Argue about women or something

[870EVO]

Yes, am aware that women do bad shit too but guess what? Nothing gets fixed if we keep pretending that shit isn't a fucking problem.

Nothing ever will get "fixed." This is Humans we are talking about. Men will always be Men, Women will always be Women. We've been able to build a decently high trust society with laws, and rights, and put criminals in jail. Although due to policies implemented in the few last decades, that seems to be sliding backwards right now.

I don't really know what you are complaining about. Life isn't fair? No shit. But some people throughout history have tried very hard over hundreds of years to make it as fair as can possibly be.

 

[God of Nothing]

Women largely being incapable of taking accountability means the problems they induce or suffer from will persist so long as they are regarded or regard themselves equal to men. You cannot stand on equal footing with someone who denies accountability because that is indirectly saying they can't. Dysfunction between men and women is so prevalent because women claim to be of the same standing as men yet fall back to the societal pedestal of being victims/women when faced with adversity or told to take accountability. I've seen it with the women in my family, in media, and in public. Even in situations where a man is not responsible or involved at all, he is expected to assist and listen to a woman while a man is lambasted for daring to even think of putting a woman in the same position. This is not equality.

Men are expected to service women for nothing in return and most of them are okay with it, so it's all going to shit.

 

[Ms. Bitters]

I don't really know what you are complaining about. Life isn't fair? No shit. But some people throughout history have tried very hard over hundreds of years to make it as fair as can possibly be.

But its not. Not only do men run around committing the majority of violence, largely responsible for the shitshow-dumpster-fire shape that our planet earth is in today due to their overwhelming power in the corporate/business and political spheres, and mostly responsible for drafting the retarded laws that we all follow today, but they have the absolute audacity to say any of the loonacy that's been spewed in this thread.

Men are the cause of most of the world's problems. I just want them to fucking admit it.

Eta: Just give me the fucking tophat.

 

[870EVO]

Men are the cause of most of the world's problems. I just want them to fucking admit it.

They already do.

 

[Ms. Bitters]

They already do.

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Its a fucking start.

 

[870EVO]

Its a fucking start.

And it will never be enough.

 

[Fount of BadSpeak]

Every boy who beats a girl, every creep who follows them home throwing out lewd remarks, every husband who cheats, every man who tries to control them, all it does is just drive women into feminism's loving arms as a safe escape.

Do you provide a safe escape yourself? Some men do, they get the romance. But do you? No, you just try to block it off. Real red flag there. No it just drives people further and further into a better escape because once again, all the boys manage to do us bash something, control something. It's not propaganda, it's not media, it's you. You, proving once again that men aren't an escape, they just control and bash and hurt. And for what? It isn't because you love x chick, no, you just love the image of marriage yourselves

Go to the alter then, and go marry yourselves then. Some of us are having a loving safe relationship with single hood. Until you stop trying bash things, go back to coping on your own

And yeah, there are evil women who hurt men. By all means, let the hurt men escape them too.

Yes, as I said, there are some retards too stupid to understand how society functions and why. You are a prime example; spewing feminist rhetoric verbatim, and desperately trying to defend women by hiding behind their inherent inferiority, despite also being the first to cry to the heavens about how they are my equal in all ways, if not better in some.

I'd have far more respect for your kind if you actually treated women like equals, but then you wouldn't be able to use their inferiority as a shield when convenient, would you? This is why I view you all as the inferiors you insist you are, and ignore the squealing bleats about equality for the delusions of a spoiled child that they are.

 

[Zyklon Ben's Poison Pen]

But its not. Not only do men run around committing the majority of violence, largely responsible for the shitshow-dumpster-fire shape that our planet earth is in today due to their overwhelming power in the corporate/business and political spheres, and mostly responsible for drafting the retarded laws that we all follow today, but they have the absolute audacity to say any of the loonacy that's been spewed in this thread.

Men are the cause of most of the world's problems. I just want them to fucking admit it.

Eta: Just give me the fucking tophat.

Your logic only works if you think that woman have nothing to say or to do with the shape of politics & history and are literal children.
If women are literal children then why should anyone listen to them?

 

[870EVO]

I'd have far more respect for your kind if you actually treated women like equals, but then you wouldn't be able to use their inferiority as a shield when convenient, would you? This is why I view you all as the inferiors you insist you are, and ignore the squealing bleats about equality for the delusions of a spoiled child that they are.

You can see from her responses.

Men are the cause of most of the world's problems. I just want them to fucking admit it.

Its a fucking start.

So she just wanted Men to admit something. When they did, the goalposts moved. Why? Because she believes in identitarianism. Men are an identity group. Women are an identity group. The Male identity group is responsible for all ills of Men from the beginning til the end of time. The Male identity group is the oppressor. The Female identity group is the oppressed. Men can never atone. Because this is the permanent state of this philosophy. Oppressor upon Oppressed.

It doesn't matter if you are an individual to them. You are part of the identity group.

The reason why this philosophy is so effective is because it plays into biology. Men who want to Protect Women and/or Get Sex and Women who want to absolve themselves of responsiblity.

 

[redcent]

Yeh I think I can diagnose your problem.

Also:

You aren't a kid anymore, its time to grow up and move on.

Oh, so it's okay when it happens to a kid huh? Great father material.


There's no moving on. At least bashings, creeping, the cheating or control is understandable to be upset about. What bullshit do the creeps on here never get over? Some chick who said no to them for the prom? Some chick getting a job instead of you? Some dude who's mom divorced dad because she had free will? Some other political party winning an election that your buttmad about? You not getting your sahm waifu? Tell yourself and all of them to move on.

What else do you want me to move on from? the fact the people here are degenerate creeps? The fact you try to pull some manipulation text wall to feel like you should control someone else's life? You just want me to turn a blind eye to the fact you're all sick

No, I'm not moving on, not when it's clear that shit like that is what snowballs into the insanity that goes on later, both for me and the boys who did it, who grew up to creep on some poor school girl when he was 30, to go around exposing himself to her. No, no more moving on

 

[Grub]

ITT: incels vs femcels

 

[Meth Until Death]

I dunno, the older I get the more I realise that men and women are growing up wrong and the blame game sucks. Everyone's unhappy with relationship protentional and can't see that the other side has the same worries and fears.

ITT: incels vs femcels

It's kinda funny in a really bitter all-you-can-do-is-laugh kinda way

 

[Zyklon Ben's Poison Pen]

Oh, so it's okay when it happens to a kid huh? Great father material.

I'm not your dad, without powerlevelling too hard all I will say is, I did interfere. And the problem was with the "indigenous population"

There's no moving on. At least bashings, creeping, the cheating or control is understandable to be upset about. What bullshit do the creeps on here never get over? Some chick who said no to them for the prom? Some chick getting a job instead of you? Some dude who's mom divorced dad because she had free will? Some other political party winning an election that your buttmad about? You not getting your sahm waifu? Tell yourself and all of them to move on.

What else do you want me to move on from? the fact the people here are degenerate creeps? The fact you try to pull some manipulation text wall to feel like you should control someone else's life? You just want me to turn a blind eye to the fact you're all sick

I never said anything along these lines, this is just strawmanning.

 

[Ms. Bitters]

You can see from her responses.




So she just wanted Men to admit something. When they did, the goalposts moved. Why? Because she believes in identitarianism. Men are an identity group. Women are an identity group. The Male identity group is responsible for all ills of Men from the beginning til the end of time. The Male identity group is the oppressor. The Female identity group is the oppressed. Men can never atone. Because this is the permanent state of this philosophy. Oppressor upon Oppressed.

It doesn't matter if you are an individual to them. You are part of the identity group.

The reason why this philosophy is so effective is because it plays into biology. Men who want to Protect Women and/or Get Sex and Women who want to absolve themselves of responsiblity.

How about this? I like men. I don't like you. I think you and dickless fucks like you should grovel at my fucking feet. Not all men, for sure. But surely, men like you.

Your logic only works if you think that woman have nothing to say or to do with the shape of politics & history and are literal children.
If women are literal children then why should anyone listen to them?

Once again, I know men like you don't like to admit it, but women have actually been physically, financially, and politically oppressed by men for the majority of history. It's not like men opened the door to women and just let us work or vote or have a say in politics. We had to fight tooth and nail to get out from under your collective fucking thumbs, to change the laws so men couldn't do shit like legally rape his wife. I'm so sorry women had to spend so much time and energy raising the children but let's be honest--we rape children a lot less then you guys do.

 

[Zyklon Ben's Poison Pen]

Once again, I know men like you don't like to admit it, but women have actually been physically, financially, and politically oppressed by men for the majority of history. It's not like men opened the door to women and just let us work or vote or have a say in politics. We had to fight tooth and nail to get out from under your collective fucking thumbs, to change the laws so men couldn't do shit like legally rape his wife. I'm so sorry women had to spend so much time and energy raising the children but let's be honest--we rape children a lot less then you guys do.

oh yeh and you refuse to admit men have physically, financially, and politically oppressed by elites in power. And also used as cannon fodder, tortured, killed and worked to death.
How many women died for Feminism? None.
How many men died for human rights? We will never know.
Women have complaints, Men have the pile of corpses.

And it now "OMG men in power is their fault!!!" Is power gendered? If it is then why do woman matter? Is power a force unto itself? Have you heard act from the throne, the throne acts on you? There's a book called Rules for Rulers, then try and figure out how a woman would use better, spoiler: they can't.

 

[870EVO]

Once again, I know men like you don't like to admit it, but women have actually been physically, financially, and politically oppressed by men for the majority of history. It's not like men opened the door to women and just let us work or vote or have a say in politics. We had to fight tooth and nail to get out from under your collective fucking thumbs, to change the laws so men couldn't do shit like legally rape his wife. I'm so sorry women had to spend so much time and energy raising the children but let's be honest--we rape children a lot less then you guys do.

You say Women had no power, but they always had power. Just not Masculine Power. You probably believe Women have little power right now. When in fact the reverse is more likely.

 

[Ms. Bitters]

oh yeh and you refuse to admit men have physically, financially, and politically oppressed by elites in power.

You mean other men?
Man v man and man wins?!?! Absolutely shocking.

And also used as cannon fodder, tortured, killed and worked to death.

**by other men, in wars started by men.

How many women died for Feminism? None.

End the violence: the women's rights defenders killed in 2015 | Liz Ford and Nana Darkoa Sekyiamah

To mark International Day of Women Human Rights Defenders, we remember some of the female activists who have been killed over the past year

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Here's 9 from 2015. Also, remember when Malala got shot in the fucking face for trying to go to school? I do.

How many men died for human rights? We will never know.

Why are you pretending that women activists dont exist? Are you really this ignorant?

Women have complaints, Men have the pile of corpses.

*men and women have a pile of corpses made largely by men.

And it now "OMG men in power is their fault!!!" Is power gendered? If it is then why do woman matter? Is power a force unto itself? Have you heard act from the throne, the throne acts on you? There's a book called Rules for Rulers, then try and figure out how a woman would use better, spoiler: they can't.

I know this is ad hominem but you're such a stupid prick. I'm...done. Autistic Thunderdome has beaten me.

 

[GunCar Gary]

But its not. Not only do men run around committing the majority of violence, largely responsible for the shitshow-dumpster-fire shape that our planet earth is in today due to their overwhelming power in the corporate/business and political spheres, and mostly responsible for drafting the retarded laws that we all follow today, but they have the absolute audacity to say any of the loonacy that's been spewed in this thread.

Men are the cause of most of the world's problems. I just want them to fucking admit it.

Eta: Just give me the fucking tophat.

men being the cause of all your problems is just as a deadbrained take as incels complaining women are the cause of all their problems

just like men by themselves will self-destruct from violence and squalor (see the wild west and inner city gangs), women by themselves will self-destruct from hysteria and self-imagined problems (see all of social media and pseudoseizures)

the healthiest groups of people have both men and women working together to prevent each other from going crazy

 

[Ms. Bitters]

the healthiest groups of people have both men and women working together to prevent each other from going crazy

Why am I the one getting this lecture, and not the men in this thread calling women useless children?

 

[GunCar Gary]

Why am I the one getting this lecture, and not the men in this thread calling women useless children?

because while you think it’s some kind of brave grandstanding to declare “men and capitalism are the cause of all my problems”, that idea is just as a retarded viewpoint as “women are weak children, lol”

the difference is the men being assholes are obviously being edgelord trolls to get a rise out of people and you seem to think your idea is a legit argument (i could be wrong, are you actually the ultimate troll?)

if i asked ChatGPT to create an argument between Current Thing™ Obsessed Woman and Incel Loser Man it would recreate this thread