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[Xarpho's Return]

I'm not taking the guy's side but he is right, there are no exceptions in 1A.

Except the ones that are, such as the "fire in a crowded theater", defamation, incitement to violence, and fraud.

 

[teriyakiburns]

the "fire in a crowded theater",

This isn't a thing. Stop it.

 

[AdmiralRenae]

There's a bizarre subclass of these people that I can only classify as the "pick me's" of the anticar world. Usually their arguments start with "I'm a car enthusiast but..." followed by them batching that there are too many doggone cars on the road and they just want to take a nice Sunday drive without all those irritating plebs trying to pick up their kids or get to work or whatever. These people somehow manage to be even more insufferable than the regular ones. The average anticar nut is at least motivated by things they perceive to be important, the car enthusiast just wants to grill and go to car shows, dammit! Of course, this all assumes these people aren't just a "maybe if I use this argument you'll do what you want" ploy.

It's extremely bizarre that a group of people that are a scooch away from Stalin politically seem to support the kind of conspicuous consumption the Soviets demonized Americans for. You really can't have it both ways. You can either have your "perfect government on paper" or you can have your neat toys, not both. The only reason you have access to Funco pops, a Marvel movie every 6 months, and DoorDash to bring food to your door is all that evil, dang dirty capitalism you despise so much.

So they are using Anti-Gunner logic? great.

Anti-gunners use the argument “I am pro Second Amendment BUT…” alot and it just tires me. I swear these people are just the same as the vegan urbanite where every major corporation and the WEF agrees with them. Useful Idiots.

 

[An Username :^)]

Except the ones that are, such as the "fire in a crowded theater", defamation, incitement to violence, and fraud.

Schenck was more or less overturned by Brandenburg v Ohio. "Fire in a crowded theater" was always a poor example and it wouldn't pass the test put forth by Brandenburg. The test being Intended to Cause Imminent Lawless Action.

Brandenburg v. Ohio

In Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), the Court ruled that speech advocating illegal conduct is protected by the First Amendment unless it is likely to incite “imminent lawless action.”

www.mtsu.edu

 

[JJLiautaud]

Schenck was more or less overturned by Brandenburg v Ohio.

And even in Scheneck it was just dicta iirc an example of bannable speech which as you said was overturned by Brandenburg.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Except the ones that are, such as the "fire in a crowded theater", defamation, incitement to violence, and fraud.

You're wrong on two of these, fraud is not speech and shouting fire in a theater was ruled free speech.

But please show me where on 1A it says "thou shalt not claim to be an engineer when you're not."

As for defamation, I actually started a thread on this to debate it, would like to see your contribution:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/how-does-freedom-of-speech-contend-with-defamation.130348/

He mentions in the article he intents to travel a distance of 241 miles to the Baltic Sea and it will take him about a month. Generously assuming he spends 8 hours per day traveling, this gives us 240 hours of travel time. Meaning his rate of travel is just under 1 mph. The average human walking speed is 3 mph. Meaning he engineered a bike that is slower than walking, and he intends to go 241 miles with it. This is literally a gigachad meme brought to life.

And to think he could save how many hours by driving a car at the speed limit?

 

[Xarpho's Return]

But please show me where on 1A it says "thou shalt not claim to be an engineer when you're not."

I did respond to your thread, but thinking that it's free speech that it's okay for Marohn to be an engineer when he's not is akin to thinking it's okay when someone with a thick Indian accent calls you up and claims he's from Microsoft with instructions you need to follow.

 

[quaawaa]

/r/notjustbikes advocates for separating light commercial businesses from residential areas, aka Euclidian zoning:

Article (Archive)
Amsterdam is banning delivery-only grocery stores because residents are annoyed at the large amount of bicycle traffic and noise they produce. Clearly, those people are wannabe suburbanites, because you can never have too many bikes and cities aren't loud, cars are.

Urbanists are annoyed by delivery cyclists:




Just a reminder that these people usually deny that bicyclists can injure pedestrians.

We should ban commercial cyclists and grocery store delivery from urban centers because they are annoying:

Spoiler: NJB Video

Can Groceries Be Delivered TOO Quickly?!

Spoiler: YouTube

Zoning can save us from the havoc caused by large numbers of fast cyclists!:


If they were in a "business park", they wouldn't be rapid delivery services. What happened to mixed-use zoning and having everything within 15 minutes?

Source (Archive)

 

[Markass the Worst]

If they were in a "business park", they wouldn't be rapid delivery services. What happened to mixed-use zoning and having everything within 15 minutes?

You know, one of the flawed but still understandable arguments I've heard for urbanism was that you wouldn't need to go out most of the time because you could just order delivery and have your groceries and food delivered straight to you. Guess that one was just a fig leaf.

 

[talk talk talk]

Some of these people don't want to live in a city. They want to live in a day care.

 

[quaawaa]

Speaking of infrastructure subsidies and costs, New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority, which runs New York City's subways and buses, is in danger of going bankrupt. The MTA plans to raise fares from $2.75 to $2.90 a trip and they have promised to cut $400 million of costs. For increased revenue, the governor has proposed a payroll tax and a gambling tax, while the legislature has proposed an extra 4% sales tax on streaming and rideshare services (e.g. Netflix and Uber). Other proposals include charging more for student passes and increasing residential parking permit fees.

Details in the A&N thread.

Can't wait to see how /r/fuckcars justifies this.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

/r/notjustbikes advocates for separating light commercial businesses from residential areas, aka Euclidian zoning:
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Article (Archive)
Amsterdam is banning delivery-only grocery stores because residents are annoyed at the large amount of bicycle traffic and noise they produce. Clearly, those people are wannabe suburbanites, because you can never have too many bikes and cities aren't loud, cars are.

Urbanists are annoyed by delivery cyclists:
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Just a reminder that these people usually deny that bicyclists can injure pedestrians.

We should ban commercial cyclists and grocery store delivery from urban centers because they are annoying:
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Spoiler: NJB Video

Can Groceries Be Delivered TOO Quickly?!
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Spoiler: YouTube

Zoning can save us from the havoc caused by large numbers of fast cyclists!:
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If they were in a "business park", they wouldn't be rapid delivery services. What happened to mixed-use zoning and having everything within 15 minutes?

Source (Archive)

Real grocery stores (or any retail/restaurant establishment, really) create just as much traffic and noise if not moreso...but they're not wrong. The problem is, despite the clear distaste for even grocery delivery storefronts, they can't admit that maybe mixed-use isn't for everyone, or perhaps that zoning has a purpose that has nothing do with "muh racists" or whatever. But to do that they'd also start hacking into the core of urbanist dogma and that might mean they're wrong about a lot more things.

 

[JJLiautaud]

they can't admit that maybe mixed-use isn't for everyone, or perhaps that zoning has a purpose

The one thing I agree with traffic troons is that zoning is pretty gay, it's your property one ought to be free to dispose of it how they please, now that they've in all likelihood abandoned that, it seems they've devolved into 100% unserious ass clowns.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

The one thing I agree with traffic troons is that zoning is pretty gay, it's your property one ought to be free to dispose of it how they please, now that they've in all likelihood abandoned that, it seems they've devolved into 100% unserious ass clowns.

Zoning is kinda gay, and you can get much of what people want from it via other methods.

The gayest part is it stays the same for centuries even if the town and the needs finagle mmm mmm McCabe.

I wanted to say change there but that’s better I guess, autocorrect.

The NY transit thing is lols. First, raise to $3 and don’t be gay. Second, tax payroll and make the rich may more for their bugman paradise. Third, fuck NY.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

I did respond to your thread, but thinking that it's free speech that it's okay for Marohn to be an engineer when he's not is akin to thinking it's okay when someone with a thick Indian accent calls you up and claims he's from Microsoft with instructions you need to follow.

Are you British by any chance?

Except there is when professional licenses are involved. I can tell you to take mercury, but I cannot tell you that I'm a doctor when I do it. I can tell you to build houses on balsa stilts, but I cannot tell you I'm a professional engineer and this would be totally safe when I do it. And it's the same deal with literally any trade that requires a license to practice, because fudging your credentials and dealing out bullshit advice can and does get people killed.

there has always been a fight between the 1st and fraud; the 1st amendment doesn't protect you from being charged with fraud or lying or various other things that are crimes.

what this dumbass nigger didn't realize is that "Engineer" is a licensed title in some states (just like hairdresser/barber). You can say you cut hair, you may even be able to cut people's hair for free, but you can't claim you're a barber unless you're currently licensed. and now he's doubling down repeatedly. he would have been better off with the "it's a parody" defense, probably

Now does anyone GIVE a shit most of the time? No, unless you're doing a fraud, but if you piss people off they're going to sit up and take notice.

people can and have gotten in trouble from "deception" when they DO HAVE a license or something and try to pretend it applies elsewhere - but the vast majority of the cases are "practicing without a license" fraud cases where money was changing hands

He also never worked as a civil engineer or anything related to roads, which is what he seems to be implying. Based on his LinkedIn, it was some sort of private engineering firm in the mid to late 1990s.

Even without the actual licensing requirements, at this rate, it's basically "I got a BS in state school, I worked in a lab once, I'm a scientist, don't question my bullshit".

If the guy is taking money by impersonating a job title or another person then I can understand saying he should be charged with fraud, but as far as I know from the OP, he's just some goober lying to support his 15 minute city nonsense, at that point he's expressing his opinion while lying about his background, which anybody could presumably check on public record since it's a licensed position.

As for your tech support scammer example @Xarpho's Return, the reason that person is committing fraud is because he's trying to steal money on false pretenses. Some schizo on the street saying they work for Microsoft when they don't isn't the same thing. What I'm getting at is the collection of words arranged in the particular order to make a false claim shouldn't be criminally punishable in and of itself, it's what crime the lie is in service of that's punishable, the lie is supporting evidence of the crime and not a crime unto itself.

This argument reminds me of the case of Wayne Nutt, a retired engineer who was threatened by the government for correcting an acting engineer's math which was published to public record, and I remember the uproar from this incident. Should Wayne Nutt go to jail because he wasn't licensed as an engineer while criticizing someone else's math or using his background as an industrial engineer as material testimony against flawed pipe designs? Wayne Nutt wasn't lying about anything, but under this same logic he should still face a fine, jail time or some other punishment because he spoke with authority over something he has material experience in without having a loisence.

 

[volatile]

The one thing that strikes me about that Amsterdam fetish is that people use bikes a lot because there is not other freaking way around that town!!

I wonder what these people's other opinions are...

Ah, pod-lovers.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

I wonder what these people's other opinions are...
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Ah, pod-lovers.

He has a point about bad times reinforcing the bad element, but that bad element isn't "toxic masculinity", that bad element is criminal activity like this.

And the social progress he's talking about is funding the police.

A thing to ask these people is where they think their food is going to come from, semi-trucks are still relevant for a reason, to the point tech companies want to replace the drivers with an AI for being too inefficient for need of sleep, food, water and a paycheck.

 

[singlele]

I don't know if this was mentioned earlier but NotJustBikes has a podcast now and Alan Fisher/Armchair Urbanist is a guest. This is the first I've heard of it.

 

[1988 prick]

/r/notjustbikes advocates for separating light commercial businesses from residential areas, aka Euclidian zoning:
View attachment 4871354
Article (Archive)
Amsterdam is banning delivery-only grocery stores because residents are annoyed at the large amount of bicycle traffic and noise they produce. Clearly, those people are wannabe suburbanites, because you can never have too many bikes and cities aren't loud, cars are.

Urbanists are annoyed by delivery cyclists:
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Just a reminder that these people usually deny that bicyclists can injure pedestrians.

We should ban commercial cyclists and grocery store delivery from urban centers because they are annoying:
View attachment 4871558
View attachment 4871370

Spoiler: NJB Video

Can Groceries Be Delivered TOO Quickly?!
View attachment 4871486

Spoiler: YouTube

Zoning can save us from the havoc caused by large numbers of fast cyclists!:
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View attachment 4871402
If they were in a "business park", they wouldn't be rapid delivery services. What happened to mixed-use zoning and having everything within 15 minutes?

Source (Archive)

I remember during the coof how troons are really grateful of grocery deliveries becoming a thing cuz they got a grocery list of mental issues and don't have to deal with their troon insecurities.

I honestly can't wait for the troons to find this and cause a fight.

 

[Lord Quackers]

He has a point about bad times reinforcing the bad element, but that bad element isn't "toxic masculinity", that bad element is criminal activity like this.

And the social progress he's talking about is funding the police.

A thing to ask these people is where they think their food is going to come from, semi-trucks are still relevant for a reason, to the point tech companies want to replace the drivers with an AI for being too inefficient for need of sleep, food, water and a paycheck.

Still baffles me that people there actually voted for this.