F.A.Qs about Jail, State Hospital, and Court

[Israel's Top Guy]

The troons are DDoSing us again, at the moment so the forum is running slower than an arthritic sped.

Do we have a date for the next continuance, yet?

August 3rd

 

[JazzHandsMcFeelz]

August 3rd

thats 2 years in jail? What exactly is the minimum/maximum prison time he faces?

 

[Israel's Top Guy]

thats 2 years in jail? What exactly is the minimum/maximum prison time he faces?

I think I saw "1 year" around here, but I've also been told that Chris himself waived the right to a speedy trial, in a potential ploy by Chris' lawyer to get Chris on some benefits or housing scheme. Not sure. I would like to know more too! I wish the CWC forum was more recently updated.

 

[King Kiwi]

Continuance. PS i hate redditorsView attachment 4723562

Fuckers.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

thats 2 years in jail? What exactly is the minimum/maximum prison time he faces?

When Chris was first charged with a class 1 misdemeanor, the max time was 12 months, however when that time passed and the evaluations came in, the courts wobbled it to a class 5 felony, which has a 1 years minimum and a 10 year maximum.

I wonder if all of these continuances can be taken to mean that Chris might be fucked in terms of the charges he is facing, and that the defense is trying to get time to make the best of a bad situation for Chris in terms of a sentence or consequences.

I think these hearings were mainly pushed by Heilberg, but I also think the courts have some sort of requirement for Chris, such as wanting to improve. Chris not taking it upon himself to start adulting, and instead, keep playing his games is mostly likely the issues that the courts are having him placed somewhere.

Imagine a group place where there are people struggling, trying hard, with staff that are actively helping, then Chris waddles in, proclaiming he's Jesus, and making fart noises all the time, singing Britney Spears, and generally treating the place like it's just a pitstop on his life. The staff thinks he's really looney tunes, but then they see his evaluations and realize that there's nothing wrong with him other than the tism, and that he's just doing it because he doesn't care.

If you ran a place like that, you wouldn't want Chris within 100 feet of the place, or the patients. So once again, because of Chris just refusing to play ball, he's fucking himself even harder.

 

[Hepativore]

When Chris was first charged with a class 1 misdemeanor, the max time was 12 months, however when that time passed and the evaluations came in, the courts wobbled it to a class 5 felony, which has a 1 years minimum and a 10 year maximum.

I think these hearings were mainly pushed by Heilberg, but I also think the courts have some sort of requirement for Chris, such as wanting to improve. Chris not taking it upon himself to start adulting, and instead, keep playing his games is mostly likely the issues that the courts are having him placed somewhere.

Imagine a group place where there are people struggling, trying hard, with staff that are actively helping, then Chris waddles in, proclaiming he's Jesus, and making fart noises all the time, singing Britney Spears, and generally treating the place like it's just a pitstop on his life. The staff thinks he's really looney tunes, but then they see his evaluations and realize that there's nothing wrong with him other than the tism, and that he's just doing it because he doesn't care.

If you ran a place like that, you wouldn't want Chris within 100 feet of the place, or the patients. So once again, because of Chris just refusing to play ball, he's fucking himself even harder.

I assumed that Chris is beyond learning how to take care of himself or "improve" (How do you come back from raping your senile mother, repeatedly?) and it was simply a matter of finding places that take permanent group home residents who are also sex pests, as there might not be that many left that do anymore.

 

[Israel's Top Guy]

I assumed that Chris is beyond learning how to take care of himself or "improve" (How do you come back from raping your senile mother, repeatedly?) and it was simply a matter of finding places that take permanent group home residents who are also sex pests, as there might not be that many left that do anymore.

Looks like it's off to Coalinga State Hospital for Chris!

 

[JazzHandsMcFeelz]

When Chris was first charged with a class 1 misdemeanor, the max time was 12 months, however when that time passed and the evaluations came in, the courts wobbled it to a class 5 felony, which has a 1 years minimum and a 10 year maximum.

Does the court take his past legal troubles( Hitting Schneider w/ a car, and GameStop) into consideration? Do you think it will result in a higher sentencing?

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

Does the court take his past legal troubles( Hitting Schneider w/ a car, and GameStop) into consideration? Do you think it will result in a higher sentencing?

I don't believe so since it's not relevant to this case. If there was violence involved, maybe, but unless it's part of a history of such things, like Chris actually raping Rocky, then it's not pertinent.

I assumed that Chris is beyond learning how to take care of himself or "improve" (How do you come back from raping your senile mother, repeatedly?) and it was simply a matter of finding places that take permanent group home residents who are also sex pests, as there might not be that many left that do anymore.

Chris is absolutely able to take care of himself. He knows, if he doesn't pay the electric bill, then the electric gets shutoff. He knows how to feed himself, how to clothes himself, and could live a relatively normal life.

The main issue is, he doesn't want to. He doesn't want to be responsible, and actively gave that up so he continue to play fantasy. His last deferral for the trespassing taught him that he didn't even need to dress nicely to go to his appointments, he could wear his crown, 10 pounds of magic rocks and jewelry, sperg about the merge, and as long as he didn't get into trouble, it would be over. He's doing that right now. "Well they can't keep me locked up forever" So instead of taking things seriously, putting in a tiny amount of effort, he's just content to sit and wait it out.

Besides, he's got everything he needs where he is, and he doesn't have to deal with bills or money, so that's a win win. If he gets out, he would have to deal with those things, so why bother?

 

[BallBuster II]

It seems like he has limited contact with the outside world, as there have been no letters in quite some time. Does he have visitation privileges if somebody was inclined to try and visit him? I'd assume no at this point as I am sure weens and clout chasers would have tried already.

Though, it does seem a bit cruel and unusual that he'd be denied visitation rights.

 

[AnOminous]

I think I saw "1 year" around here, but I've also been told that Chris himself waived the right to a speedy trial, in a potential ploy by Chris' lawyer to get Chris on some benefits or housing scheme. Not sure. I would like to know more too! I wish the CWC forum was more recently updated.

It was one year when it was in juvenile court. They had to upgrade the charge to a felony or release him. Now it's a class 5 felony, with a theoretical maximum of 10 years. They could also conceivably throw in a rape charge as well with a maximum of life (but haven't and probably won't).

I don't believe so since it's not relevant to this case. If there was violence involved, maybe, but unless it's part of a history of such things, like Chris actually raping Rocky, then it's not pertinent.

Priors are usually taken into account in the sentencing grid. Chris's priors are not very serious so would have little impact on sentencing. They'd probably use a form like this:

http://www.vcsc.virginia.gov/worksheets2021/Other_SexObs.pdf

Prior sexual offenses are weighted more heavily upon conviction of a subsequent sexual offense, and Chris doesn't have those. What he has would give him a couple extra points at most. Judges can generally deviate from the sentencing guidelines. Rules vary by state but in general, when they do so, especially for an upward departure, they have to justify it with facts in the record.

So his priors, as minor as they are, would affect the guidelines sentence, but the judge could disregard them as irrelevant.

This assumes an actual trial, which is still unlikely, but if all this is the result of Chris refusing to be put in a tard home, or something like that, they could conceivably call off the whole deferral thing and go ahead with the trial.

 

[Ophelia]

It seems like he has limited contact with the outside world, as there have been no letters in quite some time.

None that we know of. It tells us Chris stopped sending letters to people who share them. He has the right to send and receive mail if he wants to, but what if he doesn’t want to?

Does he have visitation privileges if somebody was inclined to try and visit him? I'd assume no at this point as I am sure weens and clout chasers would have tried already.

Someone claimed to, but hasn’t provided sufficient evidence to support the claim.

I’m getting the sense that weens would rather fuck with people who can give them more clout than Chris can.

 

[King Kiwi]

Looks like it's off to Coalinga State Hospital for Chris!

Just the idea of them charging Chris with not guilty by reason of insanity and to be able to see the look on Chris's face puts a big smile on mine.

Then it's a one-way ticket to the loony bin.

Beautiful.

 

[Hepativore]

Just the idea of them charging Chris with not guilty by reason of insanity and to be able to see the look on Chris's face puts a big smile on mine.

Then it's a one-way ticket to the loony bin.

Beautiful.

Okay, this is sadistic of me, I know, but I would think it would be even more amusing for Chris to get a rape/sexual assault charge, and then find out what being on the state SOR means, post-release.

 

[Cherenkovblue]

I wonder if all of these continuances can be taken to mean that Chris might be fucked in terms of the charges he is facing, and that the defense is trying to get time to make the best of a bad situation for Chris in terms of a sentence or consequences.

No. The continuances are with respect to the attempt by his attorney to obtain a deferred judgement due to autism. There's still the possibility (and given Chris's mentality one might says inevitability) that he'll violate the terms of his deferment and wind up with a criminal conviction for incest. If I had to guess I'd say that the perpetual continuances are a sign that he's not improving and he's heading for the Bad End(tm).

Everything should come to a head sometime in August. Until then... be patient (or go neck a troon or something).

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Does the court take his past legal troubles( Hitting Schneider w/ a car, and GameStop) into consideration? Do you think it will result in a higher sentencing?

Chris's priors are not very serious so would have little impact on sentencing.

This is why Chris really needs to be convicted of a felony!

If any of Chris' run ins with the law before had been treated as felonies, a prosecutor and Judge would see Chris is a repeat offender and hitting Michael Snyder with a fucking car would've been tried as a felony and resulted in prison time. But by their books he had no priors so he was allowed to take an Alford plea without serving any time.

If Michael Snyder had been a felony on his record, a prosecutor and Judge would see that Chris is a violent repeat offender when he pepper sprayed the Gamestop employee, but by their books he had no priors so he was allowed to plea guilty without serving any time.

If the Gamestop macing had been convicted as a felony, the prosecution and Judge would see Chris as a violent repeat offender and humor no notion of Autism Disposition for a violent criminal on his third strike.

But if Chris gets the Autism Disposition, he'll still have no felonies on his record, and the next time he commits vehicular assault or rapes a child it will be his 27th first offense so the Judge will go easy on him. One of these judges needs to put their foot down and say "NO! You are now on record as a violent criminal, and that on your record will tell every future judge you deal with to throw the book at you!"

 

[Hepativore]

This is why Chris really needs to be convicted of a felony!

If any of Chris' run ins with the law before had been treated as felonies, a prosecutor and Judge would see Chris is a repeat offender and hitting Michael Snyder with a fucking car would've been tried as a felony and resulted in prison time. But by their books he had no priors so he was allowed to take an Alford plea without serving any time.

If Michael Snyder had been a felony on his record, a prosecutor and Judge would see that Chris is a violent repeat offender when he pepper sprayed the Gamestop employee, but by their books he had no priors so he was allowed to plea guilty without serving any time.

If the Gamestop macing had been convicted as a felony, the prosecution and Judge would see Chris as a violent repeat offender and humor no notion of Autism Disposition for a violent criminal on his third strike.

But if Chris gets the Autism Disposition, he'll still have no felonies on his record, and the next time he commits vehicular assault or rapes a child it will be his 27th first offense so the Judge will go easy on him. One of these judges needs to put their foot down and say "NO! You are now on record as a violent criminal, and that on your record will tell every future judge you deal with to throw the book at you!"

I wish the autism deposition would mean something akin to a judgment, like:

"Look, take pity on Chris if you want, but the fact is, that he is capable of being violent or sexually assaulting people. Perhaps he has diminished capacity to make decisions, but that does not absolve him of all responsibility. We are therefore putting him in home X for the rest of his life. It is not necessarily a punishment per se, and he will be well-cared for, but the fact is, that he is unfit to live in general society whether you have sympathy for him or not. It is for his and everybody else's own good."

 

[Ophelia]

I wish the autism deposition would mean something akin to a judgment, like:

"Look, take pity on Chris if you want, but the fact is, that he is capable of being violent or sexually assaulting people. Perhaps he has diminished capacity to make decisions, but that does not absolve him of all responsibility. We are therefore putting him in home X for the rest of his life. It is not necessarily a punishment per se, and he will be well-cared for, but the fact is, that he is unfit to live in general society whether you have sympathy for him or not. It is for his and everybody else's own good."

That’s how it should be. Even though Chris (along with Barb, don’t forget) wasn’t exactly chasing Snyder around with the car, even though Chris aimed downwards with the mace, even though his assault was on a family member and not a random stranger (much less a child), he’s dangerous enough to need constant monitoring. Not necessarily in prison, but he shouldn’t be derping about on his own, free as a bird.

Spoiler: Slight PL

Over the weekend I had a shitty encounter with a tard even lower functioning than Chris, and I’m just tired of the coddling.

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On a different note, since this thread has veered so far from its original purpose, maybe it should be locked and a new thread for general jail etc should be started?

 

[JazzHandsMcFeelz]

That’s how it should be. Even though Chris (along with Barb, don’t forget) wasn’t exactly chasing Snyder around with the car, even though Chris aimed downwards with the mace, even though his assault was on a family member and not a random stranger (much less a child), he’s dangerous enough to need constant monitoring. Not necessarily in prison, but he shouldn’t be derping about on his own, free as a bird.

Spoiler: Slight PL

Over the weekend I had a shitty encounter with a tard even lower functioning than Chris, and I’m just tired of the coddling.

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On a different note, since this thread has veered so far from its original purpose, maybe it should be locked and a new thread for general jail etc should be started?

Jail saga thread?

 

[King Kiwi]

I wish the autism deposition would mean something akin to a judgment, like:

"Look, take pity on Chris if you want, but the fact is, that he is capable of being violent or sexually assaulting people. Perhaps he has diminished capacity to make decisions, but that does not absolve him of all responsibility. We are therefore putting him in home X for the rest of his life. It is not necessarily a punishment per se, and he will be well-cared for, but the fact is, that he is unfit to live in general society whether you have sympathy for him or not. It is for his and everybody else's own good."

Chris deserves nothing less than to be tried to the highest letter of the law.

He knew what he was doing and gloated about it thinking he wouldn't get caught.

Laws exist for a reason; that's why I'm not a very big fan of videos or something saying "oh look how talented or special this AUTISTIC person is".

As if this person is only worth noting for an accomplishment because they did in spite of their autism.

No.

They did it because they either worked hard or have natural talent. Or they got in trouble, like Chris, and don't care about the consequences because they've always been let go.

I don't behold with this guff about treating autism/disability like it's some sort of crowning achievement of humanity, any more than I condone bullying people with autism on the simple fact that they have autism.

Indeed, they have to have done something to deserve it.

Now there are people who genuinely can't help it with autism, I know that.

But this Woke culture is just as bad as the culture I grew up with that didn't give a rat's ass to understand people who had disabilities or who were different.

It takes tough stuff to make it in this world, it takes even tougher stuff not to let labels to define you.