Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Abraham Lincoln]

"You are my enemy and my raison d'être is to destroy you, but how dare you not sell me stuff for the price that I have decided is fair. I SUE YOU."

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True and Honest Reddit moment. "Heckin sanctiorinos, against us? But we're the good guys, that's not FAIR!!"

The eternal bydlo keeps on justifying why they were double penetrated in the early years of the Second World War.

 

[Frostnipped Todger]

Anyone with an above freezing level IQ knows you don't encircle an entire city and kill thousands of troops with fucking shovels!

Though, it would be funny to see.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I expect what is really going on is Poland wants a slice of all that sweet sweet frozen Russian money sitting in Western Banks.

Poland getting table scraps, if anything

 

[YumeNoHero]

NEWSFLASH! Canadian news are reporting that Putin sleeps nude in an oxygen tent which he believes gives him sexual powers!

Vladimir Putin 'uses a cryogenic oxygen tank to extend his life'

The President of Russia has turned to using an oxygen tank - similar to the one previously used by pop star Michael Jackson.

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Bros, why are Canadians like this?

This is why "He/She is a fucking Leaf!" is an insult.

His callsign was "Hobbit".

Spoiler: Uncensored

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"I don't know where to begin. Not long ago we had buried my father, who died on the frontlines. And now seemingly they want to finish me off. I don't want to serve in the Ukrainian army. And they gave me a conscription slip. Signed by some V. Arapov. You aren't leaving me any choice here. I don't want to rot in a trench for Ukrainian government. I don't want to, do you understand? You aren't leaving me any choice. I'm not even 17. Why aren't you going to fight yourselves?"

Spoiler: NSFL

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RIP

>Callsign: Hobbit
And we wait until the inevitable cringy connection Ukraine twitter shills make between this and LOTR: "Bilbo Baggins made his last stand against le ebil Russian orks!!!"
Also poor kid, he's not even of legal fighting age and they still send him conscription notice. The fact that he also just had his father buried really show how righteous and just Ukrainian Army and government is: TO. THE. LAST. ONE.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

This is why "He/She is a fucking Leaf!" is an insult.

>Callsign: Hobbit
And we wait until the inevitable cringy connection Ukraine twitter shills make between this and LOTR: "Bilbo Baggins made his last stand against le ebil Russian orks!!!"
Also poor kid, he's not even of legal fighting age and they still send him conscription notice. The fact that he also just had his father buried really show how righteous and just Ukrainian Army and government is: TO. THE. LAST. ONE.

Oh look we have the answer to "Qui bono?" now, new Avengers char just dropped.

Edit; German journo is bemused there are people in Bakhmut waiting to be liberated by Russians.

They're just old. Right. Sure, that's very likely to be true, but I am also certain that's a condemnation of Ukraine's claim to the Donbass.

 

[borsabil]

The Russian's have fallen into a trap. It may appear as if Ukrainian forces have been slaughtered and Bakhmut is about to fall but it's actually the Russians who're trapped! 5D underwater chess.

This would be funny but by the looks of things Zelensky and his advisors are acting like they believe it. Fucking insanity.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

The Russian's have fallen into a trap. It may appear as if Ukrainian forces have been slaughtered and Bakhmut is about to fall but it's actually the Russians who're trapped! 5D underwater chess.

This would be funny but by the looks of things Zelensky and his advisors are acting like they believe it. Fucking insanity.

"Pizdec" lol


"zwastika"

Z

 

[CaptainAutism69]

The Russian's have fallen into a trap. It may appear as if Ukrainian forces have been slaughtered and Bakhmut is about to fall but it's actually the Russians who're trapped! 5D underwater chess.

This would be funny but by the looks of things Zelensky and his advisors are acting like they believe it. Fucking insanity.

Denys old boy, pick up a rifle and go do your duty. This coward is no better than Vince.

 

[870EVO]

Wagner filming a cleared Ukrainian trench position.

https://twitter.com/LogKa11/status/1632821457804746753

Oleksiy Arestovych, former adviser to Zelensky

https://twitter.com/MintPressNews/status/1632754312882401281

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

The Russian's have fallen into a trap. It may appear as if Ukrainian forces have been slaughtered and Bakhmut is about to fall but it's actually the Russians who're trapped! 5D underwater chess.

This would be funny but by the looks of things Zelensky and his advisors are acting like they believe it. Fucking insanity.

That, or the consequences of losing Bahkmut are still worse than feeding the meat grinder, even at this point.

Which is a purturbing thought.

 

[Fatniggo1488]

The Russian's have fallen into a trap. It may appear as if Ukrainian forces have been slaughtered and Bakhmut is about to fall but it's actually the Russians who're trapped! 5D underwater chess.

This would be funny but by the looks of things Zelensky and his advisors are acting like they believe it. Fucking insanity.

This is like watching Chris Chan give military analysis in more ways than one. He legit thinks Ukrainian forces in Siversk are going to pull a Sonichu and race to the south completely unopposed to complete what would be one of the most massive encirclements in history, this in spite of the fact that they'd have to pass through very heavily pro-Russian territories to do this, and in spite of the fact that Russia has massive reserve forces on standby right now. Also it amazes me that people forget that Russia does actually have an air force which they benched after they wiped out the Ukrainian air force. Even if this wasn't just some insane autismo-schizo cope, Russia would unbench that air force in response to this.

 

[Rubick]

Tanks aren't the major dictator of conflicts any longer because of them and the pairing of drone observation with artillery. They're not entirely obsolete but their role is extremely limited and little more than a cannon that can be rolled around to reduce structures. They're become more what the French envisioned them in the run up to WW2 than the classic Blitzkrieg style usage that most people ascribe to them. The idea of "tank" is not obsolete, its just the Main Battle Tank is, the future is Infantry Fighting Vehicles like the Bradley or BMP.

I have to disagree friend. Tanks still matter a lot, They still matter because they still able drive over anything but specialized anti-tank obstacles and the harshest terrain and resist or speed through all but the heaviest ambushes or fire. And have the fire power to take apart most obstacles while doing so. Simply, everything IFV's don't quite do on same level.

It's still is harder to stop tanks from getting wherever the fuck they want to go and fuck shit up than any other ground unit. When they are properly backed by mechanized infantry.


The current ATGM's don't change that. In fact people been saying ATGM will render tanks obsolete since the first gen ATGM's. That hasn´t happened yet. And I don´t think it will any time yet. And while top attack anti-tank missiles are a threat despite the sub par showing of Javelin in Ukraine.

We will see more and more tanks addressing this by having radar and IR absorbing paint and or cladding or netting based camouflage. (You know stuff like barracuda, Ghost, etc.)

Coverage or better coverage of the top turret and hull with non-explosive and non-energetic reactive armor and active protection system that will be able to target top attack ATGM and other projectiles. Both by soft or hard method. And we will likely see DIRCMS for armor also.

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As far as drone observation with artillery. Yes, valid point. Very valid point!



While back in the day tanks could drive through artillery fire with minimal losses. Unless it was a very dense artillery fire.

This days, drone observation along with guided rounds (whatever shells or rockets) especially, special anti-tank rounds, makes it a deadly combo against tanks, let alone other armor. Never mind against infantry. Truly the artillery retains it's title as the king of the battlefield because it still will fuck everything.

However, tactical mobility of artillery is still limited by logistics as you well know, more so then armor. To explain to other people here. Artillery has become very mobile post WWII especially in the tracked form.

Artillery logistic train however is in pretty much in all countries wheeled based. America was the only one that had artillery logistic train somewhat tracked based. On top of that artillery arm alone uses about half the logistics of a divisions logistic train.

So artillery will not always be a great anti-armor trump card on the battlefield in a lot of situations. And neither does artillery backed with drones substituted a tanks capability on the battlefield either.

And in regard to drones. I think modern electronic warfare. Backed by even more dense AA and SAM support at divisional, regimental and battalion level. Especially designed against UAV's. Will somewhat even stuff out.

Along with portable ATGM's becoming even more duel purpose, pretty much merging with MANPADS. To even heavy ATGM carrier. Like the planned Russian next gen Baykal NLOS multipurpose missile carrier. (Bottom Right) with single missile being anti-air and anti-tank and soft targets.

Then of course is the fact that armored vehicles,, etc, especially future planned ones. Will be getting more and more sensors added from active and passive, in radar and or optical form.

This coupled with programmable munition for them, regular and or guided, normal and air burst. Ranging from small caliber to 30mm or larger. Make them far more better at engaging air targets in the future.

Hell, I even expect self-propelled howitzer's having ability to engage air targets in the future.

On a side note

Russian actually did considered that for A-222 Bereg mobile coastal artillery modernization program. The suggested plan was to convert it to 152mm caliber and add AA mode. But that seem to have gone nowhere.

 

[WhiskeyJack]

I have to disagree friend. Tanks still matter a lot, They still matter because they still able drive over anything but specialized anti-tank obstacles and the harshest terrain and resist or speed through all but the heaviest ambushes or fire. And have the fire power to take apart most obstacles while doing so. Simply, everything IFV's don't quite do on same level.

It's still is harder to stop tanks from getting wherever the fuck they want to go and fuck shit up than any other ground unit. When they are properly backed by mechanized infantry.


The current ATGM's don't change that. In fact people been saying ATGM will render tanks obsolete since the first gen ATGM's. That hasn´t happened yet. And I don´t think it will any time yet. And while top attack anti-tank missiles are a threat despite the sub par showing of Javelin in Ukraine.

We will see more and more tanks addressing this by having radar and IR absorbing paint and or cladding or netting based camouflage. (You know stuff like barracuda, Ghost, etc.)

Coverage or better coverage of the top turret and hull with non-explosive and non-energetic reactive armor and active protection system that will be able to target top attack ATGM and other projectiles. Both by soft or hard method. And we will likely see DIRCMS for armor also.

​

As far as drone observation with artillery. Yes, valid point. Very valid point!



While back in the day tanks could drive through artillery fire with minimal losses. Unless it was a very dense artillery fire.

This days, drone observation along with guided rounds (whatever shells or rockets) especially, special anti-tank rounds, makes it a deadly combo against tanks, let alone other armor. Never mind against infantry. Truly the artillery retains it's title as the king of the battlefield because it still will fuck everything.

However, tactical mobility of artillery is still limited by logistics as you well know, more so then armor. To explain to other people here. Artillery has become very mobile post WWII especially in the tracked form.

Artillery logistic train however is in pretty much in all countries wheeled based. America was the only one that had artillery logistic train somewhat tracked based. On top of that artillery arm alone uses about half the logistics of a divisions logistic train.

So artillery will not always be a great anti-armor trump card on the battlefield in a lot of situations. And neither does artillery backed with drones substituted a tanks capability on the battlefield either.

And in regard to drones. I think modern electronic warfare. Backed by even more dense AA and SAM support at divisional, regimental and battalion level. Especially designed against UAV's. Will somewhat even stuff out.

Along with portable ATGM's becoming even more duel purpose, pretty much merging with MANPADS. To even heavy ATGM carrier. Like the planned Russian next gen Baykal NLOS multipurpose missile carrier. (Bottom Right) with single missile being anti-air and anti-tank and soft targets.

Then of course is the fact that armored vehicles,, etc, especially future planned ones. Will be getting more and more sensors added from active and passive, in radar and or optical form.

This coupled with programmable munition for them, regular and or guided, normal and air burst. Ranging from small caliber to 30mm or larger. Make them far more better at engaging air targets in the future.

Hell, I even expect self-propelled howitzer's having ability to engage air targets in the future.

On a side note

Russian actually did considered that for A-222 Bereg mobile coastal artillery modernization program. The suggested plan was to convert it to 152mm caliber and add AA mode. But that seem to have gone nowhere.

On the topic of mobile artillery logistical support, I actually think we’ll eventually see logistics handled by flying drones.

Imagine a flock of supply drones, able to cross territory faster than any wheeled vehicle and landing on a tank or artillery position, dumping fifty gallons of fuel or a dozen shells (or food, water, ammo, meds, etc.) then flying back to a forward depot.

That’s well within our current drone tech, so there’s nothing keeping it from being adopted eventually. It would be wasteful of fuel (for the drones themselves) compared to a flatbed supply truck, but the strategic advantages should easily make up for that.

Hell, in fifty years we could be bouncing masers off high altitude drones and down to hybrid vehicles, powering them continuously from a coastal nuclear powered vessel.

 

[Makhno]

HOW RUSSIA FAILED TO CAPTURE VUHLEDAR (Analysis)​

This guy is a retard's propagandist; he tries to pretend be non-biased to convince pretend intellectuals but you cannot do that when Ukraine wields the largest digital influence operation ever conducted on the planet and you take every single one of their sources at face value. As a result he ends up citing mostly heavily edited footage, literal Ukrainian NAFO infographics 15:04, and footage that isn't even from the right dates ex: 14:27 snow on ground 14:38 no snow. He also tries to add way more dramatic effect for clickbait and acts like a probing attack was some major frontline assault that failed. He is an utter homo hoping to hop on the current thing click train; his LARPy little OD green Zelensky shirt seals it for me. People like him should be publicly beaten for profiting off this war in the most homosexual way possible by passing their pathetic fake and gay takes off as factual wisdom. Get this gay shit in the other thread for Pro Piglet commentary please.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

This guy is a retard's propagandist; he tries to pretend be non-biased to convince pretend intellectuals but you cannot do that when Ukraine wields the largest digital influence operation ever conducted on the planet and you take every single one of their sources at face value. As a result he ends up citing mostly heavily edited footage, literal Ukrainian NAFO infographics 15:04, and footage that isn't even from the right dates ex: 14:27 snow on ground 14:38 no snow. He also tries to add way more dramatic effect for clickbait and acts like a probing attack was some major frontline assault that failed. He is an utter homo hoping to hop on the current thing click train; his LARPy little OD green Zelensky shirt seals it for me. People like him should be publicly beaten for profiting off this war in the most homosexual way possible by passing their pathetic fake and gay takes off as factual wisdom. Get this gay shit in the other thread for Pro Piglet commentary please.

And he's Pro-Russian when he points out the Hohol fuckups. you sound too invested. Calm down sugartits

 

[Makhno]

And he's Pro-Russian when he points out the Hohol fuckups. you sound too invested. Calm down sugartits

No, you don't get to tell gay lies for fucking clickbait uncontested. Moreover that gay pro piglet shit doesn't belong in this thread. He isn't Pro-Russian, he is a clickbait propagandist using mainly NAFO sources to support the NATO position in just about all his videos you clown. Just because this guy tones down the over the top lying that many of the rest of them do and pretends to be "objective" doesn't change what he is doing. He also only knows about combat from books and video games and it comically shows.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

Then of course is the fact that armored vehicles,, etc, especially future planned ones. Will be getting more and more sensors added from active and passive, in radar and or optical form.

This coupled with programmable munition for them, regular and or guided, normal and air burst. Ranging from small caliber to 30mm or larger. Make them far more better at engaging air targets in the future.

Nope, the direction that warfare is going favors middling quality and in high quantity. The era from the 1980s-2010s of extreme high performance, low run equipment has ended, the Predator/Reaper systems have been exposed as overly expensive boondoggles compared to these cheaply made consumer drones with grenades attached to them pioneered by ISIS, $500 dollar drones holding grenades with shuttle cock feathers attached to them, each Reaper costs 15m to produce and they're highly susceptible to SAM, Manpads and Fighters since they're so huge. The cheap Iranian, Russian, and Turkish suicide drones do not have these issues, in fact their radar signature is so small that fighters have more trouble getting lock on than they would an actual stealth fighter, not to mention the price differential is so huge that it cannot be hand waved away any longer. The Ukrainians have lost Mig-29s chasing these things all over because they can't get missile lock and have to use cannons to shoot them down, this Ukrainian pilot was so close that he got caught up in the debris field which smoked his plane and turned it into a debris field as well.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

No, you don't get to tell gay lies for fucking clickbait uncontested. Moreover that gay pro piglet shit doesn't belong in this thread. He isn't Pro-Russian, he is a clickbait propagandist using mainly NAFO sources to support the NATO position in just about all his videos you clown. Just because this guy tones down the over the top lying that many of the rest of them do and pretends to be "objective" doesn't change what he is doing. He also only knows about combat from books and video games and it comically shows.

you're right, totally using pro-Ukr sources in his Wagner movie review, and Wagne interviews, and when he's been taking the piss out of Hohol's with pro-ukr sources like Rybar.

 

[borsabil]

No, you don't get to tell gay lies for fucking clickbait uncontested. Moreover that gay pro piglet shit doesn't belong in this thread. He isn't Pro-Russian, he is a clickbait propagandist using mainly NAFO sources to support the NATO position in just about all his videos you clown. Just because this guy tones down the over the top lying that many of the rest of them do and pretends to be "objective" doesn't change what he is doing. He also only knows about combat from books and video games and it comically shows.

History Legends isn't pro-Ukrainian. He's probably not pro anything, he's a military history hobbyist and he's one of the very few Ukraine war youtubers who put's some effort into his videos (more than talking to camera and drawing arrows on a map at least).

His analysis of the Russian attack on Vuhledar is for sure full of clickbait but is pretty accurate, it was a shit show.

 

[Makhno]

History Legends isn't pro-Ukrainian. He's probably not pro anything, he's a military history hobbyist and he's one of the very few Ukraine war youtubers who put's some effort into his videos (more than talking to camera and drawing arrows on a map at least).

His analysis of the Russian attack on Vuhledar is for sure full of clickbait but is pretty accurate, it was a shit show.

If you don't think he is pro Ukrainian you're a fool. Also all the videos are propaganda clickbait that is about as accurate of coverage of warfare as any random retard with a Twitter account could give.

you're right, totally using pro-Ukr sources in his Wagner movie review, and Wagne interviews, and when he's been taking the piss out of Hohol's with pro-ukr sources like Rybar.

Oh wow you mean because he used footage of Russians that only Russians would have to post that means he is objective right. He covers Wagner because of its pure clickbait value and nothing else. Every video is over-dramatized clickbait with a Ukrainian slant. You can also just look at his gay little clickbait face images and tell that emotionally he supports Ukraine. Anything positive about Russia he does constipated anxious face, anything positive about Ukraine gaping soyjack face. It is so simplistically clear he is a pro Ukraine shill I question your IQ.