Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Krokodil Overdose]

Just who the fuck is stupid enough to fall for this obvious lie?

"It is very difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon him not understanding."

That said, I'm not sure I buy Hersh's story- the guy is old school journoscum like Woodward and Bernstein, and those guys are some of the most credulous fucks on the planet, entirely used to CIA assets or whatever dumping files in their lap in the service of some office politics bullshit. His story hinged on one nameless source and had a lot of issues with the timeline (they mined the pipeline before February, but didn't detonate it until the fall, long after it became clear the sanctions had failed? Fucking why?) to the point where I wouldn't be shocked if it was a limited hang-out.

 

[Meh123]

I was going to post the first video with this one I came across last night
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He makes a good point-the people are millions, they are few.

Do you have the videos the guy talks about?

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

The Nord Stream Pipeline incident is the best litmus test when it comes to knowing about world events or just the news in general. It really shows who parrots what the media is saying and the people who actually look into things. It would take no more the five minutes to figure out the pipeline was Russia's greatest leverage it had with the EU and by extension NATO. This news only comes to as a surprise who get all their information from headlines posted on twitter.

The fact that we indoctrinated people to fear saying ‘I don’t know‘ and instead to just blurt out propaganda is horrible.

 

[Makhno]

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I wonder why the Georgian Govt want to crack down on NGO's...

NGO's are chiefly how the west slips its dick of dysfunction into the asshole of your country; that and sending your elite to be educated at their universities. They push mentally retarded nation wrecking things like female western university educated leaders who are mentally retarded like half of Eastern Europe, including Georgia, suffers under right now.

The Nord Stream Pipeline incident is the best litmus test when it comes to knowing about world events or just the news in general. It really shows who parrots what the media is saying and the people who actually look into things. It would take no more the five minutes to figure out the pipeline was Russia's greatest leverage it had with the EU and by extension NATO. This news only comes to as a surprise who get all their information from headlines posted on twitter.

If you believe the media line on this story and that is wasn't directly done by Americans you are mentally retarded or a complete NPC it is a great litmus test. Imagine how buck broken you have to be to go from "Russia blew up their own pipeline" to "whimsical Ukrainian saboteurs did it completely independent from Kiev" without stoping to wonder why the story completely changed.

 

[870EVO]

Meanwhile, the formerly-neutral Switzerland keeps losing out on Chinese money.

Swiss banks say rich Chinese clients worried about sanction prospects…

archived 8 Mar 2023 06:19:16 UTC

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Many seem to be backing out, not just the Chinese. It appears weaponizing the world banking system along geopolitical lines makes rich people not trust you. They aren't interested in ideology, they are interested in making money. And not getting it seized because they invested in the wrong shit.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

"whimsical Ukrainian saboteurs did it completely independent from Kiev"

I can picture it now.

BALTOPS 2022 in full force, military ships from all sorts of NATO nations are blanketing the sea, helicopters and AWACS planes overhead. Gunfire, smoke, explosions.

Suddenly out of the smoke comes out an old wooden Ukrainian rowboat. Everyone goes still. The only sound that can be heard are oars hitting the water. The rowboat slowly makes its way between the vast NATO military ships. In the rowboat, Mykola takes off his boot and pulls out an old map, drawn on a Soviet-era cigarette pack.

Mykola: "I think we're here."
Taras looks around, not noticing the US Navy helicopter circling overhead. "Seems correct. Ready?"
Mykola grabs a few handfuls of rocks and starts putting them in his pockets. When done, he ties a rope to his belt.
Taras hands him a cartoonish black round bomb with an old alarm clock taped to it. "Ready?"
Mykola salutes, says "Slava Ukraine!" and dives in. Taras salutes.
Few minutes later Taras pulls out the rope. A smiling Mykola is attached to the end of it.
"Taras, mission accomplished. The orcs will never know what hit them."

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

oh no swiss will have to own houses now instead of mansions. lol just kidding they have this, choclate, and I guess being mercs for kid diddling bishops. They are gonna be pretty fucked.

 

[Tenshi Eating A Corn Dog!]

The fact that we indoctrinated people to fear saying ‘I don’t know‘ and instead to just blurt out propaganda is horrible.

People in general fear saying "I don't know". It's off-topic for the thread, but I've noticed many people will talk out of their ass or parrot other information before they ever admit to a lack of knowledge. It most likely stems from a variety of factors (like pride, fearing looking inept or dumb, possibly fear of missing out on the latest conversations and so grabbing whatever is the most convenient info, wanting to fit in, etc) but I'm not knowledgable to know exactly what causes it and why it's so common. Was it always this way?

 

[Overly Serious]

The fact that we indoctrinated people to fear saying ‘I don’t know‘ and instead to just blurt out propaganda is horrible.

To say "I don't know" is a lonelier position that actually opposing the prevalent viewpoint. At least if you say it's wrong you have other people out there who will back you up, even if they're a minority. "I don't know" immediately invites the invested parties to either attack you for not caring or being "uninformed" and to then shower you with their reasons (or "reasons") and demand you give up neutrality.

Far from it being a safe avoidance of picking sides, "I don't know" is one of the hardest positions to maintain on anything political.

And yes, that is by design.

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

Seems that Ukraine is focusing on promoting western values rather than trying to win this war. At least being gay is more of an achievable goal for them, as opposed to winning a war.

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https://twitter.com/InnaSovsun/status/1633060444670767105

Fighting to defend globohomo

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

People in general fear saying "I don't know". It's off-topic for the thread, but I've noticed many people will talk out of their ass or parrot other information before they ever admit to a lack of knowledge. It most likely stems from a variety of factors (like pride, fearing looking inept or dumb, possibly fear of missing out on the latest conversations and so grabbing whatever is the most convenient info, wanting to fit in, etc) but I'm not knowledgable to know exactly what causes it and why it's so common. Was it always this way?

It isn’t even board rules in public bring up Ukraine and 95% of the room turn into armchair generals for hohols. Despite never having touched a gun. Ask where Ukraine is and everyone will have an answer and most will be wrong. No personal opinions will ever be reflected upon, everyone is always right all the time and no one will admit defeat. The end result being no one ever allows their opinion to change or be challenged the closest is probably this thread hell even @Vince McMahon got the Hohol thread’s ire for admitting Russians shouldn’t be slaughtered.

 

[870EVO]

This was 6 days before the Georgia riots started. CIA mad.

 

[Extreme Crusader]

The Russian's have fallen into a trap. It may appear as if Ukrainian forces have been slaughtered and Bakhmut is about to fall but it's actually the Russians who're trapped! 5D underwater chess.

This would be funny but by the looks of things Zelensky and his advisors are acting like they believe it. Fucking insanity.

2 more weeks before Russia gets pushed back. Trust the plan!

 

[Makhno]

"It is very difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon him not understanding."

That said, I'm not sure I buy Hersh's story- the guy is old school journoscum like Woodward and Bernstein, and those guys are some of the most credulous fucks on the planet, entirely used to CIA assets or whatever dumping files in their lap in the service of some office politics bullshit. His story hinged on one nameless source and had a lot of issues with the timeline (they mined the pipeline before February, but didn't detonate it until the fall, long after it became clear the sanctions had failed? Fucking why?) to the point where I wouldn't be shocked if it was a limited hang-out.

Everyone fucks with undersea cables continuously fren. Many times sabotage devices are also left behind in case of war. This stuff is all highly classified so it is never openly talked about but all major powers have submarines ex: US/RU they employ specifically for these tasks as well as teams of deep water divers to embark from them or surface ships. Also Nuland, Blinken, Sullivan, and Cohen (CIA) all pushed this shit. Seymour wasn't aware Cohen was behind William Burns. Sullivan hates Russia because he is a closeted homosexual btw; the rest are jews and big kudos to Seymour for naming his fellow tribesman. Also the way Seymour described the detonation sequence trigger is spot on and could only come from someone familiar with spooky remote explosive triggering familiar with requirements of job, like method of overcoming marine signal interference.

I can picture it now.

BALTOPS 2022 in full force, military ships from all sorts of NATO nations are blanketing the sea, helicopters and AWACS planes overhead. Gunfire, smoke, explosions.

Suddenly out of the smoke comes out an old wooden Ukrainian rowboat. Everyone goes still. The only sound that can be heard are oars hitting the water. The rowboat slowly makes its way between the vast NATO military ships. In the rowboat, Mykola takes off his boot and pulls out an old map, drawn on a Soviet-era cigarette pack.

Mykola: "I think we're here."
Taras looks around, not noticing the US Navy helicopter circling overhead. "Seems correct. Ready?"
Mykola grabs a few handfuls of rocks and starts putting them in his pockets. When done, he ties a rope to his belt.
Taras hands him a cartoonish black round bomb with an old alarm clock taped to it. "Ready?"
Mykola salutes, says "Slava Ukraine!" and dives in. Taras salutes.
Few minutes later Taras pulls out the rope. A smiling Mykola is attached to the end of it.
"Taras, mission accomplished. The orcs will never know what hit them."

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

I can picture it now.

BALTOPS 2022 in full force, military ships from all sorts of NATO nations are blanketing the sea, helicopters and AWACS planes overhead. Gunfire, smoke, explosions.

Suddenly out of the smoke comes out an old wooden Ukrainian rowboat. Everyone goes still. The only sound that can be heard are oars hitting the water. The rowboat slowly makes its way between the vast NATO military ships. In the rowboat, Mykola takes off his boot and pulls out an old map, drawn on a Soviet-era cigarette pack.

Mykola: "I think we're here."
Taras looks around, not noticing the US Navy helicopter circling overhead. "Seems correct. Ready?"
Mykola grabs a few handfuls of rocks and starts putting them in his pockets. When done, he ties a rope to his belt.
Taras hands him a cartoonish black round bomb with an old alarm clock taped to it. "Ready?"
Mykola salutes, says "Slava Ukraine!" and dives in. Taras salutes.
Few minutes later Taras pulls out the rope. A smiling Mykola is attached to the end of it.
"Taras, mission accomplished. The orcs will never know what hit them."

Artist's rendition of Taras, Mykola and Pavlo.

 

[Monuklear]

His story hinged on one nameless source

He said in an interview that he often uses other, unlisted sources to verify what the listed sources say (even when they're left anonymous), and implied that's the case with this story as well.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Everyone fucks with undersea cables continuously fren. Many times sabotage devices are also left behind in case of war. This stuff is all highly classified so it is never openly talked about but all major powers have submarines ex: US/RU they employ specifically for these tasks as well as teams of deep water divers to embark from them or surface ships. Also Nuland, Blinken, Sullivan, and Cohen (CIA) all pushed this shit. Seymour wasn't aware Cohen was behind William Burns. Sullivan hates Russia because he is a closeted homosexual btw; the rest are jews and big kudos to Seymour for naming his fellow tribesman. Also the way Seymour described the detonation sequence trigger is spot on and could only come from someone familiar with spooky remote explosive triggering familiar with requirements of job, like method of overcoming marine signal interference.

I don't think his story is impossible, in fact, I'd be shocked if it wasn't at least part true. Of course, when that's the case the main point of interest is what was left out and why. Unfortunately, we can't even begin to evaluate that because his sourcing isn't meaningfully different from "dude trust me," to wit:

He said in an interview that he often uses other, unlisted sources to verify what the listed sources say (even when they're left anonymous), and implied that's the case with this story as well.

 

[Got Milk!]

@Feline Supremacist you got part 2 of that vidya? Like the proof portion.

I really like the part where the reporting about the pipe bombers says they may be Ukrainian or RUSSIAN citizens. Also how the yacht is totally Polish, bro.

 

[Monuklear]

I don't think his story is impossible, in fact, I'd be shocked if it wasn't at least part true. Of course, when that's the case the main point of interest is what was left out and why. Unfortunately, we can't even begin to evaluate that because his sourcing isn't meaningfully different from "dude trust me," to wit:

If the guy who says "dude, trust me" has a solid history of bringing in revelations which later turned out true, and has been doing it for five decades, I'd say yeah, he's a pretty trustworthy dude worth listening to.

 

[kuuu]

If the guy who says "dude, trust me" has a solid history of bringing in revelations which later turned out true, and has been doing it for five decades, I'd say yeah, he's a pretty trustworthy dude worth listening to.

This or legacy media.
Especially right after Scholz went to a super secret meeting with Biden, which somehow coincides with all these news stories coming out about "pro-ukrainian yacht enthusiasts".

Spoiler: whoever goes for the latter