Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers Association (SFWA) - Nerds protecting nonces

I enjoy the zeerust of old-school Heinlein stories where atomic rocket engineers use manual levers to control the control rods in their reactors. Where people smoke everywhere, computers are big buildings fed by tape, and spacers are somewhere between submarine crews and oil rig workers with PhDs in terms of insanity.
You may like the George O. Smith stories - The Venus Equilateral. Old school engineers out on mechanical rockets solving problems, dating lovely ladies, and keeping a communications relay that keeps Mars, Earth, and Venus in touch.

 
'Zeerust' -- the weird tendency for sci-fi books to become dated and weird -- has always been interesting to me. There's some classic stories out there that still make me grin (I'm quite fond of 'Call Me Joe' with its exploration of the surface of Jupiter. Yes, you read that right).

The opening line to Neuromancer, the book that gave us "cyberspace" and more pretentious knockoffs in the eighties and nineties than I could possibly name, comes to mind.
Supposedly William Gibson finds that bit absolutely hilarious.
 
'Zeerust' -- the weird tendency for sci-fi books to become dated and weird -- has always been interesting to me. There's some classic stories out there that still make me grin (I'm quite fond of 'Call Me Joe' with its exploration of the surface of Jupiter. Yes, you read that right).


Supposedly William Gibson finds that bit absolutely hilarious.

People are not quite able to predict the future well. Zeerust comes about from the simple fact we tend to assume things that simply make no sense, like fashion not changing much or that technology will get better in the directions it is going but not realize we might find a new avenue for expansion.

It is particularly cool to see the ones where it is obviously outdated but at the same time still looking futuristic and somewhat on point. Cassette futurism for example still looks good even to normies who normally don't care, the sort of Art Deco stuff from Raygun Gothic is still appreciated in some places and so on. Some Zeerust ages like wine, some like milk. I guarantee if you gave people a choice between say a Laptop with a design inspired by cassete futurism and one from the early 2000's design queues of beige and weird overdone design with rounded corners (think default Windows Media Player skin for Windows XP, no idea what it was called) and such they would like the cassette one better.

People didn't realize Jupiter was literally all gas until quite late. A lot of stories assumed it was just like Earth and Mars but really big so the atmosphere ended up being strong enough to hold hydrogen and helium, causing a very VERY thick layer of it to exist. I remember a story, I think from Asimov actually, about some sentient robotic probes sent down to Jupiter to talk with the inhabitants and try and establish contact. Another from a 1940's pulp magazine where some writers were spitballing and the artist shows a guy hunched on a tiny tractor tankette looking ass vehicle to wander the plains of Jupiter and talk to the locals. Pretty fun.

The reason Gibson suposedly finds the quote to be now hilarious along with everyone else is that he accidentally future proofed it into showing how much of a computer dork the main character is. In the 1980's that quote would bring about the image of gray overcast skies. But with digital TV signals the default tends to be bright blue. Meaning the nerd is seeing a perfectly nice day and all he think about is a screen.
 
The United States is weirdly colorist in the regard that you're considered non-white if you have even as much of a grandparent who was half-black/asian/middle eastern/etc. It's retarded. I've seen Delaney irl and he's as white as George R.R Martin.

What is really troubling is how they are trying to imprint that mentality on Europe and the rest of the world.
 
People are not quite able to predict the future well. Zeerust comes about from the simple fact we tend to assume things that simply make no sense, like fashion not changing much or that technology will get better in the directions it is going but not realize we might find a new avenue for expansion.

It is particularly cool to see the ones where it is obviously outdated but at the same time still looking futuristic and somewhat on point. Cassette futurism for example still looks good even to normies who normally don't care, the sort of Art Deco stuff from Raygun Gothic is still appreciated in some places and so on. Some Zeerust ages like wine, some like milk. I guarantee if you gave people a choice between say a Laptop with a design inspired by cassete futurism and one from the early 2000's design queues of beige and weird overdone design with rounded corners (think default Windows Media Player skin for Windows XP, no idea what it was called) and such they would like the cassette one better.

People didn't realize Jupiter was literally all gas until quite late. A lot of stories assumed it was just like Earth and Mars but really big so the atmosphere ended up being strong enough to hold hydrogen and helium, causing a very VERY thick layer of it to exist. I remember a story, I think from Asimov actually, about some sentient robotic probes sent down to Jupiter to talk with the inhabitants and try and establish contact. Another from a 1940's pulp magazine where some writers were spitballing and the artist shows a guy hunched on a tiny tractor tankette looking ass vehicle to wander the plains of Jupiter and talk to the locals. Pretty fun.

The reason Gibson suposedly finds the quote to be now hilarious along with everyone else is that he accidentally future proofed it into showing how much of a computer dork the main character is. In the 1980's that quote would bring about the image of gray overcast skies. But with digital TV signals the default tends to be bright blue. Meaning the nerd is seeing a perfectly nice day and all he think about is a screen.
Cassette Futurism is probably my favourite aesthetic and flavour of zeerust. Dunno why it appeals to me so much, but lemme tell you, when Alien: Isolation went all out on the original aesthetic, I almost passed out from the size of my erection.
 
Cassette Futurism is probably my favourite aesthetic and flavour of zeerust. Dunno why it appeals to me so much, but lemme tell you, when Alien: Isolation went all out on the original aesthetic, I almost passed out from the size of my erection.
I was absolutely elated when I saw that Isolation’s aesthetic was going to be. I was raised on VHS tapes, CRT tv’s, and listening to broken cassette tapes in my mum’s old-ass chevy. The aesthetic makes me feel rather cozy, even if it’s in a game where everyone is fucking dead and there’s an 8” alien killing machine coming after my ass.
 
I was absolutely elated when I saw that Isolation’s aesthetic was going to be. I was raised on VHS tapes, CRT tv’s, and listening to broken cassette tapes in my mum’s old-ass chevy. The aesthetic makes me feel rather cozy, even if it’s in a game where everyone is fucking dead and there’s an 8” alien killing machine coming after my ass.
God yes.
I'd like a mod where you can just walk around the station in peace just to enjoy the art direction.
 
Can I guess it's because you're an oldfag like me who grew up with computers that ran on cassettes?
Not quite, our first computer was a 386, but I did grow up mostly with SciFi a bit older than me. And often with that dated look to it. The used-future look of Star Wars, the Star Trek movies, stuff like Dark Star, Space Odysee, Blade Runner... I mean, it was futuristic, but in the early and mid 90s you could already tell that things were developing differently. That kinda made it more futuristic, in a way. Things in those movies didn't look like slightly more advanced versions of things you had at home, they were different. Because it was the future, and it being the future how the past imagined made it just more strange and appealing to me.
Speaking of the Star Trek movies, I remember how gorgeous the Enterprise A sets were. The bridge with all those CRTs and the cool blues and greens... Nothing against the original TOS bridge or the Enterprise D bridge, but the Enterprise A and Excelsior bridge designs are kinda my favourite.
 
Part 2 of Obscura's exposé on SFWA has dropped. This time Justin is laser-focusing on Samuel Delany.

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Yeah I didn't listen to the first one. Good so far but this fag needs to not be using his video game briefing voice for it.

And also he needs to not be buttering the pedo's knob constantly. "I'm noooot saying he's a bad writer" fuck off it doesn't matter, and you'll be pegged as 'alt right' for this no matter what you say, welcome to the culture wars.

Edit: Maybe dude felt he needed to say it so the leftists (his friends supposedly) wouldn't handwave it away as him being angry over his trauma. Noped out because I don't need to hear segments from Hogg again.

One of the quotes explores something I hate. The "Arbitrary line of 18". No shit it's arbitrary. It's because laws that get into nuance and context don't work. They might be able to get some examples of kids just under the line who 'weren't hurt by it' and on the other hand there's plenty older than the line who for sure weren't ready for sex. (There's dozens of cases documented on this website even.) So 'just keep off it until legal adulthood, that's about right' is what we gotta do.
 
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Looks like there's already controversy over this year's Nebula Awards - and it offers proof how SFWA puts thier thumbs on the scales when they can.

Much to my shock, a book from Baen Books actually topped the Nebula Award votes for Best Novel.
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SFWA ignored the vote, and gave the nominations for Best Novel to the second and third place votes, and three Tor novels that didn't even make the ballot.

Guess they didn't count on one of the editors at Baen to keep receipts.
 
Looks like there's already controversy over this year's Nebula Awards - and it offers proof how SFWA puts thier thumbs on the scales when they can.

Much to my shock, a book from Baen Books actually topped the Nebula Award votes for Best Novel.
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SFWA ignored the vote, and gave the nominations for Best Novel to the second and third place votes, and three Tor novels that didn't even make the ballot.

Guess they didn't count on one of the editors at Baen to keep receipts.
If you thought that they weren't scummy enough, they do shit like this.
 
I do sorta respect Ellison's OLD MAN YELLS AT CLOUD styles, but if you stepped to him irl he wouldn't bring the thunder
once up on a time at Convention it was me and my droogs, older one who was more knowledgeable about things like visually id-ing authors is over in Adjacent Room, we're in Dealer's Room
couple of them hooting and hollering over there, me and others over here
they come back towards me and are all "XYZpdq, some old guy was a jerk at us because we were loud in the dealer's room, go be a loud asshole at him"
I fire up the Rocky Horror engines and start in that way WHAT THE FUCK SOME OLD FUCKING ASSHOLE RETARD HAS A DAMN PROBLEM WITH MY FRIENDS BEING LOUD IF THE FUCKING DEALERS ROOM SHIT BLAH BLAH BLAH
I see old guy fleeing in a huff as I approach
a few minutes later Older One catches up with us and asks "what happened, I just saw Harlan Ellison stomping off into the other room all pissed off?"

Ellison was a craven, he could dish it out but couldn't take it.
 
Guess they didn't count on one of the editors at Baen to keep receipts.
I'm surprised anybody at Baen is allowed within a mile of the Nebulas. The Nebulas have always been kind of an SFWA circle jerk, and that has only amped up over the past decade.
Is anyone talking about it? I can't find anything.
When was the last time anybody talked about about the self-indulgent self-fart huffing award show known as the Nebulas in the first place? Only thing I recall in the last decade was when people made fun of the short story winner If You Were a Dinosaur, My Love. Which reads like something posted to Tumblr during that era more than it does anything else.

Edit: Just realized only one of the nominees for Best Novel is even close to being Science Fiction in the first place. And even that isn't set in space/using hard science as its main plot. Something about hyperintelligent ocopuses(?)/ocotpi(?) plotting world domination. (Sounds kinda cool, if a tad silly. Might actually check it out.) Description honestly reads like a Michael Crichton Thriller more than anything else. The nominee list is pretty wild in and of itself as to subject matter, never mind politics is I guess my surprise here.

Novel

Legends & Lattes, Travis Baldree (Cryptid; Tor)

Spear, Nicola Griffith (Tordotcom)

Nettle and Bone, T. Kingfisher (Tor; Titan UK)

Babel, R.F. Kuang (Harper Voyager US; Harper Voyager UK)

Nona the Ninth, Tamsyn Muir (Tordotcom)

The Mountain in the Sea, Ray Nayler (MCD; Weidenfeld & Nicolson)
 
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