Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[namai337]

We jest but there may be videographic evidence suggesting that Zelensky has posession of the necronomicon. Ukie gets shot in the head, gets back up, then wastes dude who shot him.

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There's a cut in there so could be deceptively edited but if it isn't that helmet is a holy relic or some shit.

German helmets man also good helmet saves lives

 

[draggs]

German helmets man also good helmet saves lives

Had to have been a glancing hit, there's no helmet in the world that can stop a rifle round that hits square

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

Both sides are using old ass Maxim M1910 (Model 1910) machine guns

WW1 vintage shit lol

For Ukraine, that's all they have.
For Russia, that's all they have!?

 

[That_Guy]

Both sides are using old ass Maxim M1910 (Model 1910) machine guns

WW1 vintage shit lol

If it doesn't need to be moved around quickly and you've got them why not? If you've got enough water and ammo to keep them fed they'll run nonstop for just about forever.

 

[Clownish]

Ok so one of the /k/omandos translated entire ukranian intelligence report on t90m and its electronics good read

/k/ - T-90M - "Breakdown" - Weapons - 4chan

T-90M - "Breakdown" - "/k/ - Weapons" is 4chan's imageboard for discussing all types of weaponry, from military tanks to guns and knives.

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The interview itself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVh3D_RzRJE

>The open sources clam that the T-90M was supposed to have new autoloader and turret ammo bustle. Were they implemented?

The autoloader is largely identical to the one on the T-72. 22 rounds in the carousel and 18 additional rounds in the turret bustle. BUT THE BUSTLE ISN’T CONNECTED TO THE CREW COMPARTMENT. A CREWMAN HAS TO PHYSICALLY GET OUT OF THE TANK TO PASS THE AMMUNITION INSIDE (translator’s note: LMAO). This is unrealistic to do during battle, de facto forcing the tank to retreat to reload the carousel. There are also concerns about the autoloader reliability, considering it’s an old design with minimal changes.

>How well do T-90M’s intercom systems work?

We discovered they often doesn’t work. For the longest time, we didn’t quite understand why do russians have communication problems when in use. During testing we learned that it’s afraid of moisture, as it’s not hermetically sealed. There are big temperature drops inside the tank. The moisture condenses on electronics resulting in all sorts of problems. Even the new ones look like they’ve been in use since the 70’s.



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[Pocket Dragoon]

The autoloader is largely identical to the one on the T-72. 22 rounds in the carousel and 18 additional rounds in the turret bustle. BUT THE BUSTLE ISN’T CONNECTED TO THE CREW COMPARTMENT. A CREWMAN HAS TO PHYSICALLY GET OUT OF THE TANK TO PASS THE AMMUNITION INSIDE...

For Ukraine, that's all they have.

What's old is new again:

Both sides are using old ass Maxim M1910 (Model 1910) machine guns

If it doesn't need to be moved around quickly and you've got them why not? If you've got enough water and ammo to keep them fed they'll run nonstop for just about forever.

And then there's this:

 

[not william stenchever]

To be fair if you have spare Maxims lying around and you need equipment they're probably suitable in a defensive role. Which means they are way less useful for the Russians.

 

[Clownish]

Title: 3rd Brigade fights near Bakhmut: round-the-clock assaults, zombie wagner, fire contact at a distance of several meters.

They blow up a small remote controlled vehicle on a wagner position at 22:25 min.

 

[Ghostse]

I'm iffy on the 5:1 claim, but I do suspect the Russians are suffering far more losses than the Ukranians. Human wave tactics on entrenched defenders usually aren't good for keeping your people alive.

I find the 5:1 also very suspect. I also feel that there's probably a bit of statistics gaming going on; not counting artillery casualities that weren't part of an assault, etc.

And even if accurate (or nearly so) I image a lot of those Russian KIA are just empty prison beds, not even mobliks.

Both sides are using old ass Maxim M1910 (Model 1910) machine guns

WW1 vintage shit lol

If it doesn't need to be moved around quickly and you've got them why not? If you've got enough water and ammo to keep them fed they'll run nonstop for just about forever.

To be fair if you have spare Maxims lying around and you need equipment they're probably suitable in a defensive role. Which means they are way less useful for the Russians.

@That_Guy & @not william stenchever have it right: if its been maintained, and the crew is trained, maxim is still a fine defensive weapon.

Primary downsides is the motherfucker is HEAVY, and the water-cooling jacket means you need keep it well hydrated because barrel changes are very difficult. And I also recall you need someone who isnt' going to just try to run a belt and jam it up. If you get someone with trigger discipline its fine.

The upside to the weight is that you can have beefy, powerful rounds and the recoil is manageable by a single operator.

Also the gun was invented in 1884.

 

[Jewthulhu]

@That_Guy & @not william stenchever have it right: if its been maintained, and the crew is trained, maxim is still a fine defensive weapon.

Primary downsides is the motherfucker is HEAVY, and the water-cooling jacket means you need keep it well hydrated because barrel changes are very difficult. And I also recall you need someone who isnt' going to just try to run a belt and jam it up. If you get someone with trigger discipline its fine.

The upside to the weight is that you can have beefy, powerful rounds and the recoil is manageable by a single operator.

Also the gun was invented in 1884.

Yeah, a gun is a gun. I'd imagine you'd still rather use the NSV or Kord though.

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

So now that the ICC has declared a warrant for his arrest, is Putler finished?

 

[Standardized Profile]

What I want to know is what exactly they expect to find? US drones are designed to be expendable. It's not like they are going to find the schematics to an F22 on the damn thing. That assuming they even find anything at all as it probably broke apart into tiny pieces on impact.

Pravda (v Pravdye ni pravda) [archive] wrote a story about it. Machine translated:

03/16/2023 09:38

Race for the Reaper: Russia is in a hurry to raise the drone, USA — steal it​

5:01

Peace [lol -- мир]
Americans are trying to prevent Russian experts from getting UAV debris that crashed over the Black Sea. Fallen drone MQ-9 Reaper lies, judging by official statements, at approximately SWtW-WSW from Chersonesos at a depth of about 1,500 m.

Experts believe that under Sevastopol, with a high degree of probability, not the old "Ringer" crashed, but the "top" MQ-9 Reaper Block 5 — so Russia has a great opportunity to get the latest modification, which works with the latest software and updated intelligence modules.

This information will be at least curious not only in Moscow, but also skillfully building combat and intelligence drones in Beijing with Tehran. In a similar situation in Africa, the US military decided to break the UAV worth more than $ 50 million just to exclude the possibility of it falling into the wrong hands.

Russia is interested in:

• New technologies in an internal combustion engine that allows you to fly so long and quickly ( most likely, part has already been raised, judging by the negotiations of the first day ).
• Composite cladding materials that are already raised. They can be repeated for Russian UAVs or aircraft.
• Electronics that can be copied ( or given to reverse engineering to China ), especially control systems, communications, "networkers" devices.
• Features of satellite and other communications to understand how to jam such drones.
• Soft. Although the United States says "successfully erase", it is very, very difficult to do this in seconds of falling.

Today, in order to prevent the Russian from lifting and studying the wreckage of the Ripper near Crimea, the United States has several possibilities.

Of course, you can try to agree with Ankara on the passage of part of the warships of the 6th fleet of the US Navy from the Mediterranean to the Black Sea — that is, temporarily cancel the Montreux Convention ( which is considered almost in Turkey the main covenant of ).

Then the appearance of a pair of destroyers of the URO type "Arly Burke" with "Tomagavki" near the search and rescue area would strain the Russian military ( although this happened in the USSR ), but it threatens the Third World in the event of the slightest clash.

And here is a Russian military expert and journalist Ilya Kramnik believes that there are only four options for “who will get” Reaper.

To extract the wreckage of a drone in these conditions can technically:

1. Russia.
2. Turkey.
3. Bulgaria or Romania, having received the appropriate equipment and specialists from "senior comrades".
4. A civilian diving vessel of any arbitrary nation with the appropriate equipment that spills can pass.

"“Any option will mean a particular level of compromise, and in the most likely in these conditions I think either the option“ the parties have not agreed, and we are looking for and raising the wreckage of the apparatus ourselves ”", or the option "will achieve some result of negotiations, the wreckage formally takes a civilian vessel with appropriate equipment for deep-sea work and leaves," — the expert is sure.

Moreover CNN trying to calm the American elite, already demanding "money on the military-industrial complex and the blood of the Russians" for a downed drone.

According to CNN, the drone — is just a "iron", and its drowning allowed "this Russians to show that they are strong". Say, do not bomb the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation secret columns with weapons supplied to Ukraine? And to fly in Crimea in the USA threaten further. True, the Russian Federation has already warned that the answer will be “proportionate”, and any attack on a Russian plane means a declaration of war on a nuclear power.

The journalists also remembered ( more precisely — hinted ) that during the USSR, US pilots fought with Soviet instructors over Vietnam, but secretly. And if the U-2 Paulus was shot down "publicly", then about 40 more US pilots "nobody said". Say, "let's not scream about this"…

Meanwhile, the Minister of Defense of Russia Sergey Shoigu in a conversation with the head of the Pentagon Lloyd Austin indicated that the reason for the UAV fall in the Black Sea was America’s non-compliance with the declared flight restriction zone.

Also, on the initiative of the United States, the head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation phoned Valery Gerasimov and chairman of the US Armed Forces Chiefs of Staff Mark Milli.

In the meantime, the essence and the matter is — according to the ship tracking systems — a floating crane and special units with equipment are already going to get the "flooded"…


Читайте больше на https://www.pravda.ru/world/1811675-dron_mq9_reaper/

Goofy translation aside, the whole thing is funny and dumb. Apparently the drone survived the crash intact enough for them to recover exploitable technology, including software, because the Americans didn't have enough time to zeroize a few bytes of key material. There's just a whole MQ-9 on the sea floor waiting for them to haul it up, turn it back on, and teach it Russian.

 

[draggs]

I find the 5:1 also very suspect. I also feel that there's probably a bit of statistics gaming going on; not counting artillery casualities that weren't part of an assault, etc.

And even if accurate (or nearly so) I image a lot of those Russian KIA are just empty prison beds, not even mobliks.






@That_Guy & @not william stenchever have it right: if its been maintained, and the crew is trained, maxim is still a fine defensive weapon.

Primary downsides is the motherfucker is HEAVY, and the water-cooling jacket means you need keep it well hydrated because barrel changes are very difficult. And I also recall you need someone who isnt' going to just try to run a belt and jam it up. If you get someone with trigger discipline its fine.

The upside to the weight is that you can have beefy, powerful rounds and the recoil is manageable by a single operator.

Also the gun was invented in 1884.

I was laughing because it's funny using a century old weapon (this particular model, some have had red sights attached some not) in this age of incredibly complex weapons and taktiks for using them not because it's disparaging you you you pedants

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

I was laughing because it's funny using a century old weapon (this particular model, some have had red sights attached some not) in this age of incredibly complex weapons and taktiks for using them not because it's disparaging you you you pedants

It will never be as bizarre as seeing WWII-era semi-auto rifles being used by soldiers. Maxim might be crude, but it can still do machine gun's job more or less effectively.
How is Mosin Nagant supposed to compete with even the shittiest of AK? Although we don't see these as often, which is a testament to how practical each of the weapons is on the modern* battlefield.
Kitted out Maxim looks kinda sexy though.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Goofy translation aside, the whole thing is funny and dumb. Apparently the drone survived the crash intact enough for them to recover exploitable technology, including software, because the Americans didn't have enough time to zeroize a few bytes of key material. There's just a whole MQ-9 on the sea floor waiting for them to haul it up, turn it back on, and teach it Russian.

They seriously think there is something special about the drones turbo prop engine? Now that IS funny.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Bakhmut: Russian casualties mount but tactics evolve

The BBC has been given access to positions held by Ukrainian army brigades defending Bakhmut's southern flank.

www.bbc.com

This article from the BBC interviewed some Ukie soldiers and they say that the Russians are sending out the Wagner ex-cons in small groups to get murked so they can figure out the weak spots in fortified positions that the actual soldiers can attack. They are claiming that 7 Russians are getting killed for every 1 Ukrainian death.

I figure they have run out of 18-35 45 65 85 year old cannon fodder combatants from Donbass and Luhansk months ago.

 

[WhiteNight]

So now that the ICC has declared a warrant for his arrest, is Putler finished?

The ICC has made its decision; now let them enforce it.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Both sides are using old ass Maxim M1910 (Model 1910) machine guns

WW1 vintage shit lol

At least both sides ain't the English who used it as an improvised tea kettle at times during WWI.

German helmets man also good helmet saves lives

More likely an English designed helmet as they and Americans had the more current experience of soldiers getting head shotted and surviving without serious injuries during the Iraq and Afganistan shitshows.

 

[No. 7 cat]

The ICC has made its decision; now let them enforce it.

A prematurely deceased Putin is far likelier than Putin at the ICC. There would be so many of the great and the good in Europe (particularly Germany but also Italy, UK, France et al), America and Russia and even Ukraine who would prefer silence from that quarter given how willingly so many took Russian bribes. BoJo's Tories took bribes from Russian oligarchs (maybe just rich men as Putin does share power with the wealthy or care what they think too much, and think of those suicided Gazprom Bank execs) and gave them peerages, yet he lead his party towards full unstinting support for Ukraine.

Realistically Putin is status minded. He visibly loved big power G8 and WEF status and respect. The ICC is a sort of flex from the West to say he's just dog shit.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

More MT-LB-2M-3 monstrosities:

Ukrainian analysis;

the hybrids themselves are assigned to the 155th Marine Brigade of the Pacific Fleet, which suffered devastating losses during attempts to attack Vugledar. But it is noted that the emergence of such hybrids is hardly based on real combat experience and does not take into account several very specific aspects.

It is necessary to start with the guidance mechanism. Because in the original, the 2M-3 installation has a hydraulic system that provides fairly fast rotation of the installation and guidance on the vertical axis. In particular, the speed of rotation is 40 degrees per second. At the same time, the power supply of the hydraulic system itself was calculated on "ship" power, in particular the staffing parameters of the boats, which are set 2M-3 is 380 volts of alternating current, and the system itself requires about 1 kW. At MT-LB, the P-290V generator emits 28 volts and a power of about 4 kW. In theory, of course, this question can be bypassed through the converter, but whether it has been implemented remains an open question. If this has not been implemented, then only manual guidance remains in the calculation, which is quite slow. To this must also be added the system of cooling the barrels, which have a speed of up to 300 shots each, in the original on the ship they have an additional system of water cooling, which in land conditions is quite difficult to implement.

The next question is the ammunition power supply system of automatic guns 110-PM. Ribbons for 65 shells are enclosed in box stores, the replacement of which requires some effort, because they weigh about 50 kg. And in the case of MT-LB, on which the tower is welded as it is, and not deepened into the building - it will be a separate gymnastic-circus number.

Also, the decision to install the tower without additional modifications influenced another important parameter - the center of the masses. The weight of the installation is about 1500 kg, which already flows into the suspension of MT-LB, which is quite strongly begged in the stern. But that's not all, because the center of the masses has shifted quite strongly in the top, which in practice will lead to quite interesting situations when MT-LB with 2M-3 at the stern will go to the mountain. The remains are accompanied by such things as the use of a sector sight, the helplessness of the system in night conditions, the open top of the anti-aircraft installation itself and its booking only from light small arms.

But another question really remains unanswered. Why 2M-3 was chosen to install on MT-LB, although there is a much more "traditional" solution - ZU-23-2. MT-LB with such an anti-aircraft installation is not wild at all and has been widely used for a long time in many armies around the world, including the Russian Federation and not only after February 24, 2022.