Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Elämällä on väliä]

guess it's possible a rod could be stored or manufactured incorrectly and be hazardous to the tank crew firing the round, but I assume the US would check the rounds before exporting them with their fancy antimatter based radiation detectors or whatever they have going on now.

DU is just waste from uranium enriching. It is tested before sending to ammo factory just not to waste good uranium for energy usage.

It is like scrap metal in junkyard. You can be pretty sure you will not get a fully functioning testarosa in shipment from junkyard.

 

[Snekposter]

Ill take toxic metals over radiation in terms of exposure and handling, aabestos as has already been said will fuck up both sides. That shouldve been dealt with already.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#Radiation_shielding
Its so non-radioactive the French of all people were using it as an enamel dye.
It was even used as a keel ballast in a racing yacht.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1119402/
TL;DR:

A second recent review of health effects of uranium authored by the US National Academy of Sciences Institutes of Medicine evaluated existing epidemiological studies more rigorously and gave relative weight to the studies' strengths and weaknesses in their assessments. Regarding the lung cancer risk, “the Committee concludes that there is limited/suggestive evidence of no association between exposure to uranium and lung cancer at cumulative internal dose levels lower than 200 mSv or 25 cGy.”3 This roughly corresponds to the burden occurring from a full year's exposure to a dusty indoor uranium workshop environment.8

Unless you're working non-stop in an unventilated, dusty workshop without any PPE you're not going to get cancer.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Russia bracing for massive attack by thousands of drones, seeks shotguns
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“Recently, it has become known that, in terms of drones, buyers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have bought up almost the entire market of FPV drone components in China, according to indirect estimates, by 50-100 thousand units,” writes Russian Engineer. “They have already trained more than a thousand operators of these models. They make them into kamikaze with a shaped charge warhead from RPG, or with a fragmentation grenade. And they have accumulated all this before the offensive.”

Many Ukrainian groups have been raising funds to build large numbers of such drones, like internet provocateurs NAFO, who are collecting funds for 240 attack drones for $700 each, and activist Serhii Sternenko, who is funding 500 drones at $350 apiece. Russian forces have also been using such drones, but complain about the difficulties with bureaucracy and lack of official support.
While there are certainly hundreds or even thousands of FPV attack drones in play, 50,000 would mean attacks on an unprecedented scale. As Russian Engineer notes, the need for one operator per drone, and the fact that there are only so many control channels available, means that there would only be a few drones per kilometer of front at a time – but waves of them could keep coming until they destroyed every target.

“Our EW [Electronic Warfare] installations have many drawbacks - there are not many of them, they are large, and are in themselves interesting targets. You need a lot of small EW installations so that they are everywhere,” writes Russian Engineer, noting that this would take time and money, which the Russians do not have. He also mentions the shortage of portable anti-drone guns which also jam the drones’ control signals.
Something more basic might be necessary.
“According to the feedback from the fighters, a shotgun helps specifically against such FPV, specifically the Saiga-12,” writes Russian Engineer. “They fly at low altitudes, and a good shooter may well shoot down this drone.”

The Saiga-12 is a Russian military shotgun, a semi-automatic 12-gauge design based on the Kalashnikov AK design. While a shooter with a steady nerve and good aim might be able to hit a small FPV drone coming in at 100 mph, this is a game where anything less than a perfect score is likely to mean instant death. No images of drones brought down by shotgun have yet appeared.
(The need for one controller per drone will limit the number of drones in each wave. This limit will end when Ukraine starts using swarming drones, which work together so one operator controls a whole swarm.)

Russian Engineer also talks about the value of camouflage and protective bunkers, and the limited range of the FPV drones – he suggests 5 kilometers – which means that equipment pulled back far enough from the front line should be safe. In a follow-up post this morning Russian Engineer mentions that he has received a number of suggestions which he will be passing on to the military.

He thinks the mass drone attack will be a one-off, and, as he sees it, Ukraine’s last chance to force negotiations before it crumbles (a view unlikely to be shared with observers outside Russia). However, the racing drone industry produces something like 100,000 FPV drones a month, which would cost something like $50 million in total. The last batch of military equipment alone from the U.S. was valued at $400m so hundreds of thousands more FPVs are affordable and probably available.

"Russian Engineer" milblog sperging
Telegram post (in Russian)

Returning to the theme of the swarm.

The discussion turned out to be very stormy, and many sensible ideas sounded. In general, it is necessary to check the results of this kind of brainstorming in practice, to consolidate through experiments in manuals and recommendations for the front. I will forward the selected proposals to my colleagues whom I know. The only thing that I will not voice the solutions that confirmed their effectiveness during the test, I think everyone understands why

A few more details, otherwise many literally cling to words, pulling out and interpreting in their own way.

Firstly, the reality is different from the idea of a swarm, from YouTube videos and art performances. The enemy will not concentrate everything in one area, because by doing so he will give out his direction of the main attack.
It is most likely that they will create a dozen directions, and up to 20-30 km wide. Roughly under 250 km front line. 5-6 operators per 1 km.

Secondly, the operator can control one drone, but this is a few minutes. How many drones can he send per day? Up to ten easily. Therefore, what is the reason for the ridiculous argument that at least 50k operators are needed for 100k drones, let's leave it to those who think so.
It is important for us to understand how many trained (this is an important nuance) operators are against us. And the number of drones is their ammunition load. Roughly speaking, you can consider them as "snipers" with a controlled "bullet".

Therefore, they calmly, five people per 1 km, distribute control channels, analog, digital, frequencies and, roughly speaking, work as a wave. 5 drones per 1 km one after another with an interval of a few minutes.

The whole danger is that with such a BC they can hang in the air for several days, and isolate the battlefield. Yes, with heavy use, the supplies will quickly run out, so they save them for the decisive blow, to exchange a bunch of soulless robots for the lives of our guys.

But not everything is bad, on our part there are some decisions that will reduce efficiency, plus the issue of the importance of shelters is also recognized. Therefore, many thanks to the readers who contribute to a constructive discussion, this is also an important element of our Victory.

Russian engineer

 

[RonPaul2008]

What do you think the "depleted" in "depleted uranium" means? I guess it's possible a rod could be stored or manufactured incorrectly and be hazardous to the tank crew firing the round, but I assume the US would check the rounds before exporting them with their fancy antimatter based isotope detectors or whatever they have going on now.

Depleted means .72 percent not nothing, and its properties are hazardous. Sure its a hazard just like tungsten or lead in the toxic sense, but its still uranium, so its dangerous on top of that. There arent many studies into its effects but there sure are a lot of gulf war patients.

 

[Racist Trash]

These are faces suffering nearly every battlefield hardship imaginable. Simultaneously.
After one year.
Winning!

Also, anyone want to go drone-fishing after the war?
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Wow all they would have to do is have 10 of these pools and rotate fishing in them every year, also that's just a lot of fish in general what are they eating?

 

[CuzinEd]

Found some interesting information on T-62's and how Russia basically lies about what they have and don't have.

I know the Soviets used T-55's T-62's and even T-72's in Afghanistan in the 80's. But that was against a bunch of rag tag guerillas. They are sending these tanks into Ukraine with Ukrainians trained in NATO tactics and equipped with new models of ATGM's. I can understand them being used in Afghanistan but not in Ukraine. Afghanistan was a low intensity conflict. Nothing like Ukraine. Though I know the NATO training the Ukrainians were given has them using a hybrid style warfare.

I guess Russia will be added back to the list of T-55/54 operators on Wikipedia.

They lied about scrapping their older tanks and they lied about the number of newer late Cold War tanks they had. At this point it's like if Russia's mouth is moving they are lying.

T-55s share a lot of parts (tracks, transmission and engine parts) with 62s and can be used for repairs. New parts for these tanks aren't produced anymore. Rubber/plastic parts, interestingly, are 3d-printed. Storage facilities do not have means to disassemble tanks, so they should be transported to repair factories first.
From the schizo perspective, 55s and 62s are the only tanks still carrying neutron protection. NUKES WHEN?

As an armament for assault SPGs, 100mm rifled cannon is unironically better than 115mm smoothbore that T-62 has.

Most modern tanks have NBC systems I imagine. That's Nuclear Biological and Chemical. I doubt they stopped using them.

next stage of cope is "they're being transported for export, not for use in war"
which might be true, might be false. it's certainly possible that some smaller country overseas is interested in purchasing old tanks like that for cheap, but it's impossible to prove or disprove because details about international arms deals like that are probably kept secret by the nations involved.

we'll only know for sure once they get spotted again - either on the battlefield in ukraine, or being unloaded at a port in venezuela or uganda.

When you start seeing videos and pictures if Ukrainian captured T-55's and 54's you will know. Maybe we will see some T-55/54 wrecks. T-55 turrets flying in the air.

Kidnapped Ukrainian children returned to their families. I've seen other video on social media, and the kids don't have nice things to say about their hosts. This is the best I could find now:

Depleted uranium is used as radiation shielding, that's how un-radioactive it is. The danger has always been toxicological, not radiological. If the Russians are worried about it, they can wear their leftover COVID N95s, or whatever masks they bought in Russia. Probably something like this:

I would doubt the Russians were kidnapping Ukrainian children and say it's BS but they have done stuff like this in the past. It's part of their russification ritual they do. It's how they take over a country or area. They run all the people out. Anyone who is left is considered an enemy combatant and they take the children back to Russia to be taught how to be Russians. They did it in Afghanistan. I know they did it in other places as well. Just Google russification. They have a history of pulling crap like that. So, it's not something you can easily deny.

This is all about Russia's Russification policy. Like I said, they have done it in the past. This isn't some unheard of thing.
Russification

 

[FunPosting101]

Russia sending T-55s/54s into Ukraine is even more solid proof that this war is going incredibly badly for them. Any claims to the contrary are just an example of blatant coping. I'm going to laugh my ass off if they eventually start using T-34/85s in any role at all in this war.

 

[CuzinEd]

Russia sending T-55s/54s into Ukraine is even more solid proof that this war is going incredibly badly for them. Any claims to the contrary is just blatant coping. I'm going to laugh my ass off if they eventually start using T-34/85s in any role at all in this war.

They should dust off the few T-10's they have and some IS-3's. I would like to see that.

They retired the T-10's in 1996. They have a little over 1,000 of them supposedly.

Do it Russia.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Wow all they would have to do is have 10 of these pools and rotate fishing in them every year, also that's just a lot of fish in general what are they eating?

They look like carp, so they'll eat damn near anything & can survive in filthy water with very little oxygen. We have shitloads of carp in our cattle/drainage ponds that are absolutely massive; surviving on nothing but bug larvae, snails, tadpoles, cow shit, and whatever else grows in them.

Last couple years when the drought got really bad & the water dropped to less than 8" deep, it turned into a solid, seething mass of muddy, stinking fish. The cranes & hawks loved it, so did the racoons & coyotes; but somehow the fish always come back. I'd say at that time, the average size of the carp in our ponds was probably 10-12", if not bigger; and definitely big enough to easily spot with a drone on a sunny day, filthy as that water is.

Hell, I might as well try flying my own drone over those ponds, once the weather clears up.

 

[Snekposter]

Russia sending T-55s/54s into Ukraine is even more solid proof that this war is going incredibly badly for them. Any claims to the contrary is just blatant coping. I'm going to laugh my ass off if they eventually start using T-34/85s in any role at all in this war.

Well, IIRC the only working T-34/85's are in North Korea. Even the Russians need to rent them out for victory day parades. So I doubt we'll ever see those on the front lines. Not because they'd never be that desperate, but because the GLORIOUS SYMBOL OF RUSSIAN VICTORY is too valuable as propaganda fodder to risk getting blown up in Ukraine. Same reason the rare few (working) T-14's they have are assigned to guard only the most vital military target in Russia: the Moscow parade grounds.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

At this point it's like if Russia's mouth is moving they are lying.

Sometimes they perform fellatio or anilingus on random chinka.

@Pocket Dragoon problem with drones is that not every drone is good enough to be used as kamikaze. Also: they must have proper ammo to make him a kamikaze. Hand grenade aren't enough, saddly.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

i'm not 100% sure but i believe that russia had its own version of lockdowns and vaccine mandates. don't know if they did things more or less heavy handed than the west.
instead of pfizer and moderna, they simply pushed their own homebrew vax made by a russian state owned research lab. whether that's more or less healthy is impossible to tell since russian studies and info about side effects on their own vax are just as untrustworthy as the burger cdc sucking big pharma cock.

They did, but sort of halfheartedly in a lot of places. In some regions it was impossible to even enter a grocery store without special gov app and a QR code in it indicating your vaccination, and for government workers & contractors/orgs with government ties (companies such as Gazprom and various factories) it was mandatory. There was a two-week lockdown as well, I remember how our city turned into a ghost town for that period.
My brother got fined for not wearing a mask by police as he was waiting for the bus to college in the morning, for example, had to appear in court for the hearing. There was a lot of retarded shit like everywhere else.

They just weren't as competent in enforcing it as say China, because Russia. It takes too much effort to maintain these policies. So now they just pretend covid doesn't exist, which is fine by me. Sadly, it's not as effective at killing old people as touted, otherwise a good chunk of vatniks would've been cleansed, but oh well.
@Pocket Dragoon
Drone warfare, expectations VS reality

I loved that game

Depleted means .72 percent not nothing, and its properties are hazardous. Sure its a hazard just like tungsten or lead in the toxic sense, but its still uranium, so its dangerous on top of that. There arent many studies into its effects but there sure are a lot of gulf war patients.

You do realize we're talking about shit meant to kill people in the first place?

 

[teriyakiburns]

Depleted means .72 percent not nothing, and its properties are hazardous. Sure its a hazard just like tungsten or lead in the toxic sense, but its still uranium, so its dangerous on top of that. There arent many studies into its effects but there sure are a lot of gulf war patients.

A bunch of bananas is more radioactive than a du round.

 

[Clownish]

Stolen Valor: The U.S. Volunteers in Ukraine Who Lie, Waste and Bicker

The New York Times wrote an article about the all the lying niggers.
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One of the best-known Americans on the battlefield is James Vasquez. Days after the invasion, Mr. Vasquez, a Connecticut home-improvement contractor, announced he was leaving for Ukraine. His local newspaper told the tale of a former U.S. Army staff sergeant who left behind his job and family and picked up a rifle and a rucksack on the front line.

Since then, he has posted battlefield videos online, at least once broadcasting his unit’s precise location to everyone, including the enemy. He used his story to solicit donations. “I was in Kuwait during Desert Storm, and I was in Iraq after 9/11,” Mr. Vasquez said in a fund-raising video. He added, “This is a whole different animal.”

Mr. Vasquez, in fact, was never deployed to Kuwait, Iraq or anywhere else, a Pentagon spokeswoman said. He specialized in fuel and electrical repairs. And he left the Army Reserve not as a sergeant as he claimed, but as a private first class, one of the Army’s lowest ranks.

 

[Koko Jambo]

Stolen Valor: The U.S. Volunteers in Ukraine Who Lie, Waste and Bicker

The New York Times wrote an article about the all the lying niggers.
Article Archive.

A former construction worker is hatching a plan to use fake passports to smuggle in fighters from Pakistan and Iran.

Sounds wise. Completely bonkers, that we have to obey "democratic rule of law" in the West and can't just recruit the lowlife niggers in our prison for our own Wagner group. Drop a bunch of Syrians at gunpoint in Bakhmut and let them hold the position with maxim guns. Why should 18 year old Ukrainian students waste their life to defend the European external borders while rapefugees can chill on NEET bucks? Fuck globohomo and all this law crap.

>muh penal battalions are not effective
just wait until the first few try to surrender to Wagner - the rest will fight for their lives

 

[not william stenchever]

Even in the ancient times you were more likely to die due to an arrow or rock to the face then being bested in mortal combat 1v1. The only difference between the Battle of Bakhmut and the Battle of Cannae is how far we can throw the rocks.

At least back at Cannae you'd most likely be able to see the guy that was about to kill you with a projectile. Now people can use magic rocks to end you. Drone corrected artillery fire is so effective that it terrifies me at a fundamental level.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

Why should 18 year old Ukrainian students waste their life to defend the European external borders while rapefugees can chill on NEET bucks?

Because it is a waste of equipment on wagnertard units. They have limited usage in rear dump area duties (if the duty is to rape or loot, but NATO didn't see a need to do that), but on frontline this units are absolute shit. Something between target for dronnies (if in defence) or to force enemy to use some small arms ammo (if attack).

 

[tulskij_tochnyj]

Most modern tanks have NBC systems I imagine. That's Nuclear Biological and Chemical. I doubt they stopped using them.

They have filters and positive internal pressure systems, but don't have polyethylene/paraffin lining that protects from neutron flux.

 

[Harvard Covington III]

NYT exposes massive, systemic fraud and corruption among “volunteers for Ukraine.” Large numbers of non-Ukrainians who should “not be allowed anywhere near the battlefield” are being given “ready access to American weapons.” Stolen valor, embezzled donations, and other forms of fraud are highly prevalent.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/25/world/europe/volunteers-us-ukraine-lies.html

Those who support the wise, judicious, and effective use of the scarce funds being allocated to Ukraine (very scarce indeed compared to the size of Putin’s war machine) should be unanimously horrified and revolted by these revelations. So many donations from so many naive, well-intended people …. Stolen. Wasted. Defrauded.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Those who support the wise, judicious, and effective use of the scarce funds being allocated to Ukraine (very scarce indeed compared to the size of Putin’s war machine)

lmao

should be unanimously horrified and revolted by these revelations. So many donations from so many naive, well-intended people …. Stolen. Wasted. Defrauded.

By "volunteers". Yes, it's shit and should be brought to light. However, unlike the experiences of a certain other belligerent in-theatre, it's not systemic and it's not an institutional issue at every level of the procurement chain. These people are, as I believe the Americans call them, carpetbaggers. Opportunists who float in to snatch what they can from the more deserving, before disappearing with their bags full of money. They aren't embedded into the military hierarchy. They aren't swanning around at the highest levels of government. They're con-men. Grifters. When they're caught, they get shot.