Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

[monstrous bubo]

Joe and Lily on a trip to coastal Sonoma County:
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Mallory, as usual, at home taking care of the dogs.
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And here was I thinking the Prof would look better with his face covered. More fool me.

 

[Dr. Butt]

Lily's quite a weirdo to me. She doesn't act like any lesbian I've ever been involved with and has the skin of an old American man who eats everything deep fried. Truly she is a woman of many contradictions.

 

[aanoo]

Lily's quite a weirdo to me. She doesn't act like any lesbian I've ever been involved with and has the skin of an old American man who eats everything deep fried. Truly she is a woman of many contradictions.

Didn't she describe herself as a "lesbian who likes having sex with men" (i.e. not a lesbian) even before meeting Joe? She's just one of the bisexuals who doesn't think bisexual sounds cool enough, and Joe obviously loves having a "lesbian" into him to validate his woman card. It probably rankles him that Mallory was (most?) attracted to him when he was a semi-normally masculine man

 

[Potatis Salad]

I looked at Joe's Instagram stories yesterday [] but can't recall what he's referring to. lol @ him posting this though. Anything he can possibly grasp to brag about...


Your employer probably wishes you'd fuck off too.

 

[Trianon]

I looked at Joe's Instagram stories yesterday [] but can't recall what he's referring to. lol @ him posting this though. Anything he can possibly grasp to brag about...
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Your employer probably wishes you'd fuck off too.
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I just know his stories are 99% unintelligible horny nonsense, all low-effort reposts. Glad someone got mad over it, haha.

See, just extremely lame.


Joe is mad at Jesse Singal. Singal was recently namechecked (archive) in an article describing him as anti-trans (he is merely extremely pedantic and cares about whether the efficacy of youth transition is actually borne out by evidence yet or not). He is taking a break from or quitting Twitter as a result of the recent dispiriting discourse. We remember him for his ability to ruin Joe's short-lived commentary career by appending like 6 corrections to an op-ed Joe wrote. Seethe, seethe!

 

[monstrous bubo]

I just know his stories are 99% unintelligible horny nonsense, all low-effort reposts. Glad someone got mad over it, haha.

See, just extremely lame.
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Joe is mad at Jesse Singal. Singal was recently namechecked (archive) in an article describing him as anti-trans (he is merely extremely pedantic and cares about whether the efficacy of youth transition is actually borne out by evidence yet or not). He is taking a break from or quitting Twitter as a result of the recent dispiriting discourse. We remember him for his ability to ruin Joe's short-lived commentary career by appending like 6 corrections to an op-ed Joe wrote. Seethe, seethe!

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Our delicate lady professor is living up to every feminine stereotype by seething at Jesse Singal and his masculine ability to understand statistics. TRANSWOMEN ARE WOMEN!!!

 

[White-Kettle Shufflepunk]

I love the idea that Jesse Singal is like, this outlandish figure. "Okay, so get this, there's this Jewish-American science journalist who wrote sympathetically about trans and detrans people, and he has questions about an extremely young medical field that hasn't produced much concrete data in favour of itself right. Oh, and he also has a podcast where he laughs about internet people instead of treating them like enlightened moral supermen! Isn't that wacky? Doesn't he know how great cutting and drugging and fucking kids is!"

It's not like Jesse Singal really has a clip akin to Ben Shapiro stone-facedly talking about "WAP" under his belt. He's a pretty sober, even-talking guy with a functional sense of humour about himself.

This isn't by accident of course. The reason Jesse Singal, J.K Rowling, and other deeply moderate voices get made into these inhuman boogymen(x) is to say "No, we will not let you critque even the most patently absurd or repulsive aspects of our agenda. We will ruin your life if we do. The only way you can pull through is if you're a canny, well connected journalist or literally the most popular children's author alive."

 

[Karen™]

Someone in the Tranch thread recently gave a great explanation of why Jesse causes such intense seething:

Jessie is a far more pernicious evil. He's scientifically literate and has mentioned taking stats classes for his masters degree. He's willing to go find the actual studies being reported on, read what they actually say, and then swing his 100k follower twitter dick around by asking the journos who lie about this stuff "why are you lying?". This is awful for numerous reasons. First, people might realize that journalists routinely lie to fit preconcieved acceptable narratives. People might realize that trans twitter routinely lies about scientific evidence and and anyone they deem an enemy. Third, people question why you're literally not allowed to even question the narrative that everyone assures you has mountains of data supporting it.
The absolute last thing any activist wants you to do is look into the evidence yourself. You, the stupid moron, are supposed to shut your fucking mouth and be told what the truth is; you are then to blindly believe and repeat the truth until the new updated truth comes out next year.

I feel like this probably applies more to Joe than even the average troon because he believes himself to be the cleverest troon on the whole Internet. He thinks he can "own the transphobes" or whatever with his wet-brained word salad arguments and English literature credentials, and it makes his lardy blood boil that this dorky liberal journalist has the nerve to not even disagree with, but laughingly dismiss him.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

Liars saying "whenever I try to explain to people they think I'm making it up [because I am]" is their version of that Raylan Givens quote about running into assholes all day long. "Nobody believes me when I make up crazy shit about Jesse Singal or TERF Island!"

Also, an ideological tell in Joe's post, he not only thinks Jesse Singal has "control over a major area of social policy" but he thinks an unnamed someone has handed this power to Singal.

 

[David Glowie]

Also, an ideological tell in Joe's post, he not only thinks Jesse Singal has "control over a major area of social policy" but he thinks an unnamed someone has handed this power to Singal.

I have to say, I didn't figure ol' Joe for a "shadowy conspiracy of Jews controlling the world" type.

 

[mold]

I have to say, I didn't figure ol' Joe for a "shadowy conspiracy of Jews controlling the world" type.

at this point I think you have to be an antisemite to work where he works

edit: excuse me, "works"

 

[Trianon]

Someone did a transphobia to Joe's face, and it appears he backed down in cowardly fashion. Didn't even cut them out of his life.

First he posted an excerpt of an interview with New Yorker editor David Remnick and Masha Gessen.

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Today’s New Yorker conversation between David Remnick and Masha Gessen predictably whiffs the “legacy center-left media discuss your nice liberal trans take without making other trans people sound like illiterate children” challenge, to literally nobody’s surprise. It must be nice to be so white, rich, masc and institutionally insulated that you can afford to be devilishly appreciative of the waggish bon mots of a hate movement that is targeting primarily trans *women*. Good to know where Gessen’s commitments are. (Or, rather, gross.)​

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Gessen's deal:

Gessen is nonbinary and trans and uses they/them pronouns.[4][5] Gessen has written extensively on LGBT rights.[6] Described as "Russia's leading LGBT rights activist,"[7] they have said that for many years they were "probably the only publicly out gay person in the whole country."[8] They now live in New York with their wife and children.[9] (Wikipedia)

"Never opt into masc privilege" - Joe Lavery, married to a person of white, rich, masc and institutionally insulated experience

Anyway.

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of course experiences differ, but I think the more relevant differences are often in who we answer to. in MG’s case the answer seems clearly not to be other trans people. the inability to let go of this very petty conflict in a major pub or to extend a modicum of charity to her interlocutors certainly bodes ill for all of us that are inevitably going to be spoken for by this person who likely would never have had any voice at all if they had the courage to transition when the rest of us did. are differences of experience worth something or aren’t they?

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@jackie_ess yes, absolutely—i think that’s a difference of emphasis rather than of kind; there aren’t (as far as I can think of) any other rich, white, trans masculine authors with anything like Gessen’s institutional security, and I agree with your implicit explanation of the fact. I’ve been at this panel at Harvard for the last few days on “the responsibility of the public intellectual”—if it’s any consolation, which it probably shouldn’t be, embarrassment over the designation was pretty much the only thing the speakers had in common. a formulation began to emerge towards the end about “responsibility to whom,” the point being (in re. Gramsci, obviously) that it only makes sense to talk about responsibility in relation to particular social constituencies with shared interests. I was the only tw there, and possibly the only f*g of any kind, and it did make me realize that I don’t know how to talk to cishet people anymore, and I do so quite rarely. I experience most of my antagonisms and disagreements being with other queer and trans people, or did until recently, but I suppose that’s a sign of accountability? generalized annoyance and a feeling of being misunderstood and underrated—at least I want to be understood by the qu**rs; mostly I want my straight colleagues to back the fuck off at this point. anywayyyyyyy

I love Jackie's phrase: "the courage to transition when the rest of us did." Palpable jealousy that suggests Gessen had greater privilege as a woman than a man. EDIT: Although why does Jackie keep using female pronouns for Masha? And Joe just lets THAT slide. I KNOW THE ANSWER, I KNOW, PICK ME.

Joe: "I don't know how to talk to cishet people anymore. ... mostly I want my straight colleagues to back the fuck off at this point."

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@jackie_ess for what it's worth I was arguably one of masha's "cancellers." my responses to her had absolutely nothing to do with their takes on DC [ @Trianon's note: "Dave Chappelle" ] . I was rather disturbed by the incredibly disrespectful and outright transphobic way that they treated a friend who criticized their new yorker piece on trans healthcare for kids. this occurred in public for all to see. I would like it on record that my dislike of MG doesn't come from being scandalized by dirty words but from experiencing their public behaviour and useless-at-best engagements, which consist of asserting at nauseam that no one has appreciated the terrible subtlety of it all, but drawing nothing useful from that subtlety. just the purest empty condescension. I'm sure I think this because I don't know what it's like to be a real woman

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@jackie_ess i remember. i think i was probably one of the cancelers too, and i couldn’t fucking stand that awful condescension towards our friend. happy now to “cancel” (or maybe just criticize!!) the shitty Chappelle take.

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feel free to reply with names of trans journalists that @newyorkermag could consider employing if it wants to begin cleaning up the mess their most visibly and risibly queer commentator is smearing all over their brand.​

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It is then that Joe claims he was compared to Rachel Dolezal by a "senior colleague" who "has edited" Joe's work and been cited by him. Maybe we can figure out who?​

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grace.lavery.pangolin​

am i in a scrappy mood because today a senior colleague I like, admire, and have cited (and who has edited me) asked me in public how “what you are doing” is any different from rachel dole all [ @Trianon's note: "dolezal" ], before telling me that j k rowling has been unfairly maligned? yes.​

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@grace.lavery.pangolin what in the ever loving WHAT?? even leaving ol’ Rachel aside which is tough to do, the second position is horseshit! actually much much stinkier!!​

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@grace.lavery.pangolin what the fucking fuck.​

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@grace.lavery.pangolin i don’t want to complain too much about this. the comments really came from a lack of exposure on the issue—colleague in question read that batshit JKR dickriding in the Times, and took it at face value. I’m sure I’ve done the same when reading journalistic framings of subjects I didn’t much understand. And as I said to someone else after, I’d rather have people ask the question than not, since I’m always assuming any room I address has some people in it who want to ask Dolezal and/or Rowling questions, and they’re both quite easy to answer, as it goes. And the colleague in question listened respectfully and warmly to my responses and we parted on good terms. But yes, I guess it also makes me feel a bit glassy, and then I get mad at Masha Gessen.​

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[monstrous bubo]

What an appalling comparison. Rachel Dolezal should sue.

 

[FarmVille]

Woe is the plight of the heterosexual man who attempts to queer his attraction to women

 

[Risky Horse Business]

"telling me that j k rowling has been unfairly maligned? yes."

YES JOE.

YES.

You fraud. Even your colleagues can't hide their contempt for you. You pretend to want a discussion, but you can't hackeven the most minor of disagreement.
Fucking fraud.

 

[3MMA]

“there aren’t (as far as I can think of) any other rich, white, trans masculine authors with anything like Gessen’s institutional security, and I agree with your implicit explanation of the fact.” ~Joe quote

He loves to debase & demean Mallory. Guess Joe’s get outta jail free card is use of “institutional security” regarding Gessen being of The New Yorker vs other rich, white, troon man authors such as his wife who fits that description to the letter, but besides an old hit book, only has her ChatnerShit substack and continues fail-writing in a myopic downward spiral of drivel. Institutional security is a ridiculous phrase to describe his current villain of the hour. The gender cult like to slap the words “institutional” and “structural” onto their arguments to beef them up, to try to alleviate any questioning of their (almost always faulty) reasoning & arguments. What petty webs these troon weave, nice find.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

I love how fucking assblasted he is because some chick said she thought Dave Chappelle's trans jokes were actually funny and transgressive. She assumed good faith on Chappelle's part and found a good natured reading of what he was trying to say that she thought was clever and insightful to the trans condition despite his being cis. And Joe (and some other loser) simply cannot allow this.

Even though it's an interview with some nobody in The New Yorker so literally nobody gives a shit except bougie faggots like Joe. "But, like, the systems *long anguished drag* I can't stand the hegemony."

 

[Trianon]

He loves to debase & demean Mallory. Guess Joe’s get outta jail free card is use of “institutional security” regarding Gessen being of The New Yorker vs other rich, white, troon man authors such as his wife who fits that description to the letter, but besides an old hit book, only has her ChatnerShit substack and continues fail-writing in a myopic downward spiral of drivel. Institutional security is a ridiculous phrase to describe his current villain of the hour. The gender cult like to slap the words “institutional” and “structural” onto their arguments to beef them up, to try to alleviate any questioning of their (almost always faulty) reasoning & arguments. What petty webs these troon weave, nice find.

Mallory may not have a regular gig, but she's been published numerous times in The New Yorker! So if not institutionally protected, she's institutionally celebrated. As far as the cultural reach of The New Yorker actually goes, which as @AirdropShitposts says, isn't far beyond the literal block where the offices are located.

literally nobody gives a shit except bougie faggots like Joe

grace.lavery.pangolin

me in my first Viv, c. 2004. nb the Derrida button, gay ass shoulders, and cheekbones you could cut a line with​

grace.lavery.pangolin​

also eyelashes and dsl… would you fuck me? i’d fuck me

I thought, why is Joe posting pictures of himself at 21 (self-reported)? And then I got my answer.




Mallory weighs in on Masha Gessen.
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Mallory weighs in on Jesse Singal.
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lmao

 

[FarmVille]

Mallory may not have a regular gig, but she's been published numerous times in The New Yorker! So if not institutionally protected, she's institutionally celebrated. As far as the cultural reach of The New Yorker actually goes, which as @AirdropShitposts says, isn't far beyond the literal block where the offices are located.

The Toast was a huge, huge deal, completely ubiquitous with a certain subsection of millennial gen x/cusp women. Everyone I knew was familiar with The Toast, I used to have articles from that site bookmarked. Then she met Joe.

Edit to add I think very few former readers have any idea what she’s up to now or who her husband is. I regularly read The Toast for years and if I hadn’t been on KF I wouldn’t.

 

[Dr. Butt]

21-year-old Joe is fat and does not have cheekbones.

ETA: Mal and Muna wouldn't last 5 minutes as women in Eastern Europe. It's ridiculous how troons turn on actual "marginalized groups" for their precious coom.