Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Prester John]

 

[Bungus Scrungus]

So, what's the situation with Russian firearms? They seemed pretty secretive of their weapons for the past couple decades. Is it because they're actually good, or was it smoke and mirrors?

 

[Goofy Logic]

TNT is just nitroglycerin in diatomaceous earth which makes it stable enough for transport.

Spoiler: TNT sperg

Diatomaceous earth is made of the 'skeletons' of single-celled ocean organisms called diatoms. This shit is super cool. You can use diatomaceous earth to kill ants because the diatom skeletons are so sharp, when ants step on them they cut open their exoskeletons and die because insects don't scab. They also put it in toothpaste because the sharp micro-silicates scrape off tartar. Anyway.
The skeletons are hollow once the cell inside has dies. So they fill up with nitroglycerin and act as little capsules that keep the nitroglycerin from large-scale reaction. This has its limits - if you whack a stick of old-school TNT with a sledgehammer, its liable to explode. But you can now actually transport the shit via wagon. And eventually the nitroglycerin will 'weep' out of the diatoms, especially if allowed to get warm. If you've need around people who work with explosives they'll talk about old dynamite that is leaking/'weeping'/'bleeding'/'wet' and how dangerous it is.

This wasn't exactly a new innovation - they'd been using sawdust for the same purpose before TNT was invented - the plant cells acting like the diatoms - but because tree cells are cellulose, they 'flex'. Sawdust also 'weeped' more regularly and often absorbed incompletely.

Poor Alfred Nobel, he just wanted to help miners.

Spoiler: More explosives sperging

One little error there - TNT is not dynamite; that misnomer came from cartoons because TNT is a much shorter word to put on the sticks. The proper definition of dynamite is nitroglycerin soaked into diatomaceous earth. Sawdust and wood pulp is used to make Gelignite which is used as an alternative to dynamite, but it is not as powerful and has a shorter shelf life as noted.

TNT was discovered in 1863, but its explosive properties weren't actually discovered until 30 years later (it was so much less shock sensitive to the point it was first assumed to be inert and used as a dye). Soon after its explosive discovery which meant it was far safer to handle, European militaries started using it in artillery shells.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

If Ukraine is smart though they will work on their own MIC after the war. It's not like they lack for trained engineers. Some of their domestic shit was really good stuff, they just didn't have time to really get production going before the war started.

I can see them becoming the new S. Africa (or Israel), in terms of a robust domestic arms industry + heavy foreign investment & government incentives; and it'll probably be pretty cheap to build new assembly lines in Ukraine once the war is done, especially in the places that have essentially been levelled (once the UXOs are mitigated).

Rebuilding the workforce will probably be more difficult than rebuilding factories, and there's also going to be a lot of Ukrainans poached for consulting by Western defense industries; but that experience isn't going to be cheap; one way or another.

It also hurt that Kharkiv was the center of Ukraines domestic arms industry. Going foreword, having the factory that makes your tanks probably shouldn't be put 50 Kilometers from the border of the country you expect to use them on.

Though the large plants have been shut down, damaged, or operate with shortages, overall production of their domestic arms & armor has exceeded rates from before the war. Plus they've done an excellent job of dispersing key manufacturing & can still run their rail lines, so having things spread out isn't much of a hinderance.

It's almost like they asked themselves "what would Speer do" with the funding & supply/logistics of the Allies behind them.

Edit: I wouldn't be surprised to see drone-manufacturing becoming widespread in Ukraine; even a small shop with only a half-dozen people in a half-blasted village can build a shitload of drones (as long as they can get the parts). The demand for drones & those who can build them is definitely booming worldwide.

 

[LeChampion1992]

Something like 3/4 of Georgians want to join the EU... the EU is gonna say no with a government that wants to suck Putin's chimp dick

It's pure cognitive dissonance on muh weapons oversight. On the one hand Russia is fighting NATO mercenaries and hohols with NATO weapons, that's why Ukraine hasn't lost yet (TWO MORE WEEKS), but also all the NATO weapons are being sold on the black market by thieving hohols, and also Russia has destroyed most of the NATO weapons in combat

Can't have it all three ways vatniggers

Shhhh don't use logic on these vatniks because then they might realize they've been lied too about other shit too.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Shhhh don't use logic on these vatniks because then they might realize they've been lied too about other shit too.

You can't rationally argue someone out of a position they didn't arrive at by reasoning.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Close-quarters combat conversation between a Ukrainian & Russian:

RU: "Brother, I at least came here to make things right"
UA: (unintelligible) "So you came to my house to make things right? You came to my house, where there are my rules, to tell me how to live? I'm in my home, not in yours, not in your kitchen, room, I'm not telling you where to shit and throw the trash, You're trying to tell me how to eat, how to shit. I'm at home, you're not."
RU: "Yeah, I understand where you're coming from, but if the people (unintelligible, explosion) in the neighboring cities..."
UA: "Fucking think about it, you're living in an apartment block, go to your neighbor, beat him up saying "You're eating wrong, bitch. And your fucking kitchen is now mine. Just because you're eating wrong". Is that fucking normal?"
RU: "Well, i can kinda understand you see it..."
UA: "Well that's how I see it all. You fucking came to us to make things right your way"
RU: (unintelligible) "Shut your fucking face up. What would you do yourself in our place?"
UA: "Don't worry, we can beat up those that need it, we don't shy away from it." RU: "(unintelligible)"
UA: "And would've done the same to Yanukovich, but the fucker escaped"

Edit: Part 2

 

[namai337]

I can see them becoming the new S. Africa (or Israel), in terms of a robust domestic arms industry + heavy foreign investment & government incentives; and it'll probably be pretty cheap to build new assembly lines in Ukraine once the war is done, especially in the places that have essentially been levelled (once the UXOs are mitigated).

Yhe after the war I fully expect Ukraine MIC to replace russian one with their stuff on the market due the performance of BTR-4 was good on the field plus with the news that Rheinmetal wants to build a factory there with Bayrak drone facotry already in the works.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

It seems like I really was right; with the help of Polish & German civilian maritime assets & USN surveillance/intelligence, a Ukrainian team cut the Nordstream pipelines.

That, or the Russians used Ukrainian & European defectors/collaborators to ostensibly pin blame & responsibility on NATO. Because it sure as hell wasn't doing them any good otherwise.

The six persons have used fake passports and their nationalities are unknown. The yacht sailed from the German city of Rostock on September 6, report ARD and Zeit.

Traces of explosives have been found aboard the yacht.

Media reports that intelligence could point to a pro-Ukrainian group.

That piece of information aligns with a recent article from US daily The New York Times on Tuesday. Here anonymous US officials confirm having seen intel suggesting a pro-Ukrainian group is behind the operation.

On Wednesday, German Minister of Defence Boris Pistorius says that the blown-up pipelines could be a so-called false flag operation, staged to put the blame on Ukraine, writes news agency Reuters.

 

[teriyakiburns]

It seems like I really was right; with the help of Polish & German civilian maritime assets & USN surveillance/intelligence, a Ukrainian team cut the Nordstream pipelines.

Anonymous officials, could, possibly, maybe. All that's known is that it was a bunch of unidentified foreigners. It blows Hersh's narrative out if the water, by directly contradicting several of his claims, but doesn't illuminate anything beyond that.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Anonymous officials, could, possibly, maybe. All that's known is that it was a bunch of unidentified foreigners. It blows Hersh's narrative out if the water, by directly contradicting several of his claims, but doesn't illuminate anything beyond that.

And irrelevant anyway. Nordstream was a failed goodwill project between western Europe and Russia. It needed to be cut, but for political reasons nobody could do it overtly. The plebes would not appreicate their energy prices going up because of shenanigans. So long as there is plausible deniability everyone wins. I would be shocked if Germany itself was not in on it too.

This is the one thing Russia overlooked about the western democracies. While they are beholden to their idiot voters to some extent, when they need too do it they are just as good as the FSB in gaslighting their idiot citizens.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

I can see them becoming the new S. Africa (or Israel), in terms of a robust domestic arms industry + heavy foreign investment & government incentives; and it'll probably be pretty cheap to build new assembly lines in Ukraine once the war is done, especially in the places that have essentially been levelled (once the UXOs are mitigated).

Rheinmetall already stated that they will invest in Ukraine after war- new tank production.

That, or the Russians used Ukrainian & European defectors/collaborators to ostensibly pin blame & responsibility on NATO. Because it sure as hell wasn't doing them any good otherwise.

Smashing down a undersea pipeline like NS I/II is much easier than smashin down pipelines lockated in land - Gazprom was cheap and NS's mostly are lockated on surface of seabed, not under the seabed.

 

[MG-34]

So, what's the situation with Russian firearms? They seemed pretty secretive of their weapons for the past couple decades. Is it because they're actually good, or was it smoke and mirrors?

Anything built after the USSR is trash it seems. The AK-12 has tons of QC issues and optics tend to be rare even among VDV. Turns out all those interesting Russian made optics you see if video games are non military issue commercial products some career soldiers purchase for their weapons but are not issued in significant numbers. Ukranians seem to prefer the American Mk-19 over the Russian AGS family of grenade machineguns, which says a lot as anyone in the US military that touched the thing knows it has a lot of issues such as it being a maintenance nightmare.

 

[namai337]

So another russian chimpout because *checks notes* Georgian protests and maybe for Feb. 24 but 3 substations got hit with apparently Kh-22 Kinzal (hypersonic).

 

[teriyakiburns]

Ukraine war: Russian air strikes cut power at Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant

The electrical power supply at Europe's largest nuclear power plant is lost after Russia launches missiles.

www.bbc.co.uk

https://archive.is/wip/pvH2I

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[namai337]

Anything built after the USSR is trash it seems. The AK-12 has tons of QC issues and optics tend to be rare even among VDV. Turns out all those interesting Russian made optics you see if video games are non military issue commercial products some career soldiers purchase for their weapons but are not issued in significant numbers. Ukranians seem to prefer the American Mk-19 over the Russian AGS family of grenade machineguns, which says a lot as anyone in the US military that touched the thing knows it has a lot of issues such as it being a maintenance nightmare.

Also to add the whole ratnik program was a huge failure with ak-12 having problems such as the fire selector blocking the trigger section making the rifle inoperable and ofc the flimsy dust cover rails and front receiver being made out of cheep plastic that cant properly hold zero for the optic and a laser like a pres-t or for Americans PEQ-15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cJbOAVDQxQ

hence why Kalashnikov concern is trying to make an AK-12M1 fast here a photo of prototype of it:

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Vodka niggers.

 

[DumbDude43]

So, what's the situation with Russian firearms? They seemed pretty secretive of their weapons for the past couple decades. Is it because they're actually good, or was it smoke and mirrors?

their older rifles (AKM, AK74) are solid guns overall, and they have gorillions of them available.
their newest AK iterations (AK12 and AK15) have a very bad reputation, apparently they are unreliable and break super easily.

 

[Techpriest Mk II]

AK-12 production was done on the cheap with shoddy materials for the first run - the prototype proof of concept rifles were pretty good by all accounts but they skimped on quality control heavily to meet the procurement deadline. The result? A rifle that's mostly a trophy used with iron sights, and most prefer an AK-74M over it if possible.

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

their older rifles (AKM, AK74) are solid guns overall, and they have gorillions of them available.
their newest AK iterations (AK12 and AK15) have a very bad reputation, apparently they are unreliable and break super easily.

What's funny to me is that even though it's supposed to be modern, the ak-12 is basically a modernized ak-74m. If they wanted a "superweapon" they had the aek-971 from the soviet times, which had, among other things, a system to balance out recoil, and they were apparently considering it as part of ratnik, but ultimately... rejected it for everyone but special forces?