Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[TheCakeIsALie]

It would be from 2 separate eggs.

Are you referring to fraternal twins? I am referring to how identical twins can develop genetic mutations where one is affected and the other is not. I am sick right now so I apologize if I sound dumb,

Here is the source and wording I am referring to

Do Identical Twins Have the Same DNA? Research Says Not Quite

At a genetic level, identical twins don't have the same DNA. Here's why.

www.healthline.com

 

[Flourishing Pinecone ❧]

Are you referring to fraternal twins? I am referring to how identical twins

yeah I know, but for significant genetic mutations like trisomies it would be separate eggs (referring to the original post below)

Fraternal twins don’t share any more dna than non-twin siblings.

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

yeah I know, but for significant genetic mutations like trisomies it would be separate eggs (referring to the original post below)

Oohhhh okay yeah, I understand what you mean now.

ETA: wouldn’t mitotic nondisjunction also cause it? (

While very rare in twins, I suppose it’s possible. This would also mean it’s mosaic DS. (Versus meitoic disjunction)

 

[Adrenochrome Dreams]

Iirc, it has to do with the timing of the egg splitting. Earlier twinning splits mean that each zygote has more time to form DNA independently as it continues to grow, leading to a higher chance of mutations.

Eggs can split anywhere between days 3 and 13. Twins formed in the two cell split state are the most likely to develop genetic mutations, this would be at day 3.

But the later identical twins split, the more likely they are to share a placenta and amniotic sack (risks strangulation in the womb from each others' umbilical cords), or even being cojoined twins if they split too late..

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

But the later identical twins split, the more likely they are to share a placenta and amniotic sack (risks strangulation in the womb from each others' umbilical cords), or even being cojoined twins if they split too late..

That’s true. The human body is honestly wild. You have stuff like de novo mutations where nothing is genetic but you get a random occurrence of something. Then you have once in a lifetime stuff like sirenomelia or a Brooke Greenberg situation where there’s absolutely no answer and no identifiable cause, and a clinician is very unlikely to see another case of it in their career.

 

[Rupin]

Fraternal twins don’t share any more dna than non-twin siblings.

they can even have different dads

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

they can even have different dads

Chimerism as well. Two different sets of dna, because how it happens in one twin dies and is absorbed. It’s called tetragametic chimerism.

 

[GreenHell]

Chimerism as well. Two different sets of dna, because how it happens in one twin dies and is absorbed. It’s called tetragametic chimerism.

There was a case in 2002 involving a woman named Lydia Fairchild, who had this very condition. She applied for child support for her two children, and ended up being investigated for kidnapping after blood tests showed that (while her ex-husband was the father of her children) she wasn't their mother. Even though she carried them, gave birth to them, and her name was on the birth certificate, her children didn't share her genetics.

The criminal investigation began while Fairchild was pregnant with her third child; after her third child was born with the police stationed outside her hospital room, and blood tests showed that the newborn also wasn't a genetic match, she was accused of "surrogacy fraud". Finally, her defense attorney read in a medical journal about a case in Boston, where a woman was discovered to have chimerism after getting a kidney transplant. Lydia had recently had a growth removed from a lymph node removed, so they tested that tissue (along with tissue from her cervix), and got a genetic match. It turned out the mother of her children was actually her unborn twin sister.

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

There was a case in 2002 involving a woman named Lydia Fairchild, who had this very condition. She applied for child support for her two children, and ended up being investigated for kidnapping after blood tests showed that (while her ex-husband was the father of her children) she wasn't their mother. Even though she carried them, gave birth to them, and her name was on the birth certificate, they didn't share her genetics.

The criminal investigation began while she was pregnant with her third child; after her third child was born with the police stationed outside her hospital room, and blood tests showed that the newborn also wasn't a genetic match, she was accused of "surrogacy fraud". Finally, her defense attorney read in a medical journal about a case in Boston where a woman was discovered to be a chimera after getting a kidney transplant; Lydia had recently had a lymph node removed, so they tested that tissue (along with tissue from her cervix) and got a match. It turned out the mother of her children was actually her unborn twin sister.

Wild, right?

I'll never forget the Patricia Stallings case. Woman was accused of poisoning and killing her child with antifreeze. She was in jail and had another kid, who showed up positive too with having antifreeze in the body. Turns out it was MMA. Methylmalonic acidemia. The second child lived to be 23, probably died from complications. It's recessive so it takes both parents in order to get the disease.

 

[GenociderSyo]

If this child really has locked-in syndrome and it is not just a cope for the parents that is fucking horrible to think of. I've only heard of adults with it and they were more capable of communication then he appears to be.

 

[Cryptosporidium 136]

I didn’t watch the whole thing yet but these two parts stood out to me:



“He’s not himself, but at least I still *have* him.”


And referring to shortly after his accident:




He doesn’t really “move.” His chest heaves once in a while but I think it’s just the trach. His eyes kinda roll around but that’s it.

She claims he got a qEEG that showed activity when she talked. People who know shit (i.e Geno and Thomas), any insight? God I hope they family’s of shit, it’s pretty horrible to imagine being trapped like that. No one would want to live life that way, especially not a little kid.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

It says he was normal until 2020, when he got an anoxic brain injury from near-drowning. I wonder if they have an official diagnosis of locked in syndrome. I think that is from something that affects the parts of the brain that control movement but not cognition. I don't think an anoxic injury could be selective like that.
I think he is potato and his caregivers are coping. They should have all kinds of brain imaging if he's really diagnosed, not just an EEG. They probably are scared to know the extent of the damage.
The NIH says:

Locked-in syndrome is caused by any lesion affecting the ventral pons, and midbrain; this includes vascular lesions, masses, infections, traumas, and demyelinating disorders. The most common cause is a vascular complication in the form of a hemorrhagic or ischemic stroke.

It mentions 2 brain areas being damaged that causes it but I'm pretty sure anoxic injury from near-drowning would cause global (all areas) brain damage.
CHOC says:

The parts of the brain that control thinking and memory are the first areas of the brain to be harmed as a result of oxygen deprivation. Physicians believe that brain damage begins to occur after about five minutes of oxygen deprivation.

This could be bad news for his level of consciousness. Thinking and memory are essential for consciousness. Think of an end-stage dementia patient who doesn't know what utensils are for and can only communicate by moaning.
If he really has locked in syndrome from near drowning and that is caused by damage to the ventral pons and midbrain, it presumably means it would have had to get through his "thinking" brain parts first.

 

[NerdShamer]

She claims he got a qEEG that showed activity when she talked. People who know shit (i.e Geno and Thomas), any insight?

Basically, nearly every part of your body is paralyzed, but you're still aware of what's going on around you because it shouldn't affect your cognitive abilities.

I'm not watching the vid, but if Malibu Ken or the parents never made an attempt to communicate with him; then someone's being lazy.

Of course, it all depends on which parts of his brain was damaged

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

Basically, nearly every part of your body is paralyzed, but you're still aware of what's going on around you because it shouldn't affect your cognitive abilities.

She says he was born normal but survived a near-drowning event in 2020. Google says the cognitive parts of the brain (thinking and memory) are affected first by oxygen deprivation aka an anoxic event. I agree, as far as I know it can only be locked in if you're completely paralyzed but fully conscious.
Imagine not even paying for the interview about something so fucking horrible and traumatic, and profiting off this tragedy. Malibu Ken is a demon wearing a flesh suit. This is what a near-drowning incident took from this family:


Feel bad for him being named "Talon" though. Like a bird?
Video description says:

Talon was resuscitated after his heart stopped while drowning for 10 minutes.

The source I posted said that damage starts around 5 minutes and starts with the cognitive part of the brain. I don't think he could be a fully mentally normal person unable to communicate. In the video, his mom said he was underwater for "at least" 10, she estimated 10-15. His heart stopped as well and he had to be revived.

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

She says he was born normal but survived a near-drowning event in 2020. Google says the cognitive parts of the brain (thinking and memory) are affected first by oxygen deprivation aka an anoxic event. I agree, as far as I know it can only be locked in if you're completely paralyzed but fully conscious.
Imagine not even paying for the interview about something so fucking horrible and traumatic, and profiting off this tragedy. Malibu Ken is a demon wearing a flesh suit. This is what a near-drowning incident took from this family:

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Feel bad for him being named "Talon" though. Like a bird?
Video description says:

The source I posted said that damage starts around 5 minutes and starts with the cognitive part of the brain. I don't think he could be a fully mentally normal person unable to communicate. In the video, his mom said he was underwater for "at least" 10, she estimated 10-15. His heart stopped as well and he had to be revived.

At 1 min, brain cells begin to die. At 3 mins, you’re looking at brain damage. 10, many brain cells are dead, recovery unlikely. 15 mins, recovery is impossible.

This is why cpr is very important and yes you may break ribs but broken ribs is better than brain damage.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

The only kind of testing they shared as proof that he's still "in there" is a QEEG, which seems to be done by naturopaths a lot when I looked it up and major professional associations do not recommend it for assessing brain injury patients:

Several QEEG products have received Class 2 FDA medical device clearance and the method has received some medical acceptance for use in epilepsy patients. However QEEG has not been endorsed by the American Academy of Neurology or the American Clinical Neurophysiology Society.

Quantitative electroencephalography - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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I'm sensing major denial here. I'm not a medfag but the test sounds woo territory for this purpose and it's their only proof he's "in there". The dad is not in the video for whatever reason.
He was the one driving an ATV on the family's farm when he swerved to avoid hitting their cow that liked chasing the ATV. He drove into the pond and the kid's arm was trapped by the seat belt, keeping him underwater all that time.

 

[Shitted Scaredless]

If this child really has locked-in syndrome and it is not just a cope for the parents that is fucking horrible to think of. I've only heard of adults with it and they were more capable of communication then he appears to be.

I forgot locked-in syndrome exists and now I'm not going to be able to sleep again.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

I forgot locked-in syndrome exists and now I'm not going to be able to sleep again.

I don't think this kid has it, he was trapped underwater for 15 mins. He's a potato.
But yeah, it is horrifying to imagine and shitty that it exists.

 

[Chinead O’Beezer]

They didn’t mention if he could respond meaningfully with his eyes. Usually those that are locked in can communicate with their eyes. They also mentioned him rolling over on his own and squeezing hands which would eliminate him being locked-in. My guess is he is too brain damaged to ever function normally and has little to no awareness yet not brain dead enough for the doctors to encourage just letting him die. Or maybe they did and the family just didn’t admit it. According to them doctors suggested putting him in a home.
That grandma made me want to crawl out of my skin and run away screaming with the way she was nonstop stroking him.

 

[Flourishing Pinecone ❧]

I forgot locked-in syndrome exists and now I'm not going to be able to sleep again.

Not exactly locked in syndrome, but Guillain-Barre can basically do the same thing - flaccid paralysis that starts after an infection (often gastrointestinal illness) or immunisation, caused by your immune system attacking your nerves.

Usually people get lower limb weakness, and if recognised and treated with IVIg (immune antibodies) can resolve with a lot of Physiotherapy.
But if you're really unlucky, it can go all the way up to your neck and leave you completely aware but unable to move a muscle, not even breathe. Again, it can resolve but it's a very not fun time in the meantime.