps—as well as other European Jews who survived the war, most notably Polish-Jewish refugees who were deported to the Soviet interior in 1940 and repatriated by the Soviets to Europe after the war—in the DPs. The DPs had at most 300,000 total Jewish inmates, and probably close to 200,000 to 250,000. (Your source, which is completely compatible with mainstream historiography, indicates that 100,000 of these Jews were in Palestine after the declaration of a Jewish state in 1948.)

Contrast this figure of at most 300,000 Jews in DPs—which includes Nazi camp survivors PLUS repatriated Polish Jews that had been sent to the USSR in 1940—with the at least 3.3 million Jews we know were deported to the Nazi camp systems. (I explain in my most recent video how we know—from original German sources—the 3.3 million figure of Jewish deportees to be accurate.)

The main point is that the DPs—which included Nazi death-camp survivors PLUS the repatriates of Polish Jews sent to the USSR in 1940—contained only a tiny percentage of Jews sent to the Nazi camps.

Thus, the vast majority of Jews deported to the Nazi camps 'disappeared.' The Allies were unable to find them, nobody was able to find them. Only a tiny fraction (well under 10%) were found and taken to the DPs.
Hi, I am a master of holy hoax denial. Let me help you comprehend just how mentally retarded this conspiracy theory is that millions of jews vanished into clouds of smoke.

The historians believe human corpses incinerate at the speed of crumpled newspaper

The entire story rests on that actually. From the magic ovens, to the outdoor burning, all of this relies on the idea that humans have no thermal barrier and incinerate to dust in a matter of minutes. Looking at the Birkenau ovens for example, they are claiming these ovens had a capacity of 1500-2000lbs per hour each. Real world livestock incinerators cap out at 150lbs/hour. The historians are exaggerating limits of technical cremation by a factor of 13 or 14x, because that is how exaggerated the death toll is. The non-exaggerated death toll is consistent with typhus mortality, and that is the end of the story.

What about the jews deported east? They were sent to the pale of settlement, their ancestral homeland, fell into soviet hands, the soviet then lied that they were dead. Simple as.
 
>make a Holocaust debate thread on a lark because TDS wouldn't stop bringing it up in 2020
>236 pages later


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God bless you all.
 
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I found a Look Magazine from June of 1945 once upon a time. This was a month after Germany surrendered. I found these pages contained therein and thought they were interesting. Posting them here for posterity.

Also I’m an hour into The Greatest Story Never Told. It’s absolutely fascinating. Searching that movie title is how I found this thread. Looks like I have a lot of reading to do.

Edit: it looks like they may have uploaded out of order. Sorry about that. I tried to do it sequentially.
 

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This post here....






....stands as the last meaningful rebuttal to the holocaust peddling crap given by History speaks and Chugger. Its doubtful they can rebut this and certainly no other previous holocaust peddling posters on this thread can.

Our holocaust peddlers here have had every significant angle of the holocaust explained to them and their arguments refuted.
Shown below is the most significant nationalist statesman of the 20th century, a man of incorruptible high ideals and profound courage who led the only true socialist revolution in history and saved his country from international finance and who was castigated for it.

Also shown are the actual shower rooms of Auschwitz and the reality of what they did with children vs what you are told they did.

Maybe you can explain the reasoning Germany attempted to invade Russia? Historically no parts of it were formerly Germany, right? So there was no political revenge to be had. So what was the reasoning?
 
Maybe you can explain the reasoning Germany attempted to invade Russia? Historically no parts of it were formerly Germany, right? So there was no political revenge to be had. So what was the reasoning?
The soviet was allied with Britain and Britain had declared war.
 
BTW I just released a new video debunking denial. This video is on the "Where did they go?" problem, i.e. the inability of deniers to explain what happened to the millions of Jews who 'disappeared' in the Nazi camp system.

Good video. Might help to have detailed sources for the amount of Jews reported as being in German custody post 42 . I asked Nick Terry this question, his answer:


There are a good number of national and regional statistics from 1943-44, statistics for the Reich persist for a while (despite the 'downsizing' of the Jewish councils), Theresienstadt is precisely documented and counted from start to finish.

The same applies for Poland, with a census in the Govt-General in March 1943, the tracking of numbers in the Warthegau and Lodz ghetto goes up to August 1944, and then one sees labour statistics in economics records. By mid-1944 the documentation shifts almost entirely to within the KZ system, since there were hardly any un-evacuated labour camps and after the Lodz action, no more ghettos in Poland.

The March 1943 GG census was down to 203,000 Jews, IIRC - figure is in Dieter Pohl's book on Ostgalizien and the Diensttagebuch. This from the stated 297,000 in the Korherr report, after actions resumed especially in Eastern Galicia. The transfers that followed meant a growing proportion were held in SS-run camps, which were extrajudicial spaces, so the census likely did not include Majdanek. By June 1943, Globocnik counted 45,000 Jews in forced labour camps in the Lublin district, this after the final liquidation of the Warsaw ghetto and transfer of the workshops to Poniatowa and Trawniki; and after the same set of camps were absorbing workers from the Bialystok district and Dutch transports. The number does not include Majdanek, but the bulge from May had been dispersed by then, some transports sent on to the Radom district camps. At the end of June 1943, there were only 21,000 Jews left alive in the forced labour camps of the Galicia district, and only a few thousand by the start of 1944 (mainly in Boryslaw and Drohobycz working in the oil fields).

I don't think there's a clear figure for the start of 1944 for Jews remaining in the GG, but the pattern with 1943 statistics is such that nobody can plausibly claim there were large numbers left by then.

Further east, and overlapping with prewar eastern Poland, the Reichskommissariat Ostland still imprisoned 72,000 Jews in July 1943, which breaks down well for the Riga ghetto, Lithuania and Minsk/Weissruthenien. The important thing here is to note that Himmler had ordered the transformation of the remaining ghettos to KZs, so by autumn 1943 one sees some liquidated (Minsk), some transferred (Wilno to KL Vaivara), and some converted locally, with various killing and deportation actions reducing the 72,000 number, e.g. children in the Lithuanian ghettos who had been tolerated as family members of work-certificate holders, are no longer tolerated.

The Reichskommissariat Ukraine was regarded as free of Jews with the exception of a small number of labour camps (on DG IV and one other, IIRC), which were liquidated before the Soviet reconquest. The Romanians resurveyed Transnistria several times so knew how many needed to be evacuated westwards before the Soviets overran it - part of Antonescu's reverse ferret on the 'Jewish question' once they started to look for ways of getting out of the war.

Survivors liberated in 1945 in Germany/Austria were composed of the survivors of several large groups transferred west in the summer of 1944: circa 110,000 Hungarian Jews selected for work at Auschwitz; 28,000 Lodz Jews selected at Auschwitz; several 10s of 1000s of Jews evacuated from the Baltic KZs via Stutthof; several 10s of 1000s evacuated from the force labour camps of the GG; the survivors in Auschwitz predating the Hungarian Action; some smaller numbers from the last transports from the rest of Europe; some thousands from the last wave of Theresienstadt transports and from Slovakia; and 10s of 1000s of Hungarian Jews force marched to Austria and absorbed either into Mauthausen or used in non-KZ forced labour camps in Austria.

Only the labour camp at Czestochowa and the clean-up crew in Lodz (878 survivors) were liberated inside Poland, followed by the 7000 (not all but mostly Jewish) prisoners liberated at Auschwitz on January 27, 1945. The Stutthof and Gross-Rosen complexes/main camps were evacuated fairly systematically at the same time as the Auschwitz evacuation.

I like the reference to the Roanoke, but it might be more relevant to bring up the cases of the resettled 200k Poles of Zamosc, the 100k German speaking Jews sent to the east in 1941, and the resettlement of 100k Jews in Transnistria as counter examples to deniers claims that the deportation and housing of millions of Jews might happen without leaving a shred of direct evidence, whether witness or documentary.

Re Transnistria, I found this folder of documents http://hauster.de/data/Ancel/17020501Ancel.pdf which provide a sample of the kind of material we might expect.

The most telling thing for me about this entire subject is the hypocrisy present on the revisionist side in avoiding questions about their own narrative. Imagine if anti-denialists begged off responding to revisionist critiques of witness and documentary evidence, saying these weren't important and the case was sufficiently demonstrated with newspaper articles and post war censuses (which would still be a stronger argument than what revisionists currently put forward, which is newspaper articles + a few extremely vague or compromised* documents like the Korherr report)

*Himmler's suggestion to substitute 'transported to the Russian East' for special treatment, and mention that the report would make 'great camouflage for us'
 
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The problem I see if everyone getting into the details. When I, who doesn't know fuck all about the holocaust, does a casual bit of research at the surface level and discover Typhus was prevalent, and could certainly explain the majority of deaths. This the supposed Holocaust Documentaries leave out. Which must mean it's an inconvenient fact to a narrative.

Then I was doing research seperately on the Rothschild family and found they were sending 500,000 francs per year to the Israeli lobby since 1890. Which I would guess after looking a bit online to be something like $10,000,000 per year adjusted for inflation.
 
All Chuggers arguments here are given in more detail on codoh.com by poster Bombsaway, or BA. Chugger and this poster are most likely the very same person. In any case, they are dealt with in excellent detail which makes tremendous reading for the interested budding holocaust scholar;

 
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