Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Rubick]

Well, he's kind of right about Leopard 2 turning invisible. After it gets hit directly by a 152 mm round there wont be much of a leopard 2 to be seen.

 

[Male Idiot]

Orbán was, and still is a to-the-boot communist era proletarian. His government pretty much copies the soviet era nepotism/corruption/yes-men/government knows it all mentality, only a bit less hardcore because "democracy".
I pretty much doubt he's out there to look after The People, he just doesn't want migrants and the USA disrupt his little kingdom.

Whatever is the case, I'm glad this time Hungary stuck to being as neutral as possible.

Not false, but that is the standard state of Hungarian politics. Or eastern europe in general.

Not that the west is doing any better.

 

[kuuu]

The entire Russian presidential fleet (3 IL-96s) has taken off in a line heading east from Moscow.

1) [Putin's regular plane, and the newest of the bunch, delivered 2016]
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Any guesses as to the reason for Putin (and likely Medvedev/Lavrov/Shoigu as well) flying to the capital of Buryatia?

Putin arrived in Ulan-Ude, where he will visit an aircraft factory and talk to its employees

https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/ru-en.ru.17f0da3b-641070d0-ac72e267-74722d776562/https/lenta.ru/news/2023/03/14/putin/

Путин прибыл в Бурятию: Политика: Россия: Lenta.ru

сохранено 14 мар 2023 13:08:23 UTC

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https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/pid-golovuvannyam-prezidenta-vidbulosya-zasidannya-stavki-ve-81593

President held a meeting of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief's Staff — Official website of the President of Ukraine | Ghostarchive

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Having reviewed the course of the defense operation in the Bakhmut sector, all members of the Staff expressed a common position on the further holding and defense of the city of Bakhmut.

Why does zman hate khokhols so much?

 

[102]

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Anudda one who dedicates most of their time mass-reporting pro-RU accounts for hate speech and organizing reporting raids

Putler is finished guys (this troon is a big piss play/watersports fetishist)

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Checking in on NAFO uketard physiognomy
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Isn't this just the cast from the "Why Can't my Nonbinary Friends Get Dates?" meme article?

(Also fuck these clowns for getting Artyom Lukin suspended.)

 

[Rubick]

And that's why kids! Bullying needs to comeback.


Anyway.

Is it me or is there a distinct lack of meme worthy badass photos in this war. Yes, Wagner has provided some but not quite up to previous standard like the Soviets

Which had the tanker diplomat in WWII.

And the Soviet A-team in Afghanistan

Russia though ...???

 

[kuuu]

Russia though ...???

Givi and Motorola.
Never forget.

 

[Meh123]

Isn't this just the cast from the "Why Can't my Nonbinary Friends Get Dates?" meme article?

(Also fuck these clowns for getting Artyom Lukin suspended.)

Isn't report-raiding against some kind of ToS and the clown should be suspended?

 

[Prester John]

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So they really are fighting against the Globohomo?

 

[The Foxtrot]

After all the drunk Ivans have WW2 era artillery and are stupid, whereas Mykola has fancy modern M777's and HIMARS courtesy of the US Military Industrial Complex

This is a mindset I have never understood. Even if the enemy is using WW2-era weaponry, if they're using them well, you cannot counter them effectively, and they can supply them in quantity, they are still a major threat.

If you have no anti-tank weapons, and I have an old BT-7, I have a massive advantage over you. If you have tricked out M4s, but cannot maintain or resupply spare parts/ammo for them, while I have G43s and StG-44s with ample ammunition & spare parts, I still have a massive advantage over you. If your guys are wearing those high speed, low-drag plate carriers but don't have spare plates, while my guys are wearing soft armor flak vests made for $30 a pop, but we can make more all day long, we have a massive advantage over you.

I don't need "the best" weapons for small kill squads, I need "good enough" weapons that I can equip an army with sustainably.

 

[Animewasamistake]

3 important people marched into bahkmut to hold the line, they have perished.. Vitaly Kaplin of Right sector, Alexander Basaliga of the 93rd brigade and Oleksiy Olkhovik. all three have been liquidated by Wagner.

The Azov Terrorist cries out after being hit

Wagner have stepped up the shelling of Konstantinovka which is a command and logistics hub for the Bahkmut defenders.

 

[Corpun]

What kind of copes and freakouts can be expected if Bakhmut falls?

At this point one should say Rogue WEF young global leader because surely they didn't plan on him turning out like that. I guess KGB knew their shit.

So is Putin proof that the WEF and similar globalist types can be subverted in their investments? Obviously you make an enemy of them all, but it seems doable.

Not false, but that is the standard state of Hungarian politics. Or eastern europe in general.

Not that the west is doing any better.

Maybe it is just an outside perspective but I would take Eastern European cronyism over Western cronyism any day. It seems somehow less incestuous and in-your-face.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

What kind of copes and freakouts can be expected if Bakhmut falls?

"The city was strategically irrelevant, it was set up as a fire bag to trick the stupid vatniks into attacking fortifications, which is why the UA had a six gorillion to one k:d ratio."

I don't know why they keep trying to hold it, the only strategic explanation is that they're not confident in their fallback line. The political explanation is that they need to put on a show for their western sponsors and a few thousand mykolas is worth it if they get traded for MBTs.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Ukraine's war effort can be summed up as such:

Throw mobiks into a meatgrinder > Get video footage of crying and dying mobiks > Use footage to beg for gibs from western paypigs > Get gibs, deposit most of it in a Swiss bank > Start new wave of recruitment, get fresh mobiks > Throw mobiks into meatgrinder...

It'll just keep going until they literally run out of men.

 

[YumeNoHero]

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Also what is NAFO anyway? Numbnuts of All Front Operations? Notoriously Assblasted Faggots Organization?

 

[The Ugly One]

This is a mindset I have never understood. Even if the enemy is using WW2-era weaponry, if they're using them well, you cannot counter them effectively, and they can supply them in quantity, they are still a major threat.

If you have no anti-tank weapons, and I have an old BT-7, I have a massive advantage over you. If you have tricked out M4s, but cannot maintain or resupply spare parts/ammo for them, while I have G43s and StG-44s with ample ammunition & spare parts, I still have a massive advantage over you. If your guys are wearing those high speed, low-drag plate carriers but don't have spare plates, while my guys are wearing soft armor flak vests made for $30 a pop, but we can make more all day long, we have a massive advantage over you.

I don't need "the best" weapons for small kill squads, I need "good enough" weapons that I can equip an army with sustainably.

The only way wunderwaffen work out is if they give you such a massive advantage that you take close to zero casualties. For example, steel and bronze armor are impervious to stone weapons. Alexander and Cortes alike were able to kill Stone Age tribes until they ran out of people to kill. U.S. systems have a similar advantage over 50s &60s Soviet systems like Saddam had. But Ukraine doesn't have those. In particular, they don't have the air power they need to wipe out Russian air defenses & artillery.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

This is a mindset I have never understood. Even if the enemy is using WW2-era weaponry, if they're using them well, you cannot counter them effectively, and they can supply them in quantity, they are still a major threat.

If you have no anti-tank weapons, and I have an old BT-7, I have a massive advantage over you. If you have tricked out M4s, but cannot maintain or resupply spare parts/ammo for them, while I have G43s and StG-44s with ample ammunition & spare parts, I still have a massive advantage over you. If your guys are wearing those high speed, low-drag plate carriers but don't have spare plates, while my guys are wearing soft armor flak vests made for $30 a pop, but we can make more all day long, we have a massive advantage over you.

I don't need "the best" weapons for small kill squads, I need "good enough" weapons that I can equip an army with sustainably.

I agree. How can anyone honestly say superior weaponry wins when Afghanistan remains undefeated. All they use is Ak-47's and all-terrain camels.

 

[Stoneheart]

that this war in my mind shows that various wunderwaffen are essentially useless bullshit in the context of a near-peer conflict like we're seeing now, and that military analysts from all the various militaries will probably be taking notes and revising their plans on what to arm militaries with.

The Wunderwaffen Performed just like they were supposed to. the issue is that those subhumans are using tanks in the defense of some town. Tanks are for moving around.

This war shows once again that Officers win battles, not men or weapons... The russian army is a joke, they failed in pretty much everything they tried. the way less trained but better lead Wagner troops on the otherhand are doing very well.

 

[MrJokerRager]

NATO assistance seems totally dependent on which administration is running Washington. If it flips in 24, there's at least a decent chance that all military aid will dry up overnight, and European NATO members aren't going to wave their dick at Russia without the US' backing. Ukraine is a ship full of holes that's only being kept afloat by foreign water pumps. When the pumps stop, that shit is donezo.

Tucker recently received answers from President Trump and other cannon fodder for the 2024 GOP primaries on Jewkraine.

And posted all the essays on Twitter.

Original Tweet Thread (Archive)

Former President @realDonaldTrump answers our Ukraine questionnaire:

“Like inflation and numerous other self inflicted wounds and mistakes made over the past two years, Russia would definitely not have raided and attacked Ukraine if I was your President. In fact, for four years they didn’t attack, nor did they have any intention of doing so as long as I was in charge. But the sad fact is that, due to a new lack of respect for the U.S., caused at least partially by our incompetently handled pullout from Afghanistan, and a very poor choice of words by Biden in explaining U.S. requests and intentions (Biden’s first statement was that Russia could have some of Ukraine, no problem!), the bloody and expensive assault began, and continues to this day. That is all history, but how does it end, and it must end, NOW! Start by telling Europe that they must pay at least equal to what the U.S. is paying to help Ukraine. They must also pay us, retroactively, the difference. At a staggering 125 Billion Dollars, we are paying 4 to 5 times more, and this fight is far more important for Europe than it is for the U.S. Next, tell Ukraine that there will be little more money coming from us, UNLESS RUSSIA CONTINUES TO PROSECUTE THE WAR. The President must meet with each side, then both sides together, and quickly work out a deal. This can be easily done if conducted by the right President. Both sides are weary and ready to make a deal. The meetings should start immediately, there is no time to spare. The death and destruction MUST END NOW! Properly executed, this terrible and tragic War, a War that never should have started in the first place, will come to a speedy end. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!”

Is opposing Russia in Ukraine a vital American national strategic interest?

“No, but it is for Europe. But not for the United States. That is why Europe should be paying far more than we are, or equal.”

What specifically is our objective in Ukraine, and how will we know when we’ve achieved it?

“Our objective in Ukraine is to help and secure Europe, but Europe isn't helping itself. They are relying on the United States to largely do it for them. That is very unfair to us. Especially since Europe takes advantage of us on trade and other things.”

What is the limit of funding and materiel you would be willing to send to the government of Ukraine?

“That would strongly depend on my meeting with President Putin and Russia. Russia would have never attacked Ukraine if I were President, not even a small chance. Would have never happened if I were President, but it has. I would have to see what the direction in which Russia is headed. I want them to stop, and they will, depending on the one that delivers that message. But with everything said, Europe must pay. The United States has spent much more than Europe, and that is not fair, just, or equitable. If I were President, that horrible war would end in 24 hours, or less. It can be done, and it must be done-- now!”

Should the United States support regime change in Russia?

“No. We should support regime change in the United States, that's far more important. The Biden administration are the ones who got us into this mess.”

Given that Russia’s economy and currency are stronger than before the war, do you believe that U.S. sanctions have been effective?

“No, they have not been effective. Just the opposite. They drove Russia, China and Iran into an unthinkable situation.”

Do you believe the United States faces the risk of nuclear war with Russia?

“It depends on who the President of the United States is. At the moment, with Biden as president, absolutely yes. He says and does all the wrong things at the wrong time.”

Florida Governor @RonDeSantisFL answers our Ukraine questionnaire:

“While the U.S. has many vital national interests – securing our borders, addressing the crisis of readiness within our military, achieving energy security and independence, and checking the economic, cultural, and military power of the Chinese Communist Party – becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them. The Biden administration’s virtual “blank check” funding of this conflict for “as long as it takes,” without any defined objectives or accountability, distracts from our country’s most pressing challenges.

Without question, peace should be the objective. The U.S. should not provide assistance that could require the deployment of American troops or enable Ukraine to engage in offensive operations beyond its borders. F-16s and long-range missiles should therefore be off the table. These moves would risk explicitly drawing the United States into the conflict and drawing us closer to a hot war between the world’s two largest nuclear powers. That risk is unacceptable.

A policy of “regime change” in Russia (no doubt popular among the DC foreign policy interventionists) would greatly increase the stakes of the conflict, making the use of nuclear weapons more likely. Such a policy would neither stop the death and destruction of the war, nor produce a pro-American, Madisonian constitutionalist in the Kremlin. History indicates that Putin’s successor, in this hypothetical, would likely be even more ruthless. The costs to achieve such a dubious outcome could become astronomical.

The Biden administration’s policies have driven Russia into a de facto alliance with China. Because China has not and will not abide by the embargo, Russia has increased its foreign revenues while China benefits from cheaper fuel. Coupled with his intentional depletion of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve and support for the Left’s Green New Deal, Biden has further empowered Russia’s energy-dominated economy and Putin’s war machine at Americans’ expense.

Our citizens are also entitled to know how the billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars are being utilized in Ukraine.

We cannot prioritize intervention in an escalating foreign war over the defense of our own homeland, especially as tens of thousands of Americans are dying every year from narcotics smuggled across our open border and our weapons arsenals critical for our own security are rapidly being depleted."

Former VP @Mike_Pence answers our Ukraine questionnaire

Is opposing Russia in Ukraine a vital American national strategic interest?

“When the United States supports Ukraine in their fight against Putin, we follow the Reagan doctrine, and we support those who fight our enemies on their shores, so we will not have to fight them ourselves. There is no room for Putin apologists in the Republican Party. This is not America’s war, but if Putin is not stopped and the sovereign nation of Ukraine is not restored quickly, he will continue to move toward our NATO allies, and America would then be called upon to send our own.

Vladimir Putin has revealed his true nature, a dictator consumed conquest and willing to spend thousands of lives for his commitment to reestablish the Greater Russian Empire. Anyone who thinks Putin will stop at Ukraine’s border is not owning up to the reality of who Putin is. We need to be clear-eyed about the Russian threat: that Georgia, the Crimea, and Ukraine are merely at the top of Putin’s lists, they are not the only countries he’s aiming for. And by supporting Ukraine, we have told China we will support Taiwan, should they follow Russia in an attempt to invade.”

What specifically is our objective in Ukraine, and how will we know when we’ve achieved it?

“Victory for Ukraine, where Ukraine’s sovereignty and peace are restored as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, the Biden administration slow walked aid to Ukraine, every response has been too slow from providing intelligence to Ukraine, to hammering Russia with sanctions, to providing military equipment and fighter jets to Ukraine.

Ukraine’s victory should be an unmistakable, undeniable defeat for Russia and its allies.”

What is the limit of funding and material you would be willing to send to the government of Ukraine?

“As a fiscal conservative, I do not believe in sending blank checks and want oversight of government spending at home and abroad. But withholding or reducing support will have consequences: If Putin is not stopped now and he moves into NATO-controlled territory, the cost will be far greater.”

Should the United States support regime change in Russia?

“That is a better question for the thousands of Russian citizens jailed for protesting the Russian invasion of Ukraine. As many as 200,000 Russian troops have been killed or wounded in Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, that question should be asked to those families grieving their loss, ask if they’d support a regime change.”

Given that Russia’s economy and currency are stronger than before the war, do you believe that U.S. sanctions have been effective?

“The Trump-Pence administration established a devastating sanctions program and was the toughest US administration on Russia since the Cold War. Sanctions against Russia could have had even more painful consequences if the Biden administration moved quicker with new sanctions and western Europe had heeded US warnings to look elsewhere for energy sources.

Russia’s economy and currency are not stronger than before the war. The Russian economy is in free-fall. The Russian ruble is still afloat because of the extremely costly measures Russia has taken to keep their currency at pre-war levels in the face of sanctions. Russia is currently being propped up by China, and if China withdraws their support, Putin could run out of money by as soon as 2024; Russia is not in a strong economic position. This war is costing Russia their economy, their military prowess, their position on the world stage, and it’s costing lives.”

Do you believe the United States faces the risk of nuclear war with Russia?

“Putin is still “the small and bullying leader of Russia,” his talk of nuclear war is a bullying tactic that he used at the start of the invasion. But Putin should know the United States will not be bullied. This administration has not led with strength on the world stage, but America is still a nation that believes peace comes through strength.”

South Dakota Governor @govkristinoem answers our Ukraine questionnaire:

Q: Is opposing Russia in Ukraine a vital American national strategic interest?

A: “The primary external threat to the United States in Communist China. Our opposition to Russia has heightened this threat for a number of reasons. One, it’s pushing Russia into an alliance with China – meaning Russia may soon draw from China’s large weapon arsenal. Two, we’re weakening our own military by sending weapons to a corrupt country. And three, we’re taking our eyes off the ball and allowing China to put favors in their bank. This should be Europe’s fight, not ours. We should not waste taxpayer dollars at the risk of nuclear war.”

Q: What specifically is our objective in Ukraine, and how will we know when we’ve achieved it?

A: “The American people didn’t get us into this war – Joe Biden did. Biden has this fantasy that he can do the same kind of thing to Russia that Ronald Reagan did to the Soviet Union; that, somehow, through American military weight, we’re going to bring Putin to his knees. His fantasy is wasting a lot of American money and killing too many people.

If we had a President who pursued peace through strength, Putin never would have dared to invade Ukraine. The only way to avoid these kinds of conflicts is to project strength. That’s why voters must remove Biden and the Democrats from office.”

Q: What is the limit of funding and materiel you would be willing to send to the government of Ukraine?

A: “We’ve already over-extended ourselves in our largesse to Ukraine. And the Ukrainian government is not made up of angels – they have a long history of corruption scandals, and recent news indicates that this issue is ongoing.

The federal government is closing in on $200 billion in aid to Ukraine. We haven’t spent that much to protect our border in the last 5 years combined. We must question whether we should prop up a corrupt regime to our own financial detriment.”

Q: Should the United States support regime change in Russia?

A: “Not at this time, as it could lead to an even more destabilized Europe and cause escalation up the nuclear ladder.”

Q: Given that Russia’s economy and currency are stronger than before the war, do you believe that U.S. sanctions have been effective?

A: “The United States has come to rely far too heavily on financial sanctions as a weapon of deterrence. Now, nations that hate America are consciously moving away from the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency.

Sanctions against China, Iran, and Russia have bolstered the Russian ruble and enabled China to establish trade in Chinese money rather than in US dollars.

One of the worst side effects of these sanctions has been the skyrocketing cost of oil and natural gas in America and around the world. Russia is selling less of its oil and gas, but they are doing so at a much higher price.

It’s counterfactual to say that Russia’s economy is stronger in the wake of the war. The more appropriate phrase here is “more resilient.” Russia has ridden out the sanctions remarkably well, but its economy remains weak. And it’ll get sucked into the global recession that it helped cause.”

Q: Do you believe the United States faces the risk of nuclear war with Russia?

A: “The Biden regime is taking us quickly up the escalatory ladder with a series of provocative actions and statements. We cannot back down from any legitimate threat that Putin makes against the United States. We are closer now to the use of tactical nuclear weapons than we have ever been. That would be what Putin would use first. This is not about dropping “the big one” on New York or Los Angeles. Putin would slaughter thousands of souls in a contained fighting environment.”

Governor @GregAbbott_TX on Ukraine:

“President Biden’s blank check foreign policy in Ukraine has drawn nothing but ridicule and disdain from our adversaries and has diverted funding from essential needs in the United States. Throwing money at Ukraine with no accountability or objective is clearly failing. Worse is that President Biden’s approach to Ukraine has been at the expense of underfunding, or ignoring, priorities at home. Before he sends any more money or assets to Ukraine's border, he must enforce our immigration laws and secure our southern border. As Governor of Texas, I am focused on responding to this Biden-made border crisis and delivering real results for Texans this legislative session.”

@SenatorTimScott on Ukraine:

“You have Americans who are frustrated because of the lack of leadership on domestic issues that only exacerbates the situation we see today in Ukraine. Here's where we need the president to lead: what is our nation's vital interest in Ukraine? And it should start with degrading the Russian military is in our vital national interest. In addition to that, we are not going to simply degrade the Russian military. We are gonna have accountability for every single dollar spent. There is no such thing as a blank check. We are going to make sure that there's accountability. And the last point I'd make on the Ukraine front is that China has chosen a side. They are partnering, they are partnering with Putin, which means it's enmity with us. China is a risk that continues to rise, an adversarial position they have taken against the American people. We should hear what they're telling us. Believe them and act accordingly.”

Former @GovChristie on Ukraine:

“Russia’s aggression against Ukraine is a national security issue that threatens our alliances and our standing in the world. Our objective is to assist Ukraine sufficiently to enable them to defeat Russian forces and restore their sovereignty. This effort is not about regime change in Russia; it is about respecting the sovereignty of free nations. Also, this is a proxy war being waged by Russia’s ally China against the United States. Due to their assistance to Russia and China’s recent action in the Middle East, it would be naive to call this anything but Chinese aggression. Our allies and our enemies are watching us. It is on us to assist our democratic allies in defending themselves against authoritarian aggression. If we do not, this aggression will spread and the void we leave will be filled by authoritarian regimes like China, Iran, North Korea and an empowered Russia if they triumph over Ukraine.”

The following GOP presidential hopefuls did not respond:

@NikkiHaley

@mikepompeo

@AsaHutchinson

@AmbJohnBolton

@GovChrisSununu

Also some random Indian guy responded with wall of text but he has no chance and national name recognition.

 

[moocow]

Checking in on NAFO uketard physiognomy
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