Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

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I was detecting a bit of a pattern with the new episode. Bo-Katan wields the Darksaber better than Mando does, and Mando is rescued from his foolish quest by Bo-Katan. Maybe this is a "respect women" angle they're going for? The whole arc seems to be building up to Din giving the Darksaber back to Bo-Katan by letting her win because she saved his life, while the traditions of the Children of the Watch are portrayed as stupid. (They make you wear the mask all day, they do baptisms near monster-infested waters, Din's quest to be absolved by them nearly got him killed.)

Traditions are bad, let the past die, respect women, it seems that this new episode is revealing some old patterns.
I disagree. I think the events of this episode will challenge her views on what it means to be a mandalorian. Bo-Katan thinks that because of her bloodline she deserves to rule all mandalorians. Her father and her sister were leaders, she isn't and she knows it. She's just a cuckquean who seethes on a throne in an empty hall, lol.
That said, it was nice to see Katee in the cockpit of a ship again.
 
The treatment of Clones is just weird in Disney Canon. In Legends, they just naturally phased out because they got old and, due to the experts on Cloning turning on the Empire, the Empire couldn't reliably mass produce more as well as the inhibitor chips not existing to make them completely loyal slaves. In the Bad Batch, the Empire is just weirdly fucking eager to throw out the completely devoted, brainwashed super soldiers and replace them with far less experienced, far less efficient and far less loyal conscripts who'd probably cost more in the long run than maintaining the clones.
 
It's the same pattern with Baby Yoda. Rushing it so that they can have Din back with the rest of the Mandos. Even though BY should've stayed with Luke for quite some time, they gave him back to Mando.


I was detecting a bit of a pattern with the new episode. Bo-Katan wields the Darksaber better than Mando does, and Mando is rescued from his foolish quest by Bo-Katan. Maybe this is a "respect women" angle they're going for? The whole arc seems to be building up to Din giving the Darksaber back to Bo-Katan by letting her win because she saved his life, while the traditions of the Children of the Watch are portrayed as stupid. (They make you wear the mask all day, they do baptisms near monster-infested waters, Din's quest to be absolved by them nearly got him killed.)
I think it's just a red herring of having Bo be more experienced with it right now so it seems like she's meant to wield it. I could be wrong of course, but that's how it looks to me.
 
loyal clone soldiers are getting shafted by officers who just get off on acting like dickweeds without producing actual results.
To be fair, that was some random depot in the middle of fucking nowhere, you're not going to have your best and brightest in a place like that.
In the Bad Batch, the Empire is just weirdly fucking eager to throw out the completely devoted, brainwashed super soldiers and replace them with far less experienced, far less efficient and far less loyal conscripts who'd probably cost more in the long run than maintaining the clones.
The reason Palpatine used a clone army is because it's incredibly expensive to do so and that means that the creation of an army would also result in a massive economic crisis in which he could accrue even more emergency powers and once he had full control the Clones weren't need anymore, though in that case the brass should be given the memo that the clones are being replaced so they might as well use them up before they'll need pensions, which would have the added bonus of an army of experienced yet disposable soldiers that the Empire could throw at any Seperatist holdout or revolt against their rule. Filoni's favouritism and immaturity prevent him from realising this and so the Empire are a bunch of dumb meanie-heads.
I think it's just a red herring of having Bo be more experienced with it
She's had it for however long the interim between Rebels and DO IT AGAIN MOFF GIDEON is, of course she's more experienced.
 
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She's had it for however long the interim between Rebels and DO IT AGAIN MOFF GIDEON is, of course she's more experienced.
I mean that the show is trying to say she's more deserving of it because she can wield it better whereas Din's barely been able to hold it up so far. Seems a bit weird for her to lose it, have everyone ghost her and lose power only to get it back again. Then again, status quo and all that.
 
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The treatment of Clones is just weird in Disney Canon. In the Bad Batch, the Empire is just weirdly fucking eager to throw out the completely devoted, brainwashed super soldiers and replace them with far less experienced, far less efficient and far less loyal conscripts who'd probably cost more in the long run than maintaining the clones.
Again, this is Filoni trying to wipe away nuance and make the Empire into unappealing idiots. He's already made them into clowns in Rebels and the Mandalorian, now he seeks to remove any nuance with the Empire and just make them all jerks, even though if Crosshair was in the OG canon, he'd wind up in the 501st Legion because of his skills, and he'd probably be honored by Vader and the Emperor for his dedication to duty and his efficiency. But in the new canon, it's opposite day, so dumb officer twits who can't get shit done treat effective and loyal soldiers like shit because they're the bad guys and you're meant to hate them. This feels less like a lived-in world with people who have realistic motivations, and more like a cartoon for a four-year-old. It's even more childish than TCW.

Because again, Filoni hates Empire fans, and he has to attack Empire fans, because every other faction has been deconstructed to hell and back and proved to be useless in the new canon. The Jedi? Hypocritical, corrupt fuck-ups who deserved to be annihilated. That's what Dooku and Ahsoka's stories show us in the new canon, and that's why they're the WOKE ones who left the Jedi. The Mandalorians? Idiots who fight each other, leading to the destruction of their homeworld. They even have stupid rules that either allow the enemy to manipulate them (trial by combat) or are downright idiotic (the Creed of the Children of the Watch). The Alliance to Restore the Republic? Useless twits whose fight against the Empire accomplished nothing, since an even stronger Empire comes to power in the Sequel Trilogy right under their noses; the First Order, which annihilates the Alliance's New Republic in a single blow. Every faction worth talking about has been undressed and exposed as fools, and now, it's the Empire's turn.

They are unwilling to build up a faction for the people to like and be inspired by, so they'll just tear the existing factions down, be they Jedi, Rebels, Mandos, or Imperials. Which is funny, since these morons also sell toys of these guys, yet they want us to see these people as fuck-ups, assholes, or clowns.

To be fair, that was some random depot in the middle of fucking nowhere, you're not going to have your best and brightest in a place like that.
Even so. The officers should at least show some minor respect for the clones, since they're human. I'd expect these officers to hate aliens instead.

The reason Palpatine used a clone army is because it's incredibly expensive to do so and that means that the creation of an army would also result in a massive economic crisis in which he could accrue even more emergency powers and once he had full control the Clones weren't need anymore, though in that case the brass should be given the memo that the clones are being replaced so they might as well use them up before they'll need pensions, which would have the added bonus of an army of experienced yet disposable soldiers that the Empire could throw at any Seperatist holdout or revolt against their rule. Filoni's favouritism and immaturity prevent him from realising this and so the Empire are a bunch of dumb meanie-heads.
A smarter writer could've written a more nuanced plot based on how the Empire adapts Stormtroopers because of how freaked out the galaxy would be at Order 66. All of a sudden, these clones who have served for years with the Jedi frag them at a moment's notice? Because of what some politician on Coruscant told them to do? And these clones all came from some artificial environment, which would make the galaxy wary of them. You can have plots where many Mid-Rim and Outer Rim worlds do not react positively to the clone presence in their lands, and some even see them as hostile occupying armies, since they don't know these people. Riots start to flare up in the rim worlds, and there's just not enough clones to keep them quiet, especially with some clone units still occupied with fighting Separatist holdouts and occupying Separatist worlds with hostile populations.

Palpatine reacts to this by killing two birds with one stone, opening up the Stormtrooper corps to allow recruitment from local populations, which then opens up more jobs for rimworld yokels and serves to put the people of the galaxy at ease, when they start seeing their neighbors, brothers, and fathers patrolling their streets alongside the clones. You can even have it so that the clones go along with it due to them being promoted to officer-class, with many clones becoming squad leaders for birth-born Stormtroopers, while others become drill sergeants who whip the recruits into shape.

They should've gone with what Rampart originally proposed with Project War Mantle, where experienced clones pass on their skills to a new generation of loyal soldiers recruited by the government. The only negative part is that the clones do what we see Crosshair did back on Onderon; they impose the brutal "good soldiers follow orders" upon the new recruits, which would explain why later soldiers are OK with committing war crimes, because the clones taught them to. But given that Filoni gave the clones the "DINDU NUFFIN" treatment, he obviously couldn't do that, since the clones that he turned into heroes in TCW can't possibly become villains, now can they?

Again, it's a morality play being told to a fucking four-year-old, as opposed to the movies, where even fucking Palpatine scores some sympathy points in the PT because the government he's a part of in TPM is basically a mix between the ineffective UN and fucking Somalia, which would explain why even the evil politician/space wizards who can just mooch of the system like parasites for their whole lives would risk everything to create the Empire just to instill some order in that broken galaxy........

I mean that the show is trying to say she's more deserving of it because she can wield it better whereas Din's barely been able to hold it up so far. Seems a bit weird for her to lose it, have everyone ghost her and lose power only to get it back again. Then again, status quo and all that.
My point exactly. It seems that the arc the show is headed to is make her worthy to wield it, and for Din to just give it up to her, either willingly, or by fighting her and losing on purpose so she can claim it fair and square.
 
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...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand just like that, more prematurely announced Star Wars Projects have been utterly fucking shitcanned. Whatever grotesque bastardization of X-Wing that Jenkins was planning is up in smoke, and the Feige project might have even dumped before it even reached a premise or planning stages.

This is the seventh project to get announced and subsequently cancelled, by the way, for those keeping score. And did I mention that this cancellation comes in advance of whatever film-related announcements that LucasFilm is planning to unveil at this year's Star Wars Celebration?Just...wonderful publicity to herald your upcoming movies, and reassure the public that this next new batch of films will evade the catastrophic production woes of their ST predecessors.

What a shithouse company.
 

...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand just like that, more prematurely announced Star Wars Projects have been utterly fucking shitcanned. Whatever grotesque bastardization of X-Wing that Jenkins was planning is up in smoke, and the Feige project might have even dumped before it even reached a premise or planning stages.

This is the seventh project to get announced and subsequently cancelled, by the way, for those keeping score. And did I mention that this cancellation comes in advance of whatever film-related announcements that LucasFilm is planning to unveil at this year's Star Wars Celebration?Just...wonderful publicity to herald your upcoming movies, and reassure the public that this next new batch of films will evade the catastrophic production woes of their ST predecessors.

What a shithouse company.

I'll say it again:
It is pretty much free to announce a project and then see what the world things and then shitcan it.
Don't believe shit until checks are being written and contracts signed.
 
I disagree. I think the events of this episode will challenge her views on what it means to be a mandalorian. Bo-Katan thinks that because of her bloodline she deserves to rule all mandalorians. Her father and her sister were leaders, she isn't and she knows it. She's just a cuckquean who seethes on a throne in an empty hall, lol.
That said, it was nice to see Katee in the cockpit of a ship again.
Also a reminder that Bo-Katan was the lieutenant in Death Watch, whom overthrew her sister and then got mad when her own dumb civilization's rules decreed Darth Maul was the rightful ruler. As incompetent as the Duchess Satine was, the fall of the Mandalorian civilization can be traced back to Bo-Katan's and Pre-Vizila's actions.
 
I was detecting a bit of a pattern with the new episode. Bo-Katan wields the Darksaber better than Mando does, and Mando is rescued from his foolish quest by Bo-Katan. Maybe this is a "respect women" angle they're going for? The whole arc seems to be building up to Din giving the Darksaber back to Bo-Katan by letting her win because she saved his life, while the traditions of the Children of the Watch are portrayed as stupid. (They make you wear the mask all day, they do baptisms near monster-infested waters, Din's quest to be absolved by them nearly got him killed.)
Honestly, I’m surprised you’re still watching. Every episode from now until doomsday is going to follow the same generic beats.

If you’re having trouble remembering who I am, I’m the guy who caught some flack in this thread a while back for saying TLJ was okay and watching Kenobi all the way through.

I personally cancelled my Disney Plus subscription about halfway through Andor and haven’t looked back since. The opposite of love isn’t hate - it’s indifference. I’m just not interested in Disney Wars anymore. I wouldn’t even pirate it.

The only Star Wars thing I’m looking forward to are some mod updates to Empire at War and none of the mod authors work for or are endorsed by Disney.
 
At this point SW belongs on TV. There's nothing Disney could possibly do to justify making another movie that might eat shit at the box office again. The TV shows are successful (most of them) and have been carrying this fucking franchise since 2019.
Meanwhile Big Harv's former assistant still has her own SW project. What a shitty timeline.
That's because it's entered production, as in they're actually filming it. Everything else right now is just a vague idea of something that might happen pitched by someone with no guarantee it will actually get made.
 
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Also a reminder that Bo-Katan was the lieutenant in Death Watch, whom overthrew her sister and then got mad when her own dumb civilization's rules decreed Darth Maul was the rightful ruler. As incompetent as the Duchess Satine was, the fall of the Mandalorian civilization can be traced back to Bo-Katan's and Pre-Vizila's actions.
If you think about it, Bo-Katan and Darth Maul weren't really all that different. They are both murderous power hungry former stooges of more powerful men (pre vizsla and Palpatine). The difference is that Maul has force powers and want to use mandalor to challenge the goals of Palpatine while Bo-Katan is a nativist.
 
If you think about it, Bo-Katan and Darth Maul weren't really all that different. They are both murderous power hungry former stooges of more powerful men (pre vizsla and Palpatine). The difference is that Maul has force powers and want to use mandalor to challenge the goals of Palpatine while Bo-Katan is a nativist.
That, and at least Maul had a vision of expanding Mandalore's influence by tying it with criminal syndicates that can provide it with money. Bo-Katan's plan is at most, to just have a warrior-based Mandalore that's free of both sides.......but what's their goal? Warriors are at best when they're waging war against something. And let's say that Bo-Katan became the ruler of Mandalore. Imagine a scenario where Satine comes down with an incurable disease, she doesn't have long left to live, and she writes in her last will and testament that Bo-Katan will inherit the throne.

Bo-Katan appears a day after Satine dies, takes over, has the Death Watch return Mandalore to its warrior ways, and then what? What do they do? What can Bo-Katan do that would make Mandalore strong? With whom will she wage a war against?

Will she go to war with either the Republic or the Separatists? They'll crush her Mandalore like a bug, in the same way Dooku and Grievous crushed the Nightsisters. They're a local army going up against a massive, manufactured army backed up by tanks, air support, and a navy. They've got nothing that can counter such combined-arms strength.

Will she go to war with neutral nations and third parties? That might work for a while, but eventually, one of these third parties will contact one of the big two factions for help, and then the Mandalorians get crushed.

If Bo-Katan goes against the warrior ways and tries to build an independent economy of her own by turning Mandalore towards other pursuits, the Death Watch and Pre Vizsla will disown her and overthrow her. And allying with one of the two factions would have its hurdles; Pre Vizsla hates the Jedi and would never sign on with the Republic, but Dooku betrayed them too, so the Separatists wouldn't welcome them either.

So what exactly was Bo-Katan's plan from the start?

Also a reminder that Bo-Katan was the lieutenant in Death Watch, whom overthrew her sister and then got mad when her own dumb civilization's rules decreed Darth Maul was the rightful ruler. As incompetent as the Duchess Satine was, the fall of the Mandalorian civilization can be traced back to Bo-Katan's and Pre-Vizila's actions.
That, and the way she rebelled was idiotic. After Pre Vizsla's death, Bo-Katan could've just bowed down like the others, smuggled Kenobi into Mandalore with a message, then had him challenge Maul in front of the other warrior Mandos to fight the same kind of honor duel that Maul fought Viszla in. Since Kenobi drove off both Maul and Savage last time, a man-on-man duel with Kenobi being fresh and prepared would likely end with the latter winning, and Bo-Katan could've had Maul gone, kept her sister alive, and have a wise leader for Mandalore who's good at waging war and could get Mandalore more supplies and support from the Republic.
 

...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand just like that, more prematurely announced Star Wars Projects have been utterly fucking shitcanned. Whatever grotesque bastardization of X-Wing that Jenkins was planning is up in smoke, and the Feige project might have even dumped before it even reached a premise or planning stages.

This is the seventh project to get announced and subsequently cancelled, by the way, for those keeping score. And did I mention that this cancellation comes in advance of whatever film-related announcements that LucasFilm is planning to unveil at this year's Star Wars Celebration?Just...wonderful publicity to herald your upcoming movies, and reassure the public that this next new batch of films will evade the catastrophic production woes of their ST predecessors.

What a shithouse company.

Lucasfilm must be a disaster of internal rivalries and politics. If there was one Star Wars project that I think would be a surefire winner it would be a Rogue Squadron movie. Have the higher ups at Lucasfilm noticed that one of the biggest movies of 2022 was a fighter pilot movie called Top Gun? A Star Wars fighter pilot movie is a no brainer! Everyone remembers the iconic space battles from the original trilogy. Plus a Rogue Squadron movie would emphasize the WAR in Star Wars which I think was part of the success of Andor and Rogue One.

Just set it after the Second death star battle and have it be classic imperial vs rebel action. How could this go wrong?
 
Lucasfilm must be a disaster of internal rivalries and politics.
SJWs model everything after matriarchies because patriarchies are evil. And have you seen how such societies act? It's like high school girl cliques all over again.

If there was one Star Wars project that I think would be a surefire winner it would be a Rogue Squadron movie. Have the higher ups at Lucasfilm noticed that one of the biggest movies of 2022 was a fighter pilot movie called Top Gun? A Star Wars fighter pilot movie is a no brainer! Everyone remembers the iconic space battles from the original trilogy. Plus a Rogue Squadron movie would emphasize the WAR in Star Wars which I think was part of the success of Andor and Rogue One.

Just set it after the Second death star battle and have it be classic imperial vs rebel action. How could this go wrong?
They'll focus on the Antifa angle and say that the New Republic was a betrayal of the Rebellion's cause because they didn't remove the private property of the rich folks and give true power to the Proletariat. Rogue One was already supposed to be a clash between good vs. evil and yet somehow they made the rebels under Saw worse than the Empire.

At this point SW belongs on TV. There's nothing Disney could possibly do to justify making another movie that might eat shit at the box office again. The TV shows are successful (most of them) and have been carrying this fucking franchise since 2019.
TV practically saved the franchise for Disney after TLJ and RoS. The Sequels tanked, but the Mandalorian and Season 7 of TCW got the normie fans back in line, so TV is practically the main medium for Star Wars now, especially since TCW is practically the most beloved SW media at this point, if we're looking at fanbase numbers.

That's because it's entered production, as in they're actually filming it. Everything else right now is just a vague idea of something that might happen pitched by someone with no guarantee it will actually get made.
Basically, it's the difference between ideas being workshopped and projects that have actually been approved of and are in production.
 
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...And the controversies. Keep. Stacking.

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I legit don't think the timing of this news could've been any worse, with the announcement of Feige and Jenkins' projects being mercilessly axed. Whether you hate LFL or you simp for them, this is an awful, awful look for them right now.

If you want a breakdown the lawsuit, apparently this McCarthy lady turned down a high-paying gig at Apple producing a series called Sugar, which she had to back out of due to LucasFilm wanting her as a producer on the upcoming High Republic-set Acolyte series on Disney Plus. According to her, LFL's contract demanded a "long-term commitment" to the series, which would prevent her from even taking new contracts like the Apple one at a later date.

And then out of fucking nowhere, two weeks into shooting the Acolyte, "without explanation, without reason, without justification, Lucasfilm told McCarthy it wanted out of the deal", which was an unbelievably shitty move since this was not only a breach of LFL's contract, but also because by this point, "Apple's offer was gone, as they had to move on and find for Sugar", ensuring that McCarthy now "had neither deal".

Oh, but it gets worse. Because then LFL just decided not to pay her for her two weeks of work. Well, unless you call a pittance of $5,000 sufficient wages for two weeks of production work. And what does LFL due when McCarthy calls them out on this? Well...

"Lucasfilm denied that they even had an agreement, even though (1) they had made their offer, containing all of the material deal points; (20 McCarthy accepted that offer; (3) Lucasfilm had McCarthy start right away; and (4) Lucasfilm sent to McCarthy a memorandum of agreement, memorializing the terms including that McCarthy had already commenced working, In further disregard of McCarthy and the work she had already done, Lucasfilm offered to pay McCarthy $5,000 for a single day’s work."

No, you didn't misread that. They got two weeks of work out of this woman, but are only paying for one day of work. This isn't new territory for Disney/LFL. After all, this is the same company who tried to duck out of paying Alan Dean Foster his deserved royalties for years, making money off of work he wasn't being compensated for. But the difference is that McCarthy isn't a cancer-ridden 76-year-old man, and is not only pushing with a lawsuit, but airing all of this quite publicly, to ensure that everyone can see what kind of cavalcade of assholes inhabit LucasFilm's corporate hierarchy.

You know, it's funny; for a company that spends so much time chestbeating on social media about the vitality, diversity and inclusion, and about how "The Force is Female" and how "Women Run The Star Wars Universe"...LucasFilm certainly seems awful squeamish about paying their female employees for their work.

Seems like all that female empowerment stops at the door. Who'd have thunk it, right?
 
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