Argue about women or something

I know Men have a tendency towards violence. It's part of their statistical personality makeup. 93% of people in prison are Men, you are way more likely to be killed or raped in a Male Prison. You think I'm here to defend Men across the board? LOL

But you keep using these binary terms. Like it's an all or nothing argument. "All Men are Violent, All Women are useless." etc etc. There's more nuance to life than that.
Funny how I gave an example and you suddenly attributed to me

I have no interest in portraying men as automatically violent. They can be good people who live their lives decently. Then you get outliers who find some woman all on her own and go all psycho
ok here's an actual discussion topic

Let us grant that women as a group are better at caregiving than men as a group. Let us also observe that while caregiving work is pretty much always available, it does not pay well - and in fact if you care for your own family, you can end up not getting paid at all and facing down an impoverished old age or at the very least a mad scramble in middle age.

Certainly men do not have an easy time of it naturally, just because they are men. A man can spend his entire working life doing backbreaking necessary toil and end up impoverished in old age.

In reponse to this, there have been labor movements where people have come together and used political and extrapolitical means to force society to compensate workers fairly. However, while we have had feminist movements that have opened up traditionally male employment to women, there have been effectively zero organized feminist labor movement to fairly compensate women for women's work.

The closest there has been is the creation of child support collection infrastructure. This was mostly done by men.

It seems to me like one of the reasons western society is collapsing is that women are fleeing the low and unpaid scutwork that is unavoidably part of caregiving like rats from a sinking ship. But this work is necessary. A huge amount of it used to be done by wives. A huge amount of it is just flat out not done by anybody now.

Maybe we could pay people to do necessary stuff?
There should be more support indeed for guys going into caregiving etc and there is biases they face. It is an inequality that should be fought

I don't think however that "all women are seeking fancier jobs" is entirely true. Women have been trying to break into say garbage disposal work. And you get them on factory floors depending.
 
There should be more support indeed for guys going into caregiving etc and there is biases they face. It is an inequality that should be fought

I don't think however that "all women are seeking fancier jobs" is entirely true. Women have been trying to break into say garbage disposal work. And you get them on factory floors depending.

Psychologists did personality tests on Men and Women. And found the most pronounced difference in personality between Men and Women was interest. Women tended to be more interested in Living things. Men tended to be more interested in Dead things(objects)

It's why Women have taken over, completely outnumbering Men now in fields like, Psychology, Veterinary Medicine, Animal Behaviouralists, Biology related to various fields, Criminologists.

And it's why 99% of Bricklayers are still Men.

But the media doesn't tell Women this. They don't want to tell Women how well they are doing.
 
Psychologists did personality tests on Men and Women. And found the most pronounced difference in personality between Men and Women was interest. Women tended to be more interested in Living things. Men tended to be more interested in Dead things(objects)

It's why Women have taken over, completely outnumbering Men now in fields like, Psychology, Veterinary Medicine, Animal Behaviouralists, Biology related to various fields, Criminologists.

And it's why 99% of Bricklayers are still Men.

But the media doesn't tell Women this. They don't want to tell Women how well they are doing.
And yet pass a construction site I still see women. Not as much as men, true, but they're there

Go online you find the odd guy saying women shouldn't be bricklayers because they're too weak

Go out in the real world I meet an ex ambo who busted his back heavy lifting, and first aid trainee saying there's a chick in every ambo cause some middle easterners go psycho if a man touches his waifu

Go online and you find a guy saying ambos are letting in women wah wah has equality gone mad they can't lift a gazillion pounds like men can

Can't win
 
And yet pass a construction site I still see women. Not as much as men, true, but they're there

Go online you find the odd guy saying women shouldn't be bricklayers because they're too weak

Go out in the real world I meet an ex ambo who busted his back heavy lifting, and first aid trainee saying there's a chick in every ambo cause some middle easterners go psycho if a man touches his waifu

Go online and you find a guy saying ambos are letting in women wah wah has equality gone mad they can't lift a gazillion pounds like men can

Can't win

I'm not sure what point you are making. Yeah of course there are some guys, just like there are girls, at the extreme ends making sexist remarks. Can't really stop that. But like I said before. You see the Female Bricklayers. Because they are outside the typical statistical distribution. Just like you see the handfuls of Male midwives.

I don't think this idea of "Everyone gets to do whatever they want" philosophy of modern society is going to be good for the social fabric. But the media seems intent on pitting Men and Women against each other.
 
I'm not sure what point you are making. Yeah of course there are some guys, just like there are girls, at the extreme ends making sexist remarks. Can't really stop that. But like I said before. You see the Female Bricklayers. Because they are outside the typical statistical distribution. Just like you see the handfuls of Male midwives.

I don't think this idea of "Everyone gets to do whatever they want" philosophy of modern society is going to be good for the social fabric. But the media seems intent on pitting Men and Women against each other
Media including yahoos online

Society is fine as it is at the moment, sans the odd creep who thinks women shouldn't work and be stuck in the house.

Do you think every workplace is up in arms the moment a woman joins in and the whole place goes to shambles but is picture perfect so long as men only populate the place?
 
I don't see the difference between them, both are work, either you are working on homemaking or you are working a job you likely hate.
Some people enjoy their job, be it a high end, or low end

Some people hate marriage whether home making is involved or not

Some people just plain old hate sex itself

This is the thing. Marriage requires sex. Work does not.

Or are you that far down the rabbit hole you'd push a sex-repulsed person into marriage regardless?
 
Some people enjoy their job, be it a high end, or low end

Some people hate marriage whether home making is involved or not

Some people just plain old hate sex itself

This is the thing. Marriage requires sex. Work does not.

Or are you that far down the rabbit hole you'd push a sex-repulsed person into marriage regardless?

I don't think people are entirely self-determining actors, they are influenced by outside factors. Laws, Social Pressures, Propaganda, etc. If they just liked what they liked, things wouldn't change.

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My primary concern in this case, isn't about the personal gratification of the individual. But more the health of the community, the social fabric.
 
I don't think people are entirely self-determining actors, they are influenced by outside factors. Laws, Social Pressures, Propaganda, etc. If they just liked what they liked, things wouldn't change.

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My primary concern in this case, isn't about the personal gratification of the individual. But more the health of the community, the social fabric.
So confirmed you'd push a bunch of people who'd hate or don't want marriage into it for the sake of "social fabric" that you oh chosen one speak for. Not the jobs that get on fine with their employees, not people minding their own business, not even church who say it's fine to be unmarried,

... but 🌸you🌸
 
So confirmed you'd push a bunch of people who'd hate or don't want marriage into it for the sake of "social fabric"

You don't think social cohesion is important in maintaining a stable society? Fair enough. The experiment is running, we'll see how that theory plays out.


that you oh chosen one speak for.

I can't do shit lady, I'm fucking no one. I'm just spitballing with you on some minor forum.
 
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Child care, and aged care is exploding at the moment, precisely because Women have now left the home to focus on their careers. Nevermind the fact they almost invariably hit 30 and go "Why am I acting like a Man? Do I want to be 40 and still at the top of my career taking care of cats?" But they may have already priced themselves out of the market. Theres probably a load of 30 yr old women at the top of their career, looking for a guy that earns more than them. How many guys do you think that is?
And those men don't want a dumpy near-40 office woman, they want a 20-something hot girl with big tits, they don't give a shit if she does not even have a GED let alone a proper career.

What the dumpy aging office woman can hope for is the dumpy aging nerd who despite all odds managed to build a life for himself, but as femcels say he's still "low-value" and therefore be beneath her to be seen with him.

So instead of being say 70% happy with her life with the nerd the dumpy aging now VP of whatever, nobody cares office woman gets to be 100% miserable alone and get 4 cats who will eat her the moment she dies.
There should be more support indeed for guys going into caregiving etc and there is biases they face. It is an inequality that should be fought
Should but it isn't, and wont, just like every "feminism fights for men too!" declaration its all talk and no walk.
 
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So confirmed you'd push a bunch of people who'd hate or don't want marriage into it
How about just stop demonizing it and let people be people. The reason these arguments happen because there is a wall of propaganda against it and so far the experiment has led to major imbalances in society (as previously stated), left over women (who cry & complain they can't get no man) and the increasing marriage between older men and younger women.

Anti-marriage, anti-mother, anti-wife messaging is causing more harm then good.
 
And those men don't want a dumpy near-40 office woman, they want a 20-something hot girl with big tits, they don't give a shit if she does not even have a GED let alone a proper career.

What the dumpy aging office woman can hope for is the dumpy aging nerd who despite all odds managed to build a life for himself, but as femcels say he's still "low-value" and therefore be beneath her to be seen with him.

So instead of being say 70% happy with her life with the nerd the dumpy aging now VP of whatever, nobody cares office woman gets to be 100% miserable alone and get 4 cats who will eat her the moment she dies.
They always like to paint a picture of "miserable alone" like the 20 year old doesn't get cheated on or have a man fall out of love when she reaches 40 herself, or a person can't be happy being single

Why are so many folks so allergic to even considering it?

You want to cry propaganda about marriage being seen as bad why don't you try stop seeing singleness as bad?


Should but it isn't, and wont, just like every "feminism fights for men too!" declaration its all talk and no talk
Sadly true
How about just stop demonizing it and let people be people. The reason these arguments happen because there is a wall of propaganda against it and so far the experiment has led to major imbalances in society (as previously stated), left over women (who cry & complain they can't get no man) and the increasing marriage between older men and younger women.

Anti-marriage, anti-mother, anti-wife messaging is causing more harm then good.
So is the pro-family push
 
-some people don't want it. Why are you forcing it? What do you want, a population of serial killers? Or worse, people offing themselves just to escape? Never mind, the odd psycho here probably wants that

-rushing into marriages, not out of affection but out of a" duty", are you surprised it'd fall apart?

-finding someone just for the sake of starting a family. Yeah you get couples who plan it together but then they age. Whether they stay attractive or not (and no, being a sahm is not a magic spell to keep a chick pretty) the fact remain they only wanted kids out of them and see no other reason to stick around. In the end the marriage was a waste of time. It needs love to last.

-financial considerations. Most 20 year old aren't exactly raking in the dough and won't be for another few years, maybe even a decade. Can they even afford a mortgage? Suddenly they don't wait they just have to have kids quick quick with no means to support them, doubly so if the mum isn't working too. Now daddy has to work overtime with two jobs or risk his kids dying of malnourishment and having a shit education. But yay they totes avoid autism, right? Real good idea considering the housing crisis right now
 
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-some people don't want it. Why are you forcing it? What do you want, a population of serial killers? Or worse, people offing themselves just to escape? Never mind, the odd psycho here probably wants that
No I don't think it should be forced. I just want the anti propaganda to stop.

-rushing into marriages, not out of affection but out of a" duty", are you surprised it'd fall apart?
See above

-finding someone just for the sake of starting a family. Yeah you get couples who plan it together but then they age. Whether they stay attractive or not (and no, being a sahm is not a magic spell to keep a chick pretty) the fact remain they only wanted kids out of them and see no other reason to stick around. In the end the marriage was a waste of time. It needs love to last.
ok thats a little different. This is a people problem more than anything. I have had the chance to see in my particular group what marriages work and what don't and it comes down to who was lying about their true self at the altar and who wasn't. This isn't a reason not to get married its a reason to take care and pay more attention to who you are with. Don't marry a stranger or a liar.
 
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