Microsoft is fucking butthurt no one wants Windows 11 so they're stopping the sale of Windows 10 licenses this month

[Matt Damon]

@Matt Damon When's the last time someone in this thread actually acknowledged that you and many others aren't "Joe Normie" and have special yet not outlandish use-cases where until Linux is actually compatible with it, it doesn't matter if FOSS devs would be happy to have you running their stuff or not? Never?

The popular sentiment seems to be that only Windows users who do absolutely everything in a web browser and 1337 Linuxfags who don't even use a GUI count as "real-world users" and everyone else is a crazy, wacky, intractable edge case.

 

[ditto]

"On a scale or 1-10, how computer retarded are they?" any score above a 6 automatically got the response of "A Mac".

Maybe I'm super computer retarded, but I find Macs much harder to use than Windows. The weird multi-column Finder, the way applications still run without any windows, search never working quite right. Windows feels a lot less tricky and more basic by comparison.

The best part of Mac is installing and uninstalling programs. Dragging to the Apps folder to install and into the Trash to remove. Genius! Why hasn't Linux or Windows stolen this?

EDIT: the worst part of macos is the weird mouse acceleration when using non-Apple mice or trackpads. It always feels too fast or slow.

 

[Matt Damon]

search never working quite right.

Windows search has been terrible AND slow as hell since 7. I've copy/pasted the name of a file into the search bar and pointed it right at the containing folder and it still won't find it.

It's the damnedest thing. What exactly was wrong with search in XP?

 

[The Ugly One]

The popular sentiment seems to be that only Windows users who do absolutely everything in a web browser and 1337 Linuxfags who don't even use a GUI count as "real-world users" and everyone else is a crazy, wacky, intractable edge case.

Linux is the perfect choice for a normal Windows user, which is somebody who demands so little of their computer that they never use anything except a web browser, but is also interested enough in computers that having to learn what "xrandr --newmode "2560x1440P" 312.25 2560 2752 3024 3488 1440 1443 1448 1493 -hsync" means to change the text size sounds fun and interesting.

 

[King Of The Kiwis]

Hey guys I’m thinking about updating to windows 11. But I want to know what are the downsides first.

 

[The Tall Man]

I am as much a Steve Ballmer fanboy as the next guy,

but at some point this just isn't worth it anymore.

The first thing that really annoyed me was when they hid the control panel then added that obnoxious adspace in the start menu (at least you could disable it) and then they introduced popups in the OS.

At this point the windows experience is a struggle, you fight against what microsoft wants to force on to you and the OS annoys you with silly (((smart))) features. You are only barely in control of your own PC anymore.

But windows bros THEY WANT TO IMPLEMENT ADS IN THE FILE EXPLORER!!!

I will be 100% team penguin and deal with the consequences before I use an OS with integrated ads.

 

[Aidan]

Linux is in no way ready for your standard user when you still have to do shit like this.

I like how you're talking about a 55inch 4k TV with an expensive graphics card then turn right around and say it's not ready for the standard user. That last line came off like a punchline.

Anyway, there's the usual pattern playing out in this thread. A linuxfag tries to convey their take on the subject and the recurring winfags all say how they can't do "their thing" on linux so it's dumb and not normie-ready, then ironically snarkpost until the linuxfag goes away for a bit. It's all so tiresome.

 

[Spud]

photoshop

Best I can do is GIMP but you can't have a circle tool

 

[Matt Damon]

I like how you're talking about a 55inch 4k TV with an expensive graphics card then turn right around and say it's not ready for the standard user.

Anyway, there's the usual pattern playing out in this thread.

I agree. That pattern is that someone will describe a real problem they have running Linux in detail and all the Linuxfags simply say "you're not a normal user" and disregard their issue as if it's irrelevant.

The plural of anecdote is "data" and the plural of all the edge cases you casually dismiss are the fucking Windows-using audience you're trying to convert in the first place.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

I am as much a Steve Ballmer fanboy as the next guy,
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but at some point this just isn't worth it anymore.

The first thing that really annoyed me was when they hid the control panel then added that obnoxious adspace in the start menu (at least you could disable it) and then they introduced popups in the OS.

At this point the windows experience is a struggle, you fight against what microsoft wants to force on to you and the OS annoys you with silly (((smart))) features. You are only barely in control of your own PC anymore.

But windows bros THEY WANT TO IMPLEMENT ADS IN THE FILE EXPLORER!!!

I will be 100% team penguin and deal with the consequences before I use an OS with integrated ads.

What pissed me off is garbage like candy crush and my virtual pets being installed in the background on the start menu. It would even reinstall after a major update. As much as I dislike Canonical's ubuntu it really is turnkey distro with decent touch screen support.

 

[HarblMcDavid]

Same question I keep asking - what is it you do with a computer that TPM breaks?

I understand you enjoy smugly talking past the issue, and I told you what is was: goodwill, trust, and the most important aspect, choice.

Ironic isn't it?

I see people in the thread that use TPM on their Linux machines, great! They made that choice.

Windows 11 consumer users do not get to, that's the problem. And it's obvious they could erase any quibbles if they trusted people enough to just put a checkbox in the installer.

You'll just respond with another smug "but it doesn't break your computer tho". To argue the absurd: neither would a required matrix hell interface that jams into your spinal column and grabs your face in the process like a mechanical spider that won't let you boot until you activate it: it would still be unpleasant, not a choice, and an obvious lack of trust or goodwill to the consumer by the manufacturer.

 

[Aidan]

I agree. That pattern is that someone will describe a real problem they have running Linux in detail and all the Linuxfags simply say "you're not a normal user" and disregard their issue as if it's irrelevant.

The plural of anecdote is "data" and the plural of all the edge cases you casually dismiss are the fucking Windows-using audience you're trying to convert in the first place.

I've been up front that I don't care to convert anyone, it's more the issues brought up are not "normal" user issues. For you there's audio software, normal people use realtek and don't even know what realtek is.
The Ugly One is buying tons of hardware left and right and going "LOOK IT WORKS!!!" Even though I'm pretty sure all but the graphics cards would work the same lol

We're going in circles on this again since "normal user" is an anecdotal reference.

I have to use Windows for work, when I plug headphones in it will automatically switch over but not output any audio until I switch it to another output and back to headphones. When it goes to sleep with HDMI plugged in it will re-cram all of the open windows back onto the primary laptop screen. When it goes to sleep with all I/O through a docking station it will sometimes not send anything to one of the monitors yet remembers where everything was. The search feature is so bad I just gave up on using it. Occasionally when I unlock it and log in, it black screens until I put it to sleep and sign in again. Lots of little "wat" moments that get in the way of work that people are accustomed with.

By the logic applied in this thread I should be using Mac because it #justworks. Windows is in a weird spot as Microsoft seems to have completely stopped giving a shit about the end user yet pulls off impressive technical advancements under the hood and focuses on cloud tech. You've said it yourself, you're basically only locked in because of the software/hardware support and if that were no longer the case you'd be more open to moving. That support exists due to Microsoft bullying their way to critical mass marketshare 20+ years ago.

I understand you enjoy smugly talking past the issue, and I told you what is was: goodwill, trust, and the most important aspect, choice.

Ironic isn't it?

I see people in the thread that use TPM on their Linux machines, great! They made that choice.

Windows 11 consumer users do not get to, that's the problem. And it's obvious they could erase any quibbles if they trusted people enough to just put a checkbox in the installer.

You'll just respond with another smug "but it doesn't break your computer tho". To argue the absurd: neither would a required matrix hell interface that jams into your spinal column and grabs your face in the process like a mechanical spider that won't let you boot until you activate it: it would still be unpleasant, not a choice, and an obvious lack of trust or goodwill to the consumer by the manufacturer.

TPM will also be used as a tool to further remove your control of the OS and software. Storing encryption keys is probably the most generic use case but it isn't the only one and for normal users that isn't all that important, it's more of an enterprise thing.

 

[Samuel Hyde]

I agree. That pattern is that someone will describe a real problem they have running Linux in detail and all the Linuxfags simply say "you're not a normal user" and disregard their issue as if it's irrelevant.

The plural of anecdote is "data" and the plural of all the edge cases you casually dismiss are the fucking Windows-using audience you're trying to convert in the first place.

Your use case is 100% irrelevant to me. You are irrelevant to me. Continue using Windows. I want to see you suffer through an ad-bloated operating system with non-stop surveillance and spyware. It's *very* amusing to watch.

 

[Matt Damon]

I've been up front that I don't care to convert anyone

Okay, you just complain that users don't convert themselves because they're too lazy or stupid or uninformed or somehow lacking in Linuxfag moral virtue to do so.

You've said it yourself, you're basically only locked in because of the software/hardware support and if that were no longer the case you'd be more open to moving.

"Only"? Yeah, the only thing preventing me from switching is literally the primary function of the operating system.

 

[Aidan]

Okay, you just complain that users don't convert themselves because they're too lazy or stupid or uninformed or somehow lacking in Linuxfag moral virtue to do so.

Where have I complained users don't convert themselves? I think most people would be just fine if they switched but don't expect it to happen.

"Only"? Yeah, the only thing preventing me from switching is literally the primary function of the operating system.

Your use case is an edge case you're adamant about saying it isn't. It is not GNU+Linux's fault that it isn't supported, it's whoever maintains whatever you're using. The reason is due to marketshare which is what it is. There has never been a time and never will be a time where all software and hardware will be usable across two different OS's, let alone Windows, Mac, and Linux. The modern solution to this is increasingly "Web app lol" and it's not perfect but it has resulted in most people being able to hop between Windows, Mac, and Linux (and Android and iPhone) relatively hassle free for personal use.

 

[Pissmaster]

But windows bros THEY WANT TO IMPLEMENT ADS IN THE FILE EXPLORER!!!

Apple's been doing that for over 23 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MobileMe

Your use case is 100% irrelevant to me. You are irrelevant to me. Continue using Windows. I want to see you suffer through an ad-bloated operating system with non-stop surveillance and spyware. It's *very* amusing to watch.

Have fun using a computer that kernel panics the second you want to do something other than check your email, lmao.

 

[Matt Damon]

Your use case is an edge case you're adamant about saying it isn't.

And so is using Photoshop. Or Office. Or video editing. Or Nvidia GPUs. And now the "wrong" type of AMD GPU and a 4k monitor.

It's just incredible how this never ends. Not everything can be an edge case, by definition.

 

[The Ugly One]

I like how you're talking about a 55inch 4k TV with an expensive graphics card then turn right around and say it's not ready for the standard user. That last line came off like a punchline.

Anyway, there's the usual pattern playing out in this thread. A linuxfag tries to convey their take on the subject and the recurring winfags all say how they can't do "their thing" on linux so it's dumb and not normie-ready, then ironically snarkpost until the linuxfag goes away for a bit. It's all so tiresome.

What you seem to be missing here is that as the number of use cases and applications for your software grows, so does the dominance of edge cases. You know which use cases are encompassed by Windows? Literally all of them. Every single reason anybody uses a desktop/laptop computer other than the specific use case of "not using Windows" is a Windows use case. It would be more accurate to say the normal Windows user is an edge case.

By the logic applied in this thread I should be using Mac because it #justworks. Windows is in a weird spot as Microsoft seems to have completely stopped giving a shit about the end user yet pulls off impressive technical advancements under the hood and focuses on cloud tech. You've said it yourself, you're basically only locked in because of the software/hardware support and if that were no longer the case you'd be more open to moving. That support exists due to Microsoft bullying their way to critical mass marketshare 20+ years ago.

You should use whatever does the job you need it to at the highest level of overall quality. That's the huge gap between the Linux People and everyone else here. Linux People treat operating system usage like some kind of moral-ideological statement. You act like people should use Linux because it will somehow make them better people. It's just software. It's just a tool. If it's the best tool for your job, use it. If it's not the best tool for somebody else's job, don't get butthurt about it. Somebody's choice of tool is not some kind of personal attack.

 

[Aidan]

And so is using Photoshop. Or Office. Or video editing. Or Nvidia GPUs. And now the "wrong" type of AMD GPU and a 4k monitor.

It's just incredible how this never ends. Not everything can be an edge case, by definition.

Nvidia works but not as well as AMD which means no bleeding edge drivers but if you're using discrete graphics you're not the average computer user. Already been covered but most people don't buy desktops anymore.
That said, both work and plenty of people game on Linux these days. I use AMD and 4k, for example.

Adobe (Photoshop/video editing) is also not "normal." You think most people (>50%) pay for that?

Office isn't a dealbreaker for most people as far as I know, Excel might be but again that's not a normal user. I'm personally curious on the stats about Office client use vs web use. I know a lot of college students use it in the browser by default and even write on their phones.

What I don't understand is what's so hard to get that "most people" means the majority of the population. The 100 million+ (in the US) who make up most computer users. You seriously think most (>50%) are using Photoshop, editing videos, installing graphics cards, etc?

What you seem to be missing here is that as the number of use cases and applications for your software grows, so does the dominance of edge cases. You know which use cases are encompassed by Windows? Literally all of them. Every single reason anybody uses a desktop/laptop computer other than the specific use case of "not using Windows" is a Windows use case. It would be more accurate to say the normal Windows user is an edge case.

Macs exist.

You should use whatever does the job you need it to at the highest level of overall quality. That's the huge gap between the Linux People and everyone else here. Linux People treat operating system usage like some kind of moral-ideological statement. You act like people should use Linux because it will somehow make them better people. It's just software. It's just a tool. If it's the best tool for your job, use it. If it's not the best tool for somebody else's job, don't get butthurt about it. Somebody's choice of tool is not some kind of personal attack.

I opt to use Windows because most of my team uses Windows as they're mostly boomers. I could get a company Mac but it's easier for them if I have Windows.
I expected people to just ignore all of those Windows problems listed. On Linux something like headphones being plugged in not working instantly is cause for major concern that shows the OS/distro is immature or messy. On Windows it's fine.

As for "it's just software," I think if people understood the software more they would feel more strongly about things, like if you told them Windows uses their internet to update other Windows machines people would be wary and maybe even upset as irrational as that may be. That's not getting into telemetry autism. People have no clue what Windows is doing and don't care until it impacts them

 

[Never Scored]

What you seem to be missing here is that as the number of use cases and applications for your software grows, so does the dominance of edge cases. You know which use cases are encompassed by Windows? Literally all of them. Every single reason anybody uses a desktop/laptop computer other than the specific use case of "not using Windows" is a Windows use case. It would be more accurate to say the normal Windows user is an edge case.

Talking to my mom on FaceTime.

Using IMessage to continue a conversation I started on my phone.

I know these aren't Linux things either, but they're extremely popular use cases that don't apply to Windows.