Legend of Zelda thread - Lorefags GTFO!

[Friendly Primarina]

Well, that leap was tripped up by Corona-chan right in the middle, but even if Nintendo of Japan & Monolith went full-on maximum measures, they've had plenty of time to make something brilliant with the same engine. It's crazy to think about how there was only a 17 month gap between the releases of Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask.

I admit I forgot about corona. I still don't think that excuses pulling a Saint's Row with Steelport Hyrule.

 

[Hepativore]

@Frosted Snowflakes

I swear, they make these sorts of people in a cloning factory somewhere as they all look the same.

Anyway, I would like to see the Zelda franchise consider making games geared towards older people...you can still have more light-hearted games for younger audiences, but I would also like to see a Zelda game that fully embraces the "dark fantasy" genre ala Darkest Dungeon or some of the more morbid folktales...really strange and gross-looking monsters, unsettling environments, and enemies showing injured or damaged affects after attacking them.

As for the story, perhaps you could have an older/middle-aged Link who is now a seasoned veteran, gearing up to face a enemy that is unlike anything Hyrule has seen before.

To pull it off, the game would have to be fleshed-out enough so as not to come off as being stupid or tongue-in-cheek, but I would honestly like to see what would happen if a serious effort was made to make a very mature game in the Zelda franchise.

 

[Friendly Primarina]

@Frosted Snowflakes

I swear, they make these sorts of people in a cloning factory somewhere as they all look the same.

Anyway, I would like to see the Zelda franchise consider making games geared towards older people...you can still have more light-hearted games for younger audiences, but I would also like to see a Zelda game that fully embraces the "dark fantasy" genre ala Darkest Dungeon or some of the more morbid folktales...really strange and gross-looking monsters, unsettling environments, and enemies showing injured or damaged affects after attacking them.

As for the story, perhaps you could have an older/middle-aged Link who is now a seasoned veteran, gearing up to face a enemy that is unlike anything Hyrule has seen before.

To pull it off, the game would have to be fleshed-out enough so as not to come off as being stupid or tongue-in-cheek, but I would honestly like to see what would happen if a serious effort was made to make a very mature game in the Zelda franchise.

Twilight Princess was kind of this, apart from the older Link thing. The trouble with making a dark game is that bearded latte-drinkers will roll their eyes and call it "edgy." or "tryhard." If you don't make it dark, other people will call it pedestrian. You can't win.

 

[Hepativore]

Twilight Princess was kind of this, apart from the older Link thing. The trouble with making a dark game is that bearded latte-drinkers will roll their eyes and call it "edgy." or "tryhard" If you don't make it dark, other people will call it pedestrian. You can't win.

Oh, I know...which is they they can always go back towards the more traditional-style Zelda titles. Still, I think that Nintendo should consider expanding the audiences of many of its offerings instead of letting itself be pigeonholed.

 

[Photonic]

Twilight Princess was kind of this, apart from the older Link thing. The trouble with making a dark game is that bearded latte-drinkers will roll their eyes and call it "edgy." or "tryhard" If you don't make it dark, other people will call it pedestrian. You can't win.

I can't really agree with that. You have more adult oriented games already many in the same genre. I mildly despise the growing trend of aging a franchise up with its audience . Let a new generation find it.

 

[Pissmaster]

I admit I forgot about corona. I still don't think that excuses pulling a Saint's Row with Steelport Hyrule.

Even if they completely ceased development at the top of the Coronavirus Pandemic™, the three years between March 2017 and March 2020 should have been plenty to drop something good our way. Though I guess Monolith was also working on Xenoblade Chronicles 3 at the time, a game I haven't really heard anything about.

 

[Never Scored]

Even if they completely ceased development at the top of the Coronavirus Pandemic™, the three years between March 2017 and March 2020 should have been plenty to drop something good our way. Though I guess Monolith was also working on Xenoblade Chronicles 3 at the time, a game I haven't really heard anything about.

There's been no new Mario for 6 years. There's been no new Mario Kart for nearly a decade. They've started doing the thing other publishers do where they just release Grand Theft Auto V or Skyrim every generation as a full price release and add some new content.

 

[Sarcastic sockpuppet]

Dude, no one cares.

You seem to care enough to be there, on your high horse, pretending to be above debating this because are butthurt about being proved wrong.
Keep pretending it's beneath you, but you started it.

 

[Pissmaster]

You seem to care enough to be there, on your high horse, pretending to be above debating this because are butthurt about being proved wrong.
Keep pretending it's beneath you, but you started it.

I just see Link as the player's avatar. He is a blank slate in a world that's conducive to everything he does, and he is not a fleshed out character of his own, because that construct makes him a good video game protagonist. His thoughts and feelings are yours. If you love big booty bitches, Link loves big booty bitches.

 

[Tren Shapiro]

Anyway, I would like to see the Zelda franchise consider making games geared towards older people...you can still have more light-hearted games for younger audiences, but I would also like to see a Zelda game that fully embraces the "dark fantasy" genre ala Darkest Dungeon or some of the more morbid folktales...really strange and gross-looking monsters, unsettling environments, and enemies showing injured or damaged affects after attacking them.

I don't like that "mature" media in the west is synonymous with gore, pornography, torture, nihilism, sadism, etc. Game of Thrones is a perfect example of this. Is it really more "adult" than Lord of the Rings or is just shitty and gross? Zelda is fine for adults. Parents bringing home the wrong version of Zelda for their kids would be an absolute disaster.

 

[Never Scored]

You seem to care enough to be there, on your high horse, pretending to be above debating this because are butthurt about being proved wrong.
Keep pretending it's beneath you, but you started it.

Lol how was I "proved wrong"? I said I didn't really care and people who do are weird. You proved me right by being a god damn werido who thinks not caring about the sexuality of an underaged cartoon elf is being on a high horse.

 

[Hepativore]

I don't like that "mature" media in the west is synonymous with gore, pornography, torture, nihilism, sadism, etc. Game of Thrones is a perfect example of this. Is it really more "adult" than Lord of the Rings or is just shitty and gross? Zelda is fine for adults. Parents bringing home the wrong version of Zelda for their kids would be an absolute disaster.

I was thinking something along the lines of the fever dream aesthetic of the old game, American McGee's Alice along with "damaged" enemies and blood stainmaps when things are attacked.

There are probably lots of games that parents have gotten for their children that they have not paid attention to what they are buying...but this means that parents should keep an eye on what games they are getting for their children in general if they are concerned about it for the sake of good parenting.

 

[Sarcastic sockpuppet]

@Frosted Snowflakes

I swear, they make these sorts of people in a cloning factory somewhere as they all look the same.

Anyway, I would like to see the Zelda franchise consider making games geared towards older people...you can still have more light-hearted games for younger audiences, but I would also like to see a Zelda game that fully embraces the "dark fantasy" genre ala Darkest Dungeon or some of the more morbid folktales...really strange and gross-looking monsters, unsettling environments, and enemies showing injured or damaged affects after attacking them.

As for the story, perhaps you could have an older/middle-aged Link who is now a seasoned veteran, gearing up to face a enemy that is unlike anything Hyrule has seen before.

To pull it off, the game would have to be fleshed-out enough so as not to come off as being stupid or tongue-in-cheek, but I would honestly like to see what would happen if a serious effort was made to make a very mature game in the Zelda franchise.

I don't completely disagree that Zelda could afford slightly more mature storytelling while at the same time thinking that the things you cite like gore and violence, grime, a less boyish Link are not necessary "mature", and they are not what i want from a Zelda game.

For me the universe can and should remain mostly light and beautiful, while having a more mature story-line. If you want gore and morbid with an older veteran character you have PLENTY of adventure games to choose from. Just go play Darksoul or most american AAA games my dude.

I think you will never ever get that from Nintendo, tho. That's not their bread and butter and they have proven to be quite successful. Their star characters are Mario, Link and Kirby, they don't need to branch into edgy.

What i think they could, should (but won't) improve on is the character work and the plot of those games, the themes and the humor. The humor is meh, i already discussed it, and the characterization relies on tired stereotypes. It's all very shallow and it's disappointing because those games are so polished otherwise!

 

[Tren Shapiro]

There are probably lots of games that parents have gotten for their children that they have not paid attention to what they are buying...but this means that parents should keep an eye on what games they are getting for their children in general if they are concerned about it for the sake of good parenting.

They didn't buy Grand Theft Auto VI. They bought a game from a 40-year-old kid-friendly Nintendo series. "Surprise! It's a hentai dating sim now!" is a great way to get Japan nuked again.

 

[Friendly Primarina]

They didn't buy Grand Theft Auto VI. They bought a game from a 40-year-old kid-friendly Nintendo series. "Surprise! It's a hentai dating sim now!" is a great way to get Japan nuked again.

OK, so most countries have this thing called a rating system. If you're about to tell me "parents don't read those lol" then that's on the shitty parents.

 

[Tren Shapiro]

OK, so most countries have this thing called a rating system. If you're about to tell me "parents don't read those lol" then that's on the shitty parents.

OK, so like most countries have this little thing called Nutrition Facts on food. If you didn't check your Diet Coke to see if it suddenly started containing sugar after fucking 40 years, uh that's on you. Nigga shut the fuck up.

 

[Friendly Primarina]

OK, so like most countries have this little thing called Nutrition Facts on food. If you didn't check your Diet Coke to see if it suddenly started containing sugar after fucking 40 years, uh that's on you. Nigga shut the fuck up.

You have to go back

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

Zelda is a family childrens game.

If you want "more mature storytelling", play a different franchise. Jesus Christ.

 

[Spitz]

I'm looking forward to TotK. I'm sure I'll enjoy it in the same way I enjoyed BotW and RDR2; getting sidetracked by 20 things on my way to the next story mission.

 

[BananaSplit²]

I was thinking something along the lines of the fever dream aesthetic of the old game, American McGee's Alice along with "damaged" enemies and blood stainmaps when things are attacked.

There are probably lots of games that parents have gotten for their children that they have not paid attention to what they are buying...but this means that parents should keep an eye on what games they are getting for their children in general if they are concerned about it for the sake of good parenting.

Nintendo has a specific scheme for their games to be rated by the japanese rating board CERO (which is harsher than the western equivalents like PEGI or ESRB).

A rating (All Ages): Super Smash Bros Ultimate, Mario games (including spinoffs), Pokemon, Pikmin, Luigi's Mansion 3
B rating (12+): Zelda games, Fire Emblem (Three Houses & Engage), Metroid (Prime Remastered & Dread)
C rating (15+): Astral Chain, Xenoblade trilogy, Famicom Detective Club remakes, Buddy Mission Bond
D rating (17+): Bayonetta trilogy
Z rating (18+): None. (Nobody besides VN devs and localizations of western games dare to have this rating because it brings rather severe commercial limitations)

Red bloodstains alone, inflicted by attacks, would earn the game a D rating. Colored bloodstains may give a C rating on the other hand.