Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

A good 'majority" is a statement requiring citation.

Uhhh no, I don't care to find citations. Sorry.

As for "bruteforcing" - that's what is usually required when a former colonizer attempts to leverage the linguistic history into a bludgeon.

Gotta decolonize your mind, my brother.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

Uhhh no, I don't care to find citations. Sorry.

How to tell "I just pull it from own ass" without telling that.

 

[Techpriest Mk II]

Perhaps the US should annex Canada under the same pretenses.

*Canada isn't even a real country
*They kind of act like Americans
*The Chinese are trying to encroach on the US via Canada
*We need a land bridge to Alaska
*Justin Trudeau is a Chinese puppet

Actally this is kind of tempting. Someone in the Pentagon better contract me to type up an O-Plan.

Just roll out War Plan Crimson again.

 

[Melmac_Knight]

A good majority of actual Ukrainians can't speak good Ukrainian, despite the amount of brute forcing of the language that's been happening over the past decade.

a good majority of Russians can't speak good Russian. if you look outside of Moscow and towards Russian Chinaland, barely anyone speaks good Russian

Russification, moving people from Ukraine to deep Russia and moving Russians to Ukraine to replace them between 1919-1991 if you can do the math, you can see that 72 years is more than 32, but then again Ruzzia did nothing wrong Ookraine wanted to be ruzzian they want to live like this

the Russian Dream

 

[draggs]

I guess the partition is gone now?

 

[Vince McMahon]

Uhhh no, I don't care to find citations. Sorry.


Gotta decolonize your mind, my brother.

So at least you've admitted that you tried to bullshit and failed. Good for you that you've admitted that.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Not enough rainbows for the first line.

Thing is, various bold as brass Yugoslav / Serbs various sneered or seethed but nearly all, in fact all are dead or in prison, nearly all dead. We wuz kangs Serb might cry, but it doesn't matter. In fact I see as a clever ploy. It likely will incite Putin & co to blaze defiance and in fact feeds into the general good idea of not interrupting a foe making a mistake. Putin will feel strengthened in what he is doing in wasting the manpower and materiel in an ever shrinking portion of Ukraine. It will neatly further discredit Putin among anyone but his subjects and the powerless. Men of means will come to a realisation eventually that it's Putin or their fortune. Putin will eventually die suddenly, so to speak.

That 'trad wife' adopting a 15 year boy (itself really weird with predator teacher echoes) also highlight a hitherto ignored angle of Russia kidnapping huge numbers of children for that dying empire.


The ICC indictment is both clever and proper to the present order of things.

 

[DumbDude43]

You're forgetting that we're talking about slavs - their similarities and a lot of shared cultural background don't prevent them from hating each other with a passion, as was witnessed throughout history and as we are witnessing right now

it's not slav specific. closely related neighboring peoples have a tendency to hate each others guts all over the world.
examples in europe: french vs germans, french vs english, serbs vs croats
examples in the middle east: jews vs arabs, turks vs kurds, azeris vs armenians
examples in asia: hindus vs pakis, japanese vs koreans, japanese vs chinese

 

[WhiteNight]

Perun drop.

Topic: Retrospective on Russia's winter offensive, such as it was.

 

[Techpriest Mk II]

it's not slav specific. closely related neighboring peoples have a tendency to hate each others guts all over the world.
examples in europe: french vs germans, french vs english, serbs vs croats
examples in the middle east: jews vs arabs, turks vs kurds, azeris vs armenians
examples in asia: hindus vs pakis, japanese vs koreans, japanese vs chinese

Funnily enough the whole Jews Arabs thing only really kicked off after the British mandate in Palestine, when foreign Jews moved in and started agitating for their own state. Most of the native Jewish population had no issues with the Palestinians as ethnically they were identical and didn’t really get on one another’s nerves. Hindus/Pakis is also pretty much a British thing, funnily enough, it’s almost like the British two state solution plans were terribly thought out and executed concepts.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

So at least you've admitted that you tried to bullshit and failed. Good for you that you've admitted that.

I'm not going to spend even minutes of my time trying to prove shit that will just be ignored in favor of the next talking point. Look up census data and see what percentage of Ukrainian citizens claim to speak the language.

 

[DumbDude43]

Funnily enough the whole Jews Arabs thing only really kicked off after the British mandate in Palestine, when foreign Jews moved in and started agitating for their own state. Most of the native Jewish population had no issues with the Palestinians as ethnically they were identical and didn’t really get on one another’s nerves. Hindus/Pakis is also pretty much a British thing, funnily enough, it’s almost like the British two state solution plans were terribly thought out and executed concepts.

south asian muslims (in and around the area of what we now call pakistan) had been waging large scale wars of conquest and subjugation against the hindu states of india for centuries before the britbongs even set foot in the region
arabs were 'fine' with jews when those jews (like other non muslim minorities) lived as subjugated second class citizens under the boot of islamic domination, which again was going on for a very long time (like over a thousand years) before the anglos started taking over

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

Look up census data and see what percentage of Ukrainian citizens claim to speak the language.

Recent shows more than 2/3 of population sees ukrainian language as native language. Census was made in 2001, so on whole Ukraine.

Today this number will be higher - as I proed, ruzzkie language isn't something that normal Slavs understood without learning it as a foreign language. And number of schools teaching ruzzkie was going down since 1991.

So yes, you puled this statment:

A good majority of actual Ukrainians can't speak good Ukrainian, despite the amount of brute forcing of the language that's been happening over the past decade

from nowhere.

And can you do everyone a favor, and just stay with fantasy and imaginery claims in cope thread? Let we have this thread for facts and analyses, and cope thread for fantasy, memes and other shit?

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Russia's strategic bombing of Ukraine's energy infrastructure has failed.
Russia's plan to "freeze Europe" has failed.
Russia's major late winter offensive has stalled.
Russia still has yet to capture fucking Bakhmut.

So of course vatnigs are gonna chimp about "muh language"

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

arabs were 'fine' with jews when those jews (like other non muslim minorities) lived as subjugated second class citizens under the boot of islamic domination

Other factor is that before brittons taked Transjordan number of Jews in Palestine was small. Immigration was huge after 1920.

Case os Israel and Palestine is regular case of having something in ass for long time, a waiting to the moment when shit hits the fan. After 1918 it was a fucktone of options to pick a place for Jews (IDK, French Guyana, Madagascar, some part of Australia, part of Canada - pick one with smallest native population in that time) and to have a Jewish State outside muslim lands. Half of world problems solved.

So of course vatnigs are gonna chimp about "muh language"

And even them - they are failing.

 

[Jewthulhu]

Considering a lot of pro Russians see Ukraine as just "America's money laundering hub" and "The hedonistic West exerting their pressure onto the one country that refuses to go along with their bullshit and their destruction of culture via mass importing of migrants", I think the pro Russia side sees the actions of Putin as a necessary evil at worst. And then there's the shit going on in Moldova and Georgia.

I mean, I get that. I have 3 main issues with that standpoint (other than it being an overly simplistic and conspiratorial view of geopolitics).

1: If they really only think of Russia as a "lesser/necessary evil" it still doesn't explain why they unquestionably and consistently eat up Russian propaganda, even if it makes no sense, as well as excuse/ignore any wrong Russia has done. I have sympathies for the Ukrainians, but if they fuck up and there's confirmation they fucked up I'm not going to pretend it's a 5D chess feint. I'm going to call it a fuckup.

2: Even IF the Ukraine was only the west's money laundering hub and another degenerate puppet, it still doesn't justify a war that has cost hundreds of thousands of lives as well as displaced millions of civilians. That's why I say they're sociopaths. There is no thought for the people affected, only the delusion that this will somehow fix a political issue (or at least stick it to a regime) that hasn't had nearly the same death toll as this conflict. Or, at best, they shift the blame on the west for not surrendering, which is more or less just pure sociopathy disguised as sympathy.

3: Even IF the war is somehow justified, it STILL doesn't justify the rampant war crimes and cultural genocide being perpetrated by Russia. Again, the fact that this is excused, ignored, or dismissed with whataboutisms is pure callousness and is a sign of people so poisoned by ideology they lost the most essential fucking piece of their humanity.

 

[DumbDude43]

After 1918 it was a fucktone of options to pick a place for Jews (IDK, French Guyana, Madagascar, some part of Australia, part of Canada - pick one with smallest native population in that time)

the nsdap was exploring madagascar as an option in the 1930s, they wanted a place where they could deport all the jews from europe, but after some planning they came to the conclusion that the island would not be able to sustain such a large population so they scrapped the idea

 

[WhiteNight]

1: If they really only think of Russia as a "lesser/necessary evil" it still doesn't explain why they unquestionably and consistently eat up Russian propaganda, even if it makes no sense, as well as excuse/ignore any wrong Russia has done. I have sympathies for the Ukrainians, but if they fuck up and there's confirmation they fucked up I'm not going to pretend it's a 5D chess feint. I'm going to call it a fuckup.

That's one thing I don't get about these western or western-situated pro-Russian commentators (The Duran, Lira, Big Serge, MacGregor, etc.). They think Russia can do no wrong and everything is going according to plan. Ukraine is being destroyed and suffering massive casualties while Russia can't stop winning. The supposed Russian fuck-ups and Ukrainian gains are mere western propaganda (or part of a greater Russian strategy), and Russia has barely suffered any losses and is conducting every operation perfectly.

Yet if you listen to Russian ultranationalists such as Igor Girkin or Russian milbloggers or sometimes even Prigozhin, they'll consistently admit that the entire invasion has been a clusterfuck from the start, that the MoD has made a mess out of every other operation, and that there's pervasive command incompetence with thousands of troops lost in senseless and miscarried attacks. They're under no illusions that it's all going smooth as silk.

In short, these western Putin-loving Russiaboos are even more delusional than the zigger vatniks.

 

[Ghostse]

2: Even IF the Ukraine was only the west's money laundering hub and another degenerate puppet, it still doesn't justify a war that has cost hundreds of thousands of lives as well as displaced millions of civilians. That's why I say they're sociopaths. There is no thought for the people affected, only the delusion that this will somehow fix a political issue (or at least stick it to a regime) that hasn't had nearly the same death toll as this conflict. Or, at best, they shift the blame on the west for not surrendering, which is more or less just pure sociopathy disguised as sympathy.

Its not like Russia has any better plans for Ukraine.

I am fully sympathetic to a "sphere of influence" argument - but that's what soft power is for. If the KGB can't out-play the CIA & the Five-eyes in their own backyard ... I dunno what to tell you other than maybe you don't deserve vassal states.

Again, any valid arguments go out the window the minute they sent troops over the border.

Plus, what's the logic of continuing beyond the first week if the goal was to free Ukraine from the tendrils of Globohomo? "We are working to unshackle Ukraine from being financially dominated by the west by ensuring they need to write billions in IOUs to western nations for the weapons to fight us thus having them get even deeper into a debt hole."

That's one thing I don't get about these western or western-situated pro-Russian commentators (The Duran, Lira, Big Serge, MacGregor, etc.). They think Russia can do no wrong and everything is going according to plan. Ukraine is being destroyed and suffering massive casualties while Russia can't stop winning. The supposed Russian fuck-ups and Ukrainian gains are mere western propaganda (or part of a greater Russian strategy), and Russia has barely suffered any losses and is conducting every operation perfectly.

Yet if you listen to Russian ultranationalists such as Igor Girkin or Russian milbloggers or sometimes even Prigozhin, they'll consistently admit that the entire invasion has been a clusterfuck from the start, that the MoD has made a mess out of every other operation, and that there's pervasive command incompetence with thousands of troops lost in senseless and miscarried attacks. They're under no illusions that it's all going smooth as silk.

In short, these western Putin-loving Russiaboos are even more delusional than the zigger vatniks.

Ukraine has the same Soviet Slav problems as Russia in places, but I don't know how you can see who things went down and think Russia hasn't completely mismanaged their invasion. I love when they try to cope behind "Limiting casualties" - when the fuck in the history of ever has Russian Command tried to reduce the body count of an action?

 

[Foltest]

the nsdap was exploring madagascar as an option in the 1930s, they wanted a place where they could deport all the jews from europe, but after some planning they came to the conclusion that the island would not be able to sustain such a large population so they scrapped the idea

The Madagascar plan was planned so that a lot of those who were deported there, would die becauase of starvation, the tempature and diseses.