Microsoft is fucking butthurt no one wants Windows 11 so they're stopping the sale of Windows 10 licenses this month

Adobe (Photoshop/video editing) is also not "normal." You think most people (>50%) pay for that?
Video editing is extremely normal in a world where everyone has a 4K camera in their pockets and every single person under the age of 20 wants to be the next big YouTube star

Linux desperately needs good creative software support

Talking to my mom on FaceTime.

Using IMessage to continue a conversation I started on my phone.

I know these aren't Linux things either, but they're extremely popular use cases that don't apply to Windows.
Yes, because you're using proprietary Apple software that's designed to work together with Apple's range of products.
 
Video editing is extremely normal in a world where everyone has a 4K camera in their pockets and every single person under the age of 20 wants to be the next big YouTube star
Most people aren't doing that stuff, not even most 20 somethings and teens. They use apps for that which is part of why Tiktok took off, look up how they "edit" those videos.
Linux desperately needs good creative software support
DaVinci Resolve works but sort of like OS's most people get into their editor of choice and lock themselves in because it's a pain to learn another. Plus Adobe has sort of an editing "ecosystem" now for better or worse.
I agree though, alongside gaming it's another major area generally not worth trying in Linux.

On gaming, generally the problem is anticheat nowadays due to the devs, not Linux. As a cultist I have to include that.
 
Yes, because you're using proprietary Apple software that's designed to work together with Apple's range of products.
And no one is claiming Windows is Just as Good(TM) and can do everything Macs can do. There are absolutely things you can do on OS X (mostly related to Apple's mobile stuff) that you can't do on Windows, full stop. No excuses, no rationalizations, no bullshit.

Because we're not trying to convert anybody or defend the honor of our very favorite operating system. Use it if it works for you and don't if it doesn't - I have no ego invested in the features Windows has or its market penetration.
 
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Yes, because you're using proprietary Apple software that's designed to work together with Apple's range of products.
I don't disagree, but I also don't think it's any different than arguing you need a propitiatory piece of software that only works with Windows which was kind of the point. I was replying to a comment that implied there was not one common computer use case that you can't use Windows for. I don't see how suggesting that someone who uses and likes IMessage and FaceTime should move over to Windows and use Teams or Skype or something is any different than someone who suggests someone who uses Photoshop should try Gimp.

I've being agreeing this entire time that people who like Linux and seeth over people using Windows are retarded, but I'm not about to pretend someone saying any possible use case an average person could have for a computer can be done in Windows isn't retarded either.

Ever try opening an image someone with an iPhone sent you in Windows? You have to jump through hoops to do it.
 
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And no one is claiming Windows is Just as Good(TM) and can do everything Macs can do. There are absolutely things you can do on OS X (mostly related to Apple's mobile stuff) that you can't do on Windows, full stop. No excuses, no rationalizations, no bullshit.
Who has suggested any such thing?
I was replying to something literally like six posts ago, dude:
You know which use cases are encompassed by Windows? Literally all of them. Every single reason anybody uses a desktop/laptop computer other than the specific use case of "not using Windows" is a Windows use case. It would be more accurate to say the normal Windows user is an edge case.
 
Most people aren't doing that stuff, not even most 20 somethings and teens. They use apps for that which is part of why Tiktok took off, look up how they "edit" those videos.
Anyone who's serious about it will eventually have to graduate from baby's first video editor on their phones. Have you ever tried using iMovie on an iPhone? You can't do much beyond splitting clips and adding stock elements. I don't even think you can slow down footage. Yeah, TikTok I'm sure has a simple built-in editor for making TikTok-style videos, which is great for doing exactly that and not much else. Anything of any kind of bigger caliber, including even something as simple as game streaming, needs a proper video editing package.
 
Anyone who's serious about it will eventually have to graduate from baby's first video editor on their phones. Have you ever tried using iMovie on an iPhone? You can't do much beyond splitting clips and adding stock elements. I don't even think you can slow down footage. Yeah, TikTok I'm sure has a simple built-in editor for making TikTok-style videos, which is great for doing exactly that and not much else. Anything of any kind of bigger caliber, including even something as simple as game streaming, needs a proper video editing package.
The average Tiktok/'gram zoomies aren't going to graduate to full blown editors. Video editing is not something normal people do on their computers, I don't get why that's contentious.

Linux is not good for video editing and video editors should use Windows or Mac if that's what they want to do professionally or at a high level.
 
The average Tiktok/'gram zoomies aren't going to graduate to full blown editors. Video editing is not something normal people do on their computers,
It wasn't when you and I were young, but it is now! Not every kid needs to learn Photoshop in order to make shitposts, but videos are king in the land of normie internet. Shit, man, even learning how to set up proper lighting in your filming space will help a kid down the line when they have to do job interviews over a video conference. Film stuff isn't just a thing that's of interest to normies, it's getting to be something important enough to help you get a leg up in life.
 
The average Tiktok/'gram zoomies aren't going to graduate to full blown editors. Video editing is not something normal people do on their computers, I don't get why that's contentious.

Linux is not good for video editing and video editors should use Windows or Mac if that's what they want to do professionally or at a high level.
Blender is starting to become a really good video editor now and that's linux native. Not studio grade but more than sufficient for hobbyists. I figure if one can sit through hours to learn premier, one can do the same to learn how to use blender video editor.
 
Talking to my mom on FaceTime.

Using IMessage to continue a conversation I started on my phone.

I know these aren't Linux things either, but they're extremely popular use cases that don't apply to Windows.

You can do both phone-to-PC video calls and integration with SMS flawlessly on both Linux and Windows. If what you want is to use specific, proprietary Apple software, sure, but then that falls in the "specifically not using Windows" bucket. Can't run GarageBand or iMovie in Linux either, for that matter.
 
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@Matt Damon When's the last time someone in this thread actually acknowledged that you and many others aren't "Joe Normie" and have special yet not outlandish use-cases where until Linux is actually compatible with it, it doesn't matter if FOSS devs would be happy to have you running their stuff or not? Never?
I'm a photographer, an engineer, and a gamer. I've been told at least three times in this thread that I literally don't exist.
Also I've probably got the mix of use cases that is LEAST Linux friendly I've seen.
 
I'm a photographer, an engineer, and a gamer. I've been told at least three times in this thread that I literally don't exist.
Also I've probably got the mix of use cases that is LEAST Linux friendly I've seen.
Awesome. I don't like Windows or Mac so I use Linux, but reading this thread can get annoying regardless of my choices.
 
Holy fuck did this thread take a sharp turn. A simple announcement of Microsoft not selling some keys turns into a small clique of apes on both sides flinging shit at each other, may as well piss in the ocean:

The biggest difference that causes these chimpouts is every OS (yes, even borderline unusable ones like SerenityOS or haiku) have their own view of how a computer should be used: Linux spergs believe that a user should be willing to accept a higher than average learning curve (which is pretty close to the curve of older, pre-1980s computers tbh.) The Windows view is the path of least resistance, i.e using the standard OS that everyone else uses because that's what they're used to/the people they work with are used to. macOS is, to quote an actual apple ad from the early 90's,“The computer for the bemused, confused, and intimidated”.
The Mac user sees computers as the box that does the internets, the Linux user could probably tell you every chip on their board and who made it, and the Windows user might know the name of some of the components.
The biggest issues with the whole Windows v. Linux debate is software availability, which can be best described as a permanently fucked cycle:
  1. Windows is pushed by MS onto every mainstream computer manufacturer years ago.
  2. Software devs target whatever has the most users.
  3. Users get reliant on said software
  4. Devs stop acknowledging a system the more niche it is, leaving Linux with little support.
  5. People don't use Linux because their software isn't on it natively (nobody wants to fuck with WINE, so don't bother.)
Basically, the only way the year of the Linux desktop™ could be made viable is if enough people moved to Linux, devs might start supporting it, except they won't because of aforementioned reasons.
Keep in mind the OS wars are almost exclusively based on software availability, and the occasional UI debacle, as I doubt anyone here (myself included) are OS scientists/designers/engineers, since the Linux fragmentation and Windows legacy cruft would make both immediately disqualified and we'd be using something completely different.

If we want to get peak autistic, anything can be used on any OS:
All the big three OS's have X11 client/servers available, which means the user could have a Ubuntu/SuSE/RHEL/Gentoo/OpenIndiana/UnixWare setup for regular day-to-day use, and for that one über special program, use an X11 forwarder to pipe the programs display output from some gigafuck Windows/Mac machine locked away to their display.
For a more primitive example, here's someone using 9front (an OS that barely got a working internet browser and has no native WYSIWYG word processor, video or audio editor) “runnning” Safari via VNC.

TLDR - Microsoft is a monopoly, Kiwis are autistic, and everything is shit so use whatever you like; year of the Linux desktop never.
 
You can do both phone-to-PC video calls and integration with SMS flawlessly on both Linux and Windows. If what you want is to use specific, proprietary Apple software, sure, but then that falls in the "specifically not using Windows" bucket.
I dunno man, wouldn't that also make using Windows because you want Office without considering Libre Office or Microsoft 365 online just specifically not using Linux? I feel like you can't really have it both ways. We've established in this thread that little incompatibilities between different programs that do the same thing on the surface can end up being a huge pain in the ass to deal with. If you're in the Apple ecosystem, I think that it's a bit more complex than someone just not using Windows out of spite. If my mom has an iPhone and I want to talk to her a lot, I'm going to be better off going with an idevice, just like if my client uses Office, I'm much better off going with something that can run Office.

Can't run GarageBand or iMovie in Linux either, for that matter.
I don't really care. I'm not console warring here. I use a Windows machine at work and have a couple of laptops with Linux and dual boot on my desktop at home. I literally use both Windows and Linux every day. I do have a personal preference toward Linux, but I'm not anti-windows so much as I'm anti-being forced to log onto an online account to even use my machine which is what Google, Microsoft and Apple are all pushing toward.
 
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I'm anti-being forced to log onto an online account to even use my machine which is what Google, Microsoft and Apple are all pushing toward.
"Pushing toward" meaning initially requesting that you do it when you reformat and there being absolutely zero functional repercussions for creating a local account instead.

Is that very, very mildly annoying? Sure. But it's the kind of complaint that makes me roll my eyes when every page of this thread contains another tangible, deal-breaking issue with Linux that's instantly swept aside as being an edge case that "real users" will never run into.
 
"Pushing toward" meaning initially requesting that you do it when you reformat and there being absolutely zero functional repercussions for creating a local account instead.
When Windows 11 Home requires a Microsoft account for the inital setup unless you use an elaborate workaround, "pushing toward" is exactly the right phrase to use.

What would you call that?
Is that very, very mildly annoying? Sure. But it's the kind of complaint that makes me roll my eyes when every page of this thread contains another tangible, deal-breaking issue with Linux that's instantly swept aside as being an edge case that "real users" will never run into.
Listen, I understand that Sega does what Nintendont, but when that's what you come back with, I assume you got nothing.
 
Listen, I understand that Sega does what Nintendont, but when that's what you come back with, I assume you got nothing.
Totally. Requesting the user sign into a Microsoft account = real, serious issue. Not working with Nvidia GPUs and now the "wrong" type of AMD GPUs = quirky, irrelevant edge case.

Man, it's getting hard to keep up with all the post hoc rationalizations I need to make for Linux.
 
Totally. Requesting the user sign into a Microsoft account = real, serious issue. Not working with Nvidia GPUs and now the "wrong" type of AMD GPUs = quirky, irrelevant edge case.

Man, it's getting hard to keep up with all the post hoc rationalizations I need to make for Linux.
Why do you assume me going, "Hey, I don't like how big tech companies are trying to force everyone to do this," is me telling you to switch to Linux?

I never once told anyone to switch to Linux. I think the strongest my language got around the issue is, "I don't know why you wouldn't at least give it a go if you're technically inclined." Stop being a retard.

You guys are getting just as bad as the hardcore Linux fags. Has this thread given you PTSD or something?
 
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