Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

I have no personal experience with burn units, but the ones I've heard of were all ICU beds, with varying levels of care, and therefore nobody had a roommate.

Powerlevel: I also remember some discussion among medical ethicists about whether people who blew themselves up in meth lab explosions should receive any treatment beyond comfort care. I heard about a hospital, IIRC Vanderbilt in Tennessee, that was doing $300 million a year in pro bono care for this population. Imagine how many phalloplasties that could pay for? (couldn't resist)
 
Why is no one saying anything? Where is the pushback? Stand up, you spineless fuckers. I did for covid - yes I got flattened for it for it but I did what I thought was ethically right

Because we don’t want to be Amy Hamm’d and end up in front of a disciplinary board facing expulsion from our profession for being “transphobic”. Health Professionals have invested years and thousands of dollars into our careers. We can try to make changes from within, but as soon as we become a vocal opposition to the status quo we risk losing it all.

It’s easy to do what you feel is ethically right when you’re not risking anything from your position as a stay at home mom or retail grunt. But when significant investments have been made, it’s not so cut and dry.
 
u/btmk has posted a close up of her graftsite because she's concerned about the healing.
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Some of the TiFs think it's necrosis. Dr. says it looks fine.
 
Ffs man…

Now they’re just going full Mr Potato head with their surgeries.

“I have an idea…”
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Just wait. Soon they’ll start to talk about transplanting their penis to their buttocks or something so they can get a handjob while getting fucked.
I swear to God troons have no idea how human bodies are meant to work.
 
I have no personal experience with burn units, but the ones I've heard of were all ICU beds, with varying levels of care, and therefore nobody had a roommate.

Powerlevel: I also remember some discussion among medical ethicists about whether people who blew themselves up in meth lab explosions should receive any treatment beyond comfort care. I heard about a hospital, IIRC Vanderbilt in Tennessee, that was doing $300 million a year in pro bono care for this population. Imagine how many phalloplasties that could pay for? (couldn't resist)
That's even worse! ICU Units not only need special equipment, they need specially trained staff, and the number of beds is usually limited (especially if we're talking about a smaller hospital that's far below pooner standards). Also, the number of (probably pediatric!) ICU beds is a limiting factor when it comes to major surgery. With how backlogged medical care is these days I don't doubt someone else's surgery was delayed because of one less bed.

These people make me MATI.
 
My faith in the medical profession is zero. Sorry, I know there’s a few good ones out there but from my encounters with you the vast majority are shockingly incompetent and or butchers
My life was ruined by a doctor that refused to admit the medicine they prescribed me was why I was so sick, and instead diagnosed me with a very unlikely and very serious illness. Stopped medicine, I got better. I lost faith in the medical industry then.

Most people I know have had horrible experiences trying to get care for normal medical problems, or directly know someone who has- with how prevalent anarchism and fuck the government type thinking is within the trans community I struggle to grasp why they think doctors are the good guys and not driven by money like every other profession. Sure, there's probably some that are trying to help people or who started out wanting to help people, but personal experience tells me it's all about the money not the patient. I'm sure it's a difficult profession, but someone isn't a hero if the only reason they're helping is for monetary gain.

The surgery results shown in this thread are genuinely horrifying. Anyone who looks at these results and doesn't recoil is missing some basic human instincts. The pus, the smell described, the knotted scar tissue, the complications, the pain, the extreme care regimen, the amount of revisions- all of it's disgusting. The best results are still not good. Neovaginas don't even register as looking like genitals at all to me, just lumpy, mauled tissue that hasn't healed well. The neophalluses look distinctly wrong - there's more appeal in cheap flesh colored dildos, at least those don't flop everywhere like a flesh colored tick that's ready to drop off at any given moment.
 
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Gosh. Why would staff in a burn unit have to worry about learning an entirely new kind of anatomy to treat a select group of patients? It is like asking them to become vets too because someone wanted to add a tail to their normal human body.
Don't give the FurFags any ideas.
 
That's even worse! ICU Units not only need special equipment, they need specially trained staff, and the number of beds is usually limited (especially if we're talking about a smaller hospital that's far below pooner standards). Also, the number of (probably pediatric!) ICU beds is a limiting factor when it comes to major surgery. With how backlogged medical care is these days I don't doubt someone else's surgery was delayed because of one less bed.

These people make me MATI.
These are the same peope too who got butthurt when they were told their SRS was not life saving during the height of Covid in certain states.
 
TiF's writeup on her 'horrific' experience with Dr. Shane Morrison and his team at Seattle Children's Hospital as their first phallo patient.
That is a terrible hospital and you'd have to be crazy to go there. So I guess it's perfect for troons:

‘We failed’: Seattle Children’s CEO admits 6 deaths, more illnesses due to mold in ORs​

Nov. 18, 2019 at 11:38 am Updated Nov. 20, 2019 at 12:31 am

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Dr. Jeff Sperring, CEO of Seattle Children’s, on Monday said, “Looking back, we should have made the connection” between mold and illness sooner. (Steve Ringman / The Seattle Times)

By Daniel Gilbert and Ryan Blethen
Seattle Times staff reporters

Seattle Children’s chief executive disclosed Monday that 14 patients have been sickened by Aspergillus mold since 2001 — six of whom died — blaming his hospital for failing to recognize a connection between the infections and the air-handling units serving its operating rooms.

Dr. Jeff Sperring, Children’s chief executive, said the hospital had believed earlier infections were isolated events but that recent cases prompted staff to take another look. “Looking back, we should have made the connection sooner,” he said at news conference. “Simply put, we failed.”

Yet more than a dozen years ago, Eugene and Clarissa Patnode drew a direct connection between the hospital’s air-filtration system and their 12-year-old daughter’s Aspergillus infection that left her permanently disabled.

“This makes me sick to my stomach,” John Layman, an attorney for the Patnodes, said Monday when contacted by The Seattle Times. “Our whole case was about the problems with the HVAC and it seems to have never been addressed.” The family didn’t respond to a message seeking comment.

Children’s denied the allegation aggressively at the time, and fought the family in court for nearly three years, court records show. A spokeswoman for the hospital did not respond to questions about the lawsuit, which was settled in 2008 for an undisclosed amount, on Monday and did not respond to other questions after the news conference.

Since May, Children’s, a celebrated institution whose doctors are sought after nationally, has publicly struggled to eradicate a strain of mold from its air systems, even as more mold-related infections have been confirmed. The experience of the Patnode family shows these struggles extend back much further than the hospital has previously acknowledged.


Aspergillus is a common mold, found outdoors and indoors, that people breathe in daily without getting sick, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. People with lung disease or weakened immune systems — and especially organ- or stem-cell-transplant patients — are at higher risk of developing aspergillosis, which can range from mild to serious, manifesting as an allergic reaction or as infections in the lungs and other organs.

Aspergillus infections that happen while a patient is in the hospital aren’t widely reported or identified across the country and little is known about Aspergillus in hospital HVAC systems, according to Jeff Duchin, public health officer of Public Health – Seattle & King County.

“I really think we’re in a situation here where Children’s has uncovered a very unusual problem that hasn’t been described before,” Duchin said. “We don’t have a real playbook for 1, 2, 3 here’s how you fix it.”

Persistent mold​

After seven infections and one death were connected to Aspergillus and problems with the air-handling system, Children’s said it looked retroactively at previous cases, and found seven more illnesses and five deaths between 2001 and 2014.

In recent years, Children’s has faced scrutiny from regulators over the steps it takes to guard against infections. In October 2017, inspectors with the state Department of Health cited the hospital for a serious violation over its failure to “implement and monitor an effective infection prevention program.”

In June 2018, Children’s closed two operating rooms and an equipment storage room for three days after Aspergillus was detected. The hospital believed the appearance of mold was due to small gaps in the walls of the operating rooms.

Hospital officials attributed another infestation, discovered in May of this year, to a gap in the array of small air filters in an air-handling unit. State inspectors visited Children’s on May 30, and cited the hospital for failing to adequately maintain its air-handling units and exhaust fans, among other shortcomings. The state signed off on Children’s plans to address the issues.

The hospital, which had closed all of its operating rooms at the time, reopened them July 4. Mark Del Beccaro, Children’s chief medical officer, said at the time the risk to patients “is incredibly low.”

Then, on Nov. 10, the hospital disclosed that it had again detected Aspergillus in three of its operating rooms. The hospital confirmed two days later that a surgical patient became ill and a second patient is being monitored for a possible infection from the mold. Children’s closed the remaining operating rooms on Nov. 13 to sanitize them and inspect the air-handling system that serves the rooms.

In response to the series of mold issues this year, the hospital shut down one air-handling unit and cleaned and sanitized another. The hospital ordered a new air handler in May; it arrives this week. Sperring said Monday the hospital has now ordered a second air-handling system.

In addition, the hospital has installed a new air-filtration system for three operating rooms; the new system will now be extended to all 14 operating rooms, Sperring said.

The hospital said it has been testing operating rooms and affiliated areas for mold spores at least once a week since July 4, and it will do so daily. About 3,000 patients have had surgery since the operating rooms reopened on July 4.

Children’s is postponing planned surgeries and diverting patients to other hospitals, including Children’s Bellevue campus, UW Medical Center, Harborview Medical Center, Swedish Medical Center and Mary Bridge Children’s Hospital in Tacoma, according to a spokeswoman. Unexpected surgeries for patients at the Seattle campus will be performed in other parts of the hospital, she said.

“Grave concerns”​

In December 2002, the Patnodes’ 12-year-old daughter came from Yakima to what was then known as Children’s Hospital and Regional Medical Center with a brain tumor. Doctors removed the tumor in an eight-hour procedure, but she subsequently developed Aspergillosis in her brain and spine, according to court records.

The family questioned how their daughter could have contracted an infection in the supposedly sterile environment of an operating room, and they sued Children’s in 2005. Lawyers for the Patnodes gathered extensive evidence, including testimony from former staffers about the condition and maintenance of air-handling units serving the operating rooms.

Margaret Brown, the hospital’s building and engineering manager from October 2002 to March 2003, said in a sworn statement that she was told by “infection control staff that Aspergillus was a concern,” adding, “I had some grave concerns about how the hospital’s critical care systems impacted CHRMC’s patient population.”

After bringing her concerns to her superiors, Brown said in the declaration, “I was abruptly notified my services at CHRMC were no longer needed.”

Ken Johnson, who had been a lead engineer at the hospital, saw “mold was growing around the fan coils and drain pans, and live and dead birds and bird droppings were plugging the air intake system,” according to a pleading filed by the family’s lawyers.

Lawyers for Children’s argued that experts retained by the Patnodes couldn’t prove that Aspergillus spores had entered the operating room, or that maintenance issues contributed to their daughter’s infection.

They argued in a 2008 court filing that experts hired by the Patnodes couldn’t determine “the number of spores in the air before surgery,” and the experts couldn’t determine “the number of spores that even allegedly reached the air intakes, much less entered the operating room.”

In rebutting Johnson’s testimony, the hospital’s lawyers argued that “the presence of this bird excrement” couldn’t be proven to have caused the girl’s infection, and they disputed testimony regarding leaks and standing water problems with the air-handling units by saying Johnson and Brown couldn’t “state with any specificity where or when these leaks occurred.”


A judge agreed to dismiss some of the Patnodes’ claims but ruled that a central one – “relating to the sources of the Aspergillus and how it may have gotten through the HVAC filtration and into the operating room” could go forward to a trial. The hospital and the family settled in August 2008 for an undisclosed sum.

Now, a decade later, Children’s is facing similar litigation. The parents of a teenage boy sued the hospital late last month, alleging the hospital “failed to take reasonably prudent measures to prevent Aspergillus from infecting” their son, leaving him disabled.

A hospital spokeswoman said last week in response to the lawsuit, “We remain fully committed to working with this family through the legal process and supporting them during what we know is a very difficult time.”
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I swear to God troons have no idea how human bodies are meant to work.
It doesn't help that for this population the following changes have been made to secondary ed science standards in the last ten years:
  • Physiology removed from AP Biology content standards
  • Physiology removed as a content standard category and only taught on an as-needed basis and at the teacher's discretion to support the other content standards.
  • Schools are recommended to adopt the three-course model for science which puts life sciences during the freshman year when teens are at their most retarded and least capable.
  • Many schools have health class requirements, usually freshman year, and even though these classes still cover basic genital anatomy, they're usually taught by stupid people. (Okay this has been this way since the dawn of health class requirements. What is new is some schools in CA are proposing meeting the new social justice class requirement by smashing health and equity together as a year long program.)
If you are a teen and want to learn about physiology you'll have to take an elective physio/anatomy class provided that your school has one, or you can enroll in after school classes if your community college will have you. So basically, only a small proportion of young people are being exposed to anatomy in a concrete way.
Not in the classroom nor in a position of power like the board but I'm exposed to this shit all the time.
 
Harborview is a teaching hospital for fucks sake, what did she expect? It sounds like she just assumed she'd get white-glove concierge doctor treatment, she's so used to being treated like a sacred caste everywhere else. In the first post she's very butthurt about being the doctor's first rotdog install and not being told. Which means she didn't ask him about how any of his previous surgeries went or try to find any patient reviews online. How could you be this passive about letting someone cut up your crotch?
I mean.. she talked about being on a ward with a withdrawing heroin addict who was having night terrors- it’s bad, of course, but it’s what being in any ward is like. I have booted off at poor confused old ladies, in sleep deprived rage. It’s just how it is on public healthcare, worse if you’re on the fucking mens ward but are not a man and are too coward to explain the acceptable standard of behaviour.

The idea that someone in for an elective should get special treatment is so backwards it’s insane.

People fretting about the financial status of the hospital/the troon procedures-
They are facilitating this because -*they* are making bank off it: it will help bring income into their hospital big time .

The poor cunt who was withdrawing was most likely in for something else- they don’t medically withdraw H addicts in hospitals- so he had a club shit sandwich by the sound- in for some emergency, forced to WD.
If this bitch wasn’t a bitch she could have sorted him out if he was really being a pain:
But man. SHes getting this fucked up shit for free; yeah, healthcare is not good enough, but her Ilk is exactly why it’s fucked- people willing to abuse providers, be in there for nothing, support unscrupulous people n practices, be lifelong patients unnecessarily- they are exactly why the medical racket feels safe to continue pushing the envelope of acceptability and cost.

All her issues could be solved by taking a walk a day and volunteering some time to train her brain to be less selfish.

Fucking sucks.
 
My life was ruined by a doctor that refused to admit the medicine they prescribed me was why I was so sick, and instead diagnosed me with a very unlikely and very serious illness. Stopped medicine, I got better. I lost faith in the medical industry then.

Most people I know have had horrible experiences trying to get care for normal medical problems, or directly know someone who has- with how prevalent anarchism and fuck the government type thinking is within the trans community I struggle to grasp why they think doctors are the good guys and not driven by money like every other profession.

Oh god, tell me about it.

I dodged a fucking bullet in the early 2000's (when cervical cancer was getting noticed more). Military forced me to have a pap smear done when I was at the end of a period in boot camp. I was 18. Then told me that because they found abnormal cells I was going to have exploratory cervical surgery because cancer. Despite them using scare tactics, including telling me I'd be dead before I was 20 if they didn't randomly hack at my parts, I held my ground and flat out refused to allow them to give me surgery without a second confirmation pap smear. Or a meeting with an oncologist at the fucking minimum. Shouldn't they have at least an idea of where to cut before excising chunks?

Met a girl later who was scared by the threats and such to let them hack at her... She healed shut. Yes, exactly what you think. The scar tissue led to her uterus healing shut. The only reason she didn't go septic was because she was on the Depovara shot. They didn't ven find cancer in her at all, for all the slashing they did. The military also wouldn't send her to a specialist to try and undo the damage, she either had to go back to the asshole who sterilized her in the first place and let him take another whack at it, or pay out of pocket (at 19 at the time, on an E4 with less than 5 years salary) for the whole cost. And she got written up for having a shitty attitude.

I'm still certain they were just using young women to train their idiot surgeons on cervical surgeries because it was the hot thing right then, and most girls at that age wouldn't push back. BTW, never had an abnormal pap smear ever again (also never had one done at the end of a fucking period again... assholes).
 
Why would staff in a burn unit have to worry about learning an entirely new kind of anatomy to treat a select group of patients?
Burn unit seems like it'd be pretty rockin' at skin grafts, as well as caring for acres of flayed and raw tissue. The rotdog is new territory, but the mangled arm and thigh shouldn't be a problem at all.

If I slid down an embankment and ended up with raw flesh all over, I'd be pretty stoked if the bed they found me was staffed by nurses familiar with burn care.

The fact that she had a roommate who was dual-diagnosis implies she wasn't in the ICU, though, maybe something stepdown or adjacent. You really worry about infection when someone's missing most of their skin.

Don't forget: she didn't actually go to Seattle Children's (which does troon surgery why?). She went to Harborview, which isn't "a"charity hospital." It's a goddamn level 1 trauma center, and the only one in Washington. That's where they fly 'em to from Alaska, if they can shoo the bear away:
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That's even worse! ICU Units not only need special equipment, they need specially trained staff, and the number of beds is usually limited (especially if we're talking about a smaller hospital that's far below pooner standards). Also, the number of (probably pediatric!) ICU beds is a limiting factor when it comes to major surgery. With how backlogged medical care is these days I don't doubt someone else's surgery was delayed because of one less bed.

These people make me MATI.
Specialized burn units, AFAIK, are only found in the biggest, highest-level teaching hospitals, and the burnout rate (no pun intended) for the workers is probably the highest among any health care workers. Much of it is because so many of the patients were there because of some kind of abuse, whether of self or by someone else.

A woman who had two small children, whose experience with the burn unit was due to an accidental explosion and was only over a small area of her body, said that she would rather have 20 babies in a row than go through anything like the post-graft physical therapy.
 
My life was ruined by a doctor that refused to admit the medicine they prescribed me was why I was so sick, and instead diagnosed me with a very unlikely and very serious illness. Stopped medicine, I got better. I lost faith in the medical industry then.

Most people I know have had horrible experiences trying to get care for normal medical problems, or directly know someone who has- with how prevalent anarchism and fuck the government type thinking is within the trans community I struggle to grasp why they think doctors are the good guys and not driven by money like every other profession. Sure, there's probably some that are trying to help people or who started out wanting to help people, but personal experience tells me it's all about the money not the patient. I'm sure it's a difficult profession, but someone isn't a hero if the only reason they're helping is for monetary gain.

The surgery results shown in this thread are genuinely horrifying. Anyone who looks at these results and doesn't recoil is missing some basic human instincts. The pus, the smell described, the knotted scar tissue, the complications, the pain, the extreme care regimen, the amount of revisions- all of it's disgusting. The best results are still not good. Neovaginas don't even register as looking like genitals at all to me, just lumpy, mauled tissue that hasn't healed well. The neophalluses look distinctly wrong - there's more appeal in cheap flesh colored dildos, at least those don't flop everywhere like a flesh colored tick that's ready to drop off at any given moment.
Jesus fucking Christ.
I feel like if it was me at 18 I might have done as I was told. Especially in the military.
That’s so sinister and nonsensical you have to wonder if they were up to some other cynical thing harvesting whatever.
Thank god you had the balls to do basically the total opposite of what you were conditioned to do at that point.
Fuck man.
I w wonder if we’ll ever find out what they were up to- doubt it was as simple as training. May be some weird stem adjacent shit
 
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I was listening to this interview between Benjamin boyce and an "AGP neuroscientist", who stated an interesting fact about a hormonal epoch that occurs in the perinatal period (before birth) if the child is a male, he gets a huge influx of both estrogen and testosterone which maximizes his brain, it prunes certain areas to delete themselves or expand, and this doesn't happen if the child is a female. This process is responsible for much of the masculinization of the brain and the difference between boys and girls since childhood.

I have heard before that one of the "strongest" evidence for transgenderism is a study that proved that these men somehow have "female brains", and I don't know if injecting estrogen long after puberty and birth would change their brains in any way.

I know that this isn't related directly to srs but it is an interesting fact that proves the already known fact that these people only highlight their true gender when they attempt to steer out of it.
 
in the early 2000's (when cervical cancer was getting noticed more).
Horrifying story and I am glad you stood your ground against the dumbasses. But this jogged my memory. This colposcopy and cervical biopsy thing in the early 2000s was definitely a fad. They were handing them out like candy on Halloween. 18 year old virgins, 50 year old matrons, everybody in between, with no regard for whether the smear maybe needed redoing. Very cavalier. A decent number of ladies ended up with subpar fertility due to this, because any time you tear up the powerful sphincter muscle that holds your fetus in until it's ready to be born, you run a risk of rendering said muscle incompetent. And the media- not just news but TV dramas and sitcoms and such too- were hammering the cervical cancer plotline aggressively. You would have thought 4/5 of the women you knew back then would die of it if not for the magical gyn swab.

Then things changed. They started spacing out the screening recommendations. They spaced them out even more. The colposcopy and cone biopsy train slowed down.

What happened?

Oh they attribute it to Gardasil but the timing is all wrong. These kinds of shots, given to 9 year old girls, don't slash the risk for women already in their 30s overnight.

No. They realized they did a little fucky-wucky with the business of slashing open the parts of every woman whose lab results came back fuzzy. And rather than admitting it, they just backed it off nice and slow, hoping nobody would notice and get mad at the hash the "scientific" profession of medicine had made of their lives.

It was a fad. It came to a head, and it burnt out. Just like lava lamps or Pokemon Go- but with people's intimate body parts, lives, health and well-being instead of junk you can sell at a garage sale or an app you can delete.

I've seen a number of these play out in medicine over the past few decades. Feels bad.
 
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