Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[teriyakiburns]

next stage of cope is "they're being transported for export, not for use in war"

Or they're being transported to a museum.

One of the replies claims there are T-34s actually being transported west as well. I'm doubtful. Mostly because I couldn't handle it actually happening.

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BBC, grain of salt, all that jazz.

Ukraine war: How a Russian child's drawing sparked a police investigation

Masha, now 13, is in a children’s home after Russian authorities placed her father under house arrest.

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[DumbDude43]

Or they're being transported to a museum.

what museum would want to display dozens of the same tank model

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

@teriyakiburns Not to mention, the museum argument would hold more weight if there were only a couple of them on the train, but I counted over a dozen of them.

 

[siegemeister675]

Real talk: I am starting to worry a bit about how many casualties Ukraine has taken vis-a-vis their ability to raise more young men for the meat grinder. I am sure Russian figures are ghastly too but Russia has alot more young male bodies to throw into the meat grinder.

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“A disabled person was drafted in western Ukraine and pronounced fit for service despite having no hands. Another died on the front lines within a month of mobilization after 10 days of training, according to his relatives.”

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

@teriyakiburns That BBC story is true, it's been making rounds for weeks now in Russia, nor is it the only case of something like this happening. It's insane, can't imagine how the father must be feeling now. And I'm afraid it's only going to get worse.

Ask KF ziggers if they condone a child being taken from her parents because they refused to brainwash her in accordance with state propaganda. And tell me how that's different from American parents losing parental rights for not trooning out their kid.
If we can't agree that government should know its fucking place and never be able to do this sort of shit, there's definitely nothing for us to discuss.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I see the Vatniggers are taking Russia's 1500 tanks per year at face value and proof Russia was already on a war footing and ready to switch their economy based on sanctions. So ready they are provably deploying stock T-62s to the front.

Seriously I don't know how you can read the reports from either MOD and think it has more than passing relation to reality.

(and correct about the Autoloader)


In the war at this stage, a mobility kill isn't a kill most times - you have exceptions like Kremmlina, but most of the action has been both forces AFVs operate inside controlled territory where you can get recovery vehicles in. In the early part of the war and during Kharkiv, the front was moving such that for Russia an immobile tank was a lost tank. But the majority of the time until you get a T-72 to do a Pringles impression, it'll probably be getting patched up and back in action in a couple weeks if not quicker.

The posts about Medvedev's claims of 1500 tanks a year in the cope thread are beyond delusional. All of Russias modern pack Tanks require sanctioned components. The two factories they have to make these tanks also don't have the capability to meet such a quota. The only way they could conceivably do it would be to raid more tank boneyards and slap new paint on them and call it good to go.

Time is increasingly not working in Russias favor here.

 

[EyeGuy]

All possible perspectives on the recent allegations.

Wow, that's really interesting.

Anyway, how many more weeks till the CULDRON is closed?

 

[MG-34]

The posts about Medvedev's claims of 1500 tanks a year in the cope thread are beyond delusional. All of Russias modern pack Tanks require sanctioned components. The two factories they have to make these tanks also don't have the capability to meet such a quota. The only way they could conceivably do it would be to raid more tank boneyards and slap new paint on them and call it good to go.

Time is increasingly not working in Russias favor here.

It's probably cope that the Russian Federation has to deploy 5+ models of tank with several variants each while the US keeps on hand 6,000+ Abrams with all of them being variants of the A1 or A2 and the baseline M1 deleted from inventory. The same thing can be seen with their small arms. If the US military ran like the Russian military we'd have several versions of the M14, M16 and M4 in service concurrently, along with a half dozen submachine guns.

 

[draggs]

Real talk: I am starting to worry a bit about how many casualties Ukraine has taken vis-a-vis their ability to raise more young men for the meat grinder. I am sure Russian figures are ghastly too but Russia has alot more young male bodies to throw into the meat grinder.

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“A disabled person was drafted in western Ukraine and pronounced fit for service despite having no hands. Another died on the front lines within a month of mobilization after 10 days of training, according to his relatives.”

Neither side has issues raising men despite cope and clickbait in the media

This is how slavniggers fight a war, it has always been how slavniggers fight a war, it would be stranger if slavniggers were fighting a war and it wasn't like this

 

[mindlessobserver]

Even if we take Russias most optimistic casualty claims for the Ukrainian Army they are nowhere near running out of military aged males. The casualty rate in this war is unprecedented for modern times but when compared to even a single World War Battle like Ypres or Verdun, it's an ant hill compared to a mountain.

 

[siegemeister675]

Even if we take Russias most optimistic casualty claims for the Ukrainian Army they are nowhere near running out of military aged males. The casualty rate in this war is unprecedented for modern times but when compared to even a single World War Battle like Ypres or Verdun, it's an ant hill compared to a mountain.

This is certainly a great point. The bodies are certainly there, my worry is that recruiting them is going to get harder and harder. Ukraine does have a much smaller pool than Russia so shirkers will have alot more impact, and the nationalists and true believers have IMO taken higher casualties. IMO if there ever is a problem I hope NATO does what Russia did in the Donbass for 9 years and sends a constant, very large stream of "volunteers" into Ukraine.

 

[Ghostse]

@Ghostse You got the wrong fighter as the Hellcat like the F4U Corsair was outright better than the Zero. Only at the time current US Navy fighter the Zero was better than was the Brewster Buffalo. And even it could out fight the Zeros once USN pilots stopped trying to dogfight to the Japanese strengths and adopted the Thatch Weave amongst other tactics.

You are correct on the 25mm, too many diameters getting tossed around. fix'd.

The Hellcat still had issues with Zeroes until tactics & training improved, which they did. (And the Corsair was better once they got bugs worked out )
As did the number of fighters. The Thatcher Weave was incredibly effective, but it was basically a 4 on 1 (or two on one) tactic. Which even out numbered you could get away with due the US planes' ability to soak damage, and the Zeros ability to turn into a fireball with one good burst.
(The weave was also easy to counter if the Japanese pilots could recognize it and adapt - but given combat losses, only very good or very lucky Japanese pilots were about to experience and survive to be able to recognize it the next time. and again, that's where crew survivability comes in)

Anyway, comes down to the same point: US pilots had better odds of surviving even a losing dogfight and had the opportunity learn and to get better, Japanese pilots tended to not survive their loss.

Even if we take Russias most optimistic casualty claims for the Ukrainian Army they are nowhere near running out of military aged males. The casualty rate in this war is unprecedented for modern times but when compared to even a single World War Battle like Ypres or Verdun, it's an ant hill compared to a mountain.

I did a break down in Articles thread that Ukraine would take like 30 years before they reach the level of 1945 Germany, and that's when you count the "Casualty" numbers as deaths, round up, and figure a population drop of 25% for refugees/donbros, and ignore births.
Granted no one wants to be 1945 Germany, but its a long time out before they start needing to go recruiting in the prisons.

 

[mindlessobserver]

This is certainly a great point. The bodies are certainly there, my worry is that recruiting them is going to get harder and harder. Ukraine does have a much smaller pool than Russia so shirkers will have alot more impact, and the nationalists and true believers have IMO taken higher casualties. IMO if there ever is a problem I hope NATO does what Russia did in the Donbass for 9 years and sends a constant, very large stream of "volunteers" into Ukraine.

You also have to remember nothing in this is precisely what it seems. A video of a family with their young daughter clinging to their apartment in Bakhmut could easily be a a Ukrainian intelligence op with agents and a young actor filming it in Kiev complete with sound effects.

Likewise a video on Russian telegram showing a disabled man being forcibly drafted is in actuality the police grabbing a known draft dodger pretending to be crippled after getting his call up papers.

 

[Bunny Wigglesworth]

@Exterminatus
Regarding the old armor being shipped in: my bet is they're going largely be used as semi-static armored gun emplacements, integrated with all the trenches & tank barriers Russia has been building in depth, from Zaphorizia to south of Kherson.

In any case, those T-55s probably won't be moving around very much once offloaded & driven to their initial positions; and most probably won't be able to move under their own power for very long either, due to fuel shortages & the fact they're fucking ancient.

Aye, for bolstering the defensive lines in south Ukraine most likely. They keep the tonks in dug bunkers, roll them up to do their firing, then roll back down into the bunker to avoid bombardment or atgm.

This bitchfit about DU has been pretty entertaining. I understand why Russia is concerned, but the bullshit they're trying to sell to the general public is fucking comical. They're trying to make it seem like the Challenger2 is going to be firing fuel rods.

It does find an audience, considering how many Westoids get their science knowledge from The Simpsons & Q-tard memes. Best to just avoid the Kafka trap of justifying a few crates of DU ammo going to Ukraine. It’s probably the only sabot shell the Brits had available for Chally’s 120. I wouldn’t want to breathe it or eat it, but it’s a lot less toxic than most the stuff pouring into Ukraine’s environment thanks to the Russian Empire’s latest chimpout.

It *is* really comical how the vatmonkeys are suddenly Greta Thunberg. Chernobyl soil blasted into the winds, mine in Donbas used to test nuclear weapons is starting to collapse, Soviet era asbestos from demolished buildings fuckin everywhere...And a lot of post-Soviet asbestos too. Russia, and Ukraine under Russia’s ”guidance”, were still using tons of asbestos after it lost favor here. It wasn’t until after they chased off Putin’s poolboy Yanukovych that Ukraine banned it.

 

[DumbDude43]

It does find an audience, considering how many Westoids get their science knowledge from The Simpsons & Q-tard memes. Best to just avoid the Kafka trap of justifying a few crates of DU ammo going to Ukraine. It’s probably the only sabot shell the Brits had available for Chally’s 120. I wouldn’t want to breathe it or eat it, but it’s a lot less toxic than most the stuff pouring into Ukraine’s environment thanks to the Russian Empire’s latest chimpout

as a heavy metal, depleted uranium isn't much more or less toxic than good old lead (which is still the material of choice for most mass produced bullets)
in terms of radioactivity, it's not very impressive either. depleted uranium is essentially the waste byproduct that you are left with after isotope separation: U235 is the juicy kind of uranium, the fissile kind, the kind with high radioactivity, the kind you need in nuclear reactors and weapons. after you take most of that out of the natural uranium, you are left with large amounts of U238 - the boring kind of uranium, the kind that is not fissile, the kind with low radioactivity. that's what DU is, that's what these munitions are made of. it's less radioactive than the natural uranium in the earth.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Ukraine war: How a Russian child's drawing sparked a police investigation

Masha, now 13, is in a children’s home after Russian authorities placed her father under house arrest.

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Russian meanies

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

This is certainly a great point. The bodies are certainly there, my worry is that recruiting them is going to get harder and harder. Ukraine does have a much smaller pool than Russia so shirkers will have alot more impact, and the nationalists and true believers have IMO taken higher casualties. IMO if there ever is a problem I hope NATO does what Russia did in the Donbass for 9 years and sends a constant, very large stream of "volunteers" into Ukraine.

I remember arguing with my father who believes state media that Russia was neck deep in gay ops in Donbass all these years and that Kremlin is to blame for this situation and armed conflict breaking out. I said they were sending members of FSB in there on the regular with documented evidence to prove it, who often conveniently "resigned" (as if there's such a thing as an ex-glowie) just before being sent there totally going to Ukraine out of compassion for Donbabwe and kindness of their heart, he corrected me that they were "just volunteers" and that there's nothing suspicions in that at all... and then refused to admit Kremlin's obvious involvement, insisting that armed separatism in Eastern Ukraine was 100% true and honest. It's very frustrating.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

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[Astro Galactic Megalul]

This bitchfit about DU has been pretty entertaining. I understand why Russia is concerned, but the bullshit they're trying to sell to the general public is fucking comical. They're trying to make it seem like the Challenger2 is going to be firing fuel rods.

When I saw in the news as some Russian officials (and even Lukashenko) were sperging out about depleted uranium munitions like it's a precursor to literal nukes I couldn't believe my ears, I knew they were fucking retarded, but this takes the cake. They heard "uranium" and just ran with it.
Nevermind it's just a lump of really dense metal that's barely radioactive if that, and only presents danger if you're literally huffing it over a prolonged period of time... or if you're being shot at with it, in which case its kinetic energy is more of a concern.

To consider hypothetical delivery of DU ammunition to Ukraine a serious escalation would be absurd. I recon they know what's what and it's just an opportunity for Russian propaganda to point fingers and proclaim to their smoothbrain vatnik audience "See? See?! They're giving nuclear weapons to Ukraine like we told you they would!" that they couldn't pass.

 

[MG-34]

Ukraine throphy T-80U smokes Russian anti tank team.