Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[The Foxtrot]

America can't rain missiles down on Taiwan without suffering massive collatoral damage and if they did, China walk away as the victors.

Short of dropping nukes on China - which wouldn't stop China due to to land mass, the Americans have no option other than end humanity as a whole. I think people would intervene and stop that happening.

Eh, that's not true. Knock out the Three Gorges Dam and hit major Chinese power plants, watch the anthill collapse.

 

[Yak-130 Mitten]

Eh, that's not true. Knock out the Three Gorges Dam and hit major Chinese power plants, watch the anthill collapse.

Destroying the dam would acount to genocide. I wouldnt want to be the one pushing the button. And if previous wars taught us something - attacking civilians wont make them surrender.

ETA nevermind, I just now noticed your username, disregard.

 

[Wahgonga]

But the decay products are beta emitters. Still not convinced DU is a wise, sensible or necessary choice here. I thought the Russians were using old stuff which would be just fine being destroyed by standard shells.

The M829 120mm DU Sabot round is the "standard shell" for engaging enemy tanks. There is no lesser round for lesser tanks. The possibility that the enemy might be equipped with "old stuff" is irrelevant.

If the target is a Softskin/APC, you use a HEAT round, if it's a tank, it's a DU Sabot.

 

[The Foxtrot]

Destroying the dam would acount to genocide. I wouldnt want to be the one pushing the button. And if previous wars taught us something - attacking civilians wont make them surrender.

And? These are Chinamen we're talking about. 1.4 billion of 'em, and they don't care about each other anyway given they're basically insects. It's not "genocide", just pest control.

As far as "attacking civilians won't make them surrender!", kind of hard to want to keep fighting when you're starving, have no clean water, no heat, and there's no hope of relief...unless you throw up a white flag.

ETA nevermind, I just now noticed your username, disregard.

I don't carry nukes, sadly. If I did, I'd be a Golf.

 

[Midwit]

Where do you reckon the T-55s are headed?

How would the west hope to stop China taking Taiwan

The Taiwanese have been preparing for this since they were a country combined with the fact that China lacks a land border which means that it would be a naval war, and China hasn't been too good with that historically speaking.

 

[Yak-130 Mitten]

Where do you reckon the T-55s are headed?

The Taiwanese have been preparing for this since they were a country combined with the fact that China lacks a land border which means that it would be a naval war, and China hasn't been too good with that historically speaking.

Hard to tell, given that the only thing we have is a picture of a T-55 - that doesnt even look like soviet issue - on a flatbed wagon with the entire background scrubbed. If you ask me, this was taken years ago.

 

[LurkTrawl]

How would the west hope to stop China taking Taiwan? We don't have the weaponry and sanctions will hurt us more than it hurts them.

China is incapable of making a landing invasion of Taiwan.

China couldn't take Taiwan if they wanted to, even if the U.S. for some reason didn't get involved. They don't have the tech for the logistical nightmare such an invasion would be.

A lot of people forget that Taiwan is an incredibly mountainous island country with most of it's beaches leading into >60° inclines going up mountainsides. China can't even make an aircraft carrier that doesn't have it's flight deck nearly level with the water, it's not exactly a pressing concern.

Quoting myself from the past because I'm on day 2 of an insomnia attack and too dead-ass tired to explain it better presently than I did here.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

China is incapable of making a landing invasion of Taiwan.

Quoting myself from the past because I'm on day 2 of an insomnia attack and too dead-ass tired to explain it better presently than I did here.

Would they need to invade it? Would a blockade work or cutting off supplies? How about sending a million citizens over and starting a fake riot/coup/revolution and demanding a chink be made head of Taiwan?

Thinking about it, could China just buy Taiwan?

 

[LurkTrawl]

Would they need to invade it? Would a blockade work or cutting off supplies? How about sending a million citizens over and starting a fake riot/coup/revolution and demanding a chink be made head of Taiwan?

Thinking about it, could China just buy Taiwan?

I guess you didn't pick up on the subtext that China doesn't have the kind of naval power it'd take to do that. I get that the U.S. armed forces look to be and probably are in a grim state, but an attempted with emphasis on the word attempted naval blockade of Taiwan would be a retarded move on their part.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Would they need to invade it? Would a blockade work or cutting off supplies? How about sending a million citizens over and starting a fake riot/coup/revolution and demanding a chink be made head of Taiwan?

Thinking about it, could China just buy Taiwan?

Easiest option, get the US to publicly admit they are incapable of supporting Taiwan. Then do the fake coup thing in Taiwan once people are demoralized enough to prefer a peaceful cooperation with China instead of turning to another Ukraine/Afghanistan/Georgia/<insert American ally here>.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

 

[LurkTrawl]

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The weird thing is claiming that a place that isn't strategically important is also worth throwing the lives of a whole shitload of men away for, kind of insulting to the people who died defending it to say that if you think about it.

 

[The Foxtrot]

Hard to tell, given that the only thing we have is a picture of a T-55 - that doesnt even look like soviet issue - on a flatbed wagon with the entire background scrubbed. If you ask me, this was taken years ago.

Aye. Those tanks, that I could see, had no identifying markings and none of the little bits of kit hanging off the sides that a soon-to-be-deployed tank would have.

They look like old bone-stock T-55s from some old depot, that may or may not even be in Russia, that are being transported from Point A to Point B.

NOTHING about that picture says specifically "Russian T-55s being shipped to Ukraine, 2023". (((They))) just want to give that implication.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

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Well, well, well, the retarded Russians are bringing T54s out of storage.

Are ya winning, son?

lol "look ruZZians using everything they have handy so retarded" Ask around in Artemovsk, and Avdeevka if the AFU find them retarded. Meanwhile, the AFU is using the M113, an APC from the Vietnam War era; git gud.

That accident was caused by a factory production defect that allowed hot gasses to leak from the breechblock upon firing the main gun igniting improperly stowed ammo/propellant in the turret. And to the best of my knowledge, that wasn't a joint training exercise involving Abrams tanks, it was just Challengers.

I remember reading recently two Ukrainian mobiks were ordered to yank a stuck shell out of a Challenger whereupon it blew up, killing them and the guy who told them to do it. Just like the Abrams, I'm sure it requires months of training to safely operate and troubleshoot the Challenger I and II.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

The weird thing is claiming that a place that isn't strategically important is also worth throwing the lives of a whole shitload of men away for, kind of insulting to the people who died defending it to say that if you think about it.

It's not that weird when you realise Zelensky has been guaranteed safety by Russia and with every brave TV campaign he can gain more political capital his way so it really doesn't matter how many Ukrainians get turned to pink mist in a completely braindead military tactic. He's totally going to win the Nobel peace prize after the war ends, relocate to a nice safe place in the US with a hundred bodyguards and a cushy humanitarian advisor type role and never have to look another Ukrainian in the eye ever again.

The more Ukrainians that get slaughtered, the more land that gets annexed by Russia and the more PR videos of him standing over a coffin with tears in his eyes, the better. If anything his biggest threat right now is internal so it's in his best interests to push any commanders who look like they might be manoeuvring their way into the political picture into some unwinnable situation like Bakhmut so he can carry out his own Night of the Long Knives without any blowback on him, personally.

 

[LurkTrawl]

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I can't think of the word for it, but I was being an asshole. I understand the reasons why they are doing it for PR reasons.

Laying it out that way makes the contradiction in logic obvious and undeniable in a concise manner.

 

[Meh123]

I expect the burgers and eurocucks to soon declare their outrage at the unfairness of Putler not selling (at below cost) the means to defend Ukraine against the Russian hordes.

It would be hilarious if putin exported ammonium-nitrate & pals en masse, but issued a generic ban on the export to countries "that support terrorist organizations with explosives" and denied all countries that are supporting jewlensky on that basis.

The weird thing is claiming that a place that isn't strategically important is also worth throwing the lives of a whole shitload of men away for, kind of insulting to the people who died defending it to say that if you think about it.

It makes (kinda?) sense when you buy into the narrative that the russian K/D ratio is something like 1/7-1/5, like the tourist muppet did.
I'm really waiting for the reactions when the bubble bursts.

 

[SIMIΔN]

It's not that weird when you realise Zelensky has been guaranteed safety by Russia and with every brave TV campaign he can gain more political capital his way so it really doesn't matter how many Ukrainians get turned to pink mist in a completely braindead military tactic. He's totally going to win the Nobel peace prize after the war ends, relocate to a nice safe place in the US with a hundred bodyguards and a cushy humanitarian advisor type role and never have to look another Ukrainian in the eye ever again.

It's not Russians the little fella needs to worry about. There are thousands of armed Ukranian soldiers who've been dragged through hell by his hubris, and it just takes one.
Also, CIA/MI6/maybe even China's MSS would kill him to escalate the war.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

The weird thing is claiming that a place that isn't strategically important is also worth throwing the lives of a whole shitload of men away for, kind of insulting to the people who died defending it to say that if you think about it.

Аааа, это... блэ!

 

[Got Milk!]

So I'm seeing a lot of hot talk on Telegram about a couple things.
1) an impending massive drone/missile strike campaign by AFU on RF. The talk is that recent smaller drone attacks have been probing air defenses to see the best course of attack for a massive wave. Supposed to be in multiple areas this will occur.

2) There's reportedly 40k Ukrainians ready to be sent to fight for Artemovsk sometime in the next few days. This figure seems substantially high especially amid reports of RF breakthroughs in places Ukrainians were pulled to fight on Artemovsk. Unless they really did pull a huge portion of that 40k from active front lines. Because that'd be kinda crazy

Also, slightly OT but related: apparently a Russian peacekeeping soldier on the Armenia and Azeri border was injured to some extent. Reports range from minor damage/no hospital visit all the way to gunshot to the head. Soldiers have been fighting back and forth a little and apparently the Azeris are building up men and heavy weapons on their border with Armenia. In response to this, Iran posted a vidya of Shahed drones flying over the Iran/Azeri border with a message of "we'll be coming soon" or something along those lines. So out of left field we have Iran saying they will fight for Armenia because fuck Azerbaijan and Turkey (and the Jews because always). 2023 is getting spicier.