Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Butterschmalz said:
Yeah just like the churches ...."a couple of bailouts along the way"...thats why they relocate the visitors to some beer halls...cant afford the heating bills...
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Churches have a real problem, its incredible expensive to heat those old buildings.

But that doesnt change the fact that Galeria was dead long before this war.

Butterschmalz said:
I wonder how the saunas and swimming pools are doing?
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It killed all the bad Saunas while the good ones are still open and barely more expensive. same for swimming pools.

The real issue are in the industrial sector and some of the cutbacks will kill thousands of people in africa,,,
 
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NeoGAF Lurker said:
The twist here is that the West knows Ukraine can never pay it back. So when Ukraine inevitably says they can’t handle the payments, the West will be there with even more humiliating concessions in lieu of payment. There will be more globohomo, more corruption, and they’ll be forced to have a bunch of missiles, military bases, etc. right up against the Russian border. Every last bit of Ukrainian wealth will be looted and handed over to Jewish oligarchs. There is no scenario here where Ukraine will be better off after the war than before.
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The only counter I've received to this is that 'its better than Russia genociding' and its kind of like, 'have you been paying attention to what the US does to its 'friendly' countries?"

At least Russia has a cultural connection. Ukraine will be treated like the African Cobalt miners like the French do, where they're forced to pay back loans with their natural resources and are forced to use a French-backed currency that is basically corporate script with France enriching themselves. That's the fate of Ukraine. There's a reason why capitalists like this are called 'vulture capitalists', because they like to pick apart countries that are in debt piece by piece.

Blackrock and Vanguard are already stroking their erections at 'rebuilding' Ukraine. Meanwhile people think its going to be like a Western first-world country when in reality it will be ripped apart just like every other country capitalists march into to 'save'. The CEO of Nestle, who infamously has control over water in a lot of third world nations and employs basically a militia to enforce its control over it, has said 'potable water is not a human right'. That is, clean water for bathing, drinking and cleaning. The basic unit of survival, is not a human right. And Nestle has a very high ESG score. That's the fate of the Ukraine.
 
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Secret Asshole said:
At least Russia has a cultural connection. Ukraine will be treated like the African Cobalt miners like the French do, where they're forced to pay back loans with their natural resources and are forced to use a French-backed currency that is basically corporate script with France enriching themselves. That's the fate of Ukraine. There's a reason why capitalists like this are called 'vulture capitalists', because they like to pick apart countries that are in debt piece by piece.
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Well it will not be as bad as in africa, there will be strict safeguards for chemicals, you cant poison the black sea or destroy all the valuable Lebensraum.
We need that to farm Corn for our Ethanol powered cars and heaters..
 
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Secret Asshole said:
At least Russia has a cultural connection. Ukraine will be treated like the African Cobalt miners like the French do, where they're forced to pay back loans with their natural resources and are forced to use a French-backed currency that is basically corporate script with France enriching themselves.
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Russia is pumping money into Crimea and now Mariupol like there is no tomorrow. Same goes for Chechnya, another formerly war-torn country. For all of its government corruption and (relative) poverty, Russia is not stingy when it comes to buttering up its new subjects. This tends to piss off the old ones, but oh well.
 
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Secret Asshole said:
The only counter I've received to this is that 'its better than Russia genociding' and its kind of like, 'have you been paying attention to what the US does to its 'friendly' countries?"

At least Russia has a cultural connection. Ukraine will be treated like the African Cobalt miners like the French do, where they're forced to pay back loans with their natural resources and are forced to use a French-backed currency that is basically corporate script with France enriching themselves. That's the fate of Ukraine. There's a reason why capitalists like this are called 'vulture capitalists', because they like to pick apart countries that are in debt piece by piece.

Blackrock and Vanguard are already stroking their erections at 'rebuilding' Ukraine. Meanwhile people think its going to be like a Western first-world country when in reality it will be ripped apart just like every other country capitalists march into to 'save'. The CEO of Nestle, who infamously has control over water in a lot of third world nations and employs basically a militia to enforce its control over it, has said 'potable water is not a human right'. That is, clean water for bathing, drinking and cleaning. The basic unit of survival, is not a human right. And Nestle has a very high ESG score. That's the fate of the Ukraine.
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When you can't provide things for yourself, you get them on the terms of the people who can. Ironically, at least to Western "empire is bad!!!" ears, the best deal Ukraine could probably get at this point is to become fully incorporated into Russia.
 
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102 said:
When you check out the #NAFO tag on Twitter and see that every single last one of the holhol simps are literally trannies this stops being surprising. This is the universal troon internet mandate, they all act the same.

Alternative example are the accounts that post on r/Ukraine r/NonCredibleDefense on reddit - prepare your eyes for the grossest stinky pedophile troons you've ever seen. Every single one.
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Troons or flaming homosexuals (Lazerpig comes to mind) or leftist ex military types (see the Goats Ganders and Guns dweeb on Twitter) and journalism dorks like Spaghetti Kozak (yeah Buddy you're totally on the Frontline in Ukraine for almost a year, amazing that you tweet almost daily from an active warzone oh wait....)
 
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The Ugly One said:
When you can't provide things for yourself, you get them on the terms of the people who can. Ironically, at least to Western "empire is bad!!!" ears, the best deal Ukraine could probably get at this point is to become fully incorporated into Russia.
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I mean, the US is paying for:

> Infrastructure
> Security
> Government Salaries
> Government Pensions

People just plug their ears. This isn't for free, there's going to come a time when that bill is due and that is never a pleasant one. Fuck, there were articles that were like, maybe a couple of months ago saying Blackrock and Vanguard are eager for the war to end to start the 'rebuilding process'.

Ok, they're not Russia, but they have 0 connection to your history or culture. The West doesn't care, the neo-liberal and neo-conservative ideology is to liquidate all culture, Americanize, franchise it and rake in money from it. And re-invest the barest minimum to keep the host country alive so they can parasitize it.

All politicians in the country will be tools and simps, most likely from the minority who have 0 power and are willing to sell out (see: Northern Alliance). You don't need to look far and hard to see what happens to beneficiaries of these kind of Western loans. From the ME, to Eastern Europe, to South America, to Africa. Everywhere this happens gets fucked.

Wars are terrible, and the loss of life has been catastrophic and Russia IS the aggressor, but at this point the only sane thing to do is to come to the table. The sanctions aren't working, you're in an eternal meatgrinder that has benefitted the enemy more than you, you're on the verge of a massive hit to morale (both from the West and your own forces), there's a banking and inflation crisis on...time is just ticking down for Ukraine and not for Russia.

The magic counter-offensive and miraculous weapons of war aren't going to come and aren't going to work. But this is a Western proxy war, so it only ends when Washington says it does or the country totally collapses.
 
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The Ugly One said:
When you can't provide things for yourself, you get them on the terms of the people who can. Ironically, at least to Western "empire is bad!!!" ears, the best deal Ukraine could probably get at this point is to become fully incorporated into Russia.
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This was why Russia was so reluctant to destroy infrastructure in the early days of the war: if they annexed the territory, they’re on the hook to rebuild it.
Bog-standard Poster said:
Strange how the media never brings up how much free food Russia gives to the starvin' countries in Africa.

They don't even need Bono or an elite concert to do so either!
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The media completely memoryholed how Russia/Wagner defeated the West in proxy skirmishes in Mali and the Central African Republic. African countries are starting to prefer the Russians because they don’t force legalizing gay marriage like the west.
Secret Asshole said:
Ok, they're not Russia, but they have 0 connection to your history or culture.
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Their ancestors definitely do and they got some scores to settle that date back to pogroms and further back to the Chmielnicki Uprising in the 17th century:

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Letting BlackRock and their ilk handle the rebuilding like letting a bunch of starving foxes inside the henhouse. The very best scenario unfortunately is Ukrainians getting the fuck out. If Ukrainians fight back, then it’ll be time for another color revolution.

With friends like America, who needs enemies?
 
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Russian MOD publishes footage of downing American UAV above Black Sea, Kherson raccoon says "Hurray for Russian beer!"​

Jack Posobiec has been dunking on the Biden admin, noting we let a Chinese spy balloon wander around for a week, Russia took out a spy drone right away (not really but still),

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